The antique and 'brocante' markets appear to be close to opening in the UK again and it seems that they're worried. All items will have to be declared individually. There is no exemption for second-hand goods.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/05/small-time-dealers-fear-brexit-could-decimate-antiques-trade-in-uk

Individuals will have a personal limit of around £400 I believe and it will be difficult for the authorities to check values.

Personally, I'm dreading having my first boot-full of old junk confiscated at Calais.

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I did mention ebay's new tax's in my original post, it may not be a coincidence that they appeared as the UK left the single market, isn't ebay registered in Luxembourg?

There are several large issues here which we will all have to come to terms with, quite a percentage of stalls at W&P, Netley, Beaulieu and Stafford are European so its quite possible that these events will be smaller from now on, and I imagine there will be an increase in events across Europe to compensate.

It will be interesting to see how it all settles down over time and after Covid19 of course.

Rob

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['I did mention ebay's new tax's in my original post, it may not be a coincidence that they appeared as the UK left the single market, isn't ebay registered in Luxembourg?...']

DOH!..I missed that, must have been reading it too quickly...Some clarification by e bay would be nice seeing as they're taking the money...Ian

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[' Starting 1 January 2021, eBay is required to collect VAT on certain orders delivered to UK addresses:
•Orders up to £135 sent from outside the UK
•Orders where the item is located in the UK, but the seller is not a UK seller...']

That could be it....Ian

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I bought something from America off ebay and ebay added the customs duty when I paid. I wasn't happy about this as most small value items go through without being charged.

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I've just bought something from here in the UK and no tax was added, so I was wrong its nothing to do with ebay being in Luxembourg, its just a coincidence that ebay has been made to collect revenue at this time.

Rob

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living in canada 20 mins from the US border here is what i have to contend with
1. buying from the UK, i dont pay VAT, i get the seller to list on the package that it is "motorcycle parts over 25yrs" so i dont pay duty although sometimes customs charge it anyway and i have to pay it to Fedex/canada post etc then reclaim it from the govt.
tax is always due but mostly they never charge it, its up to them i guess

2. buying from e bay in the US, if i have it sent to a shipping/recieving company on their side of the border then e.bay adds the US tax, i then cross the border to pick it up and when i cross back into Canada they collect the Canadian taxes/duty if they feel like it, mostly under $200 they let it slide, depends on: how you look, how they feel, which way the wind is blowing, what their spouse did last night, etc etc. they have guns and attitudes to go along with them.

3 buying from e-bay in the US and getting it shipped to Canada, ebay does not collect the tax they leave it up to customs again, mostly they dont charge.

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Hi Kevin

Do you have Auto jumbles, vehicle shows or swap meets where traders cross the border with stalls?

Rob

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Almost never, the few that there are just see Joe public going to look or buy stuff, it seems that the US customs are nice to their citizens going back with their bits but the Canadian customs not so much, most i think just want to avoid the hassle
Within a 2-3 hr drive either way i know of only 2 Cdn and 2 US yearly swap meets
i have about 30 Brit bikes and am so jealous of the whole vintage bike scene you enjoy in the UK, even the support getting rare parts made for example, it is so hard here to get a machine shop to make something for you, they only seem to want to make 900 aluminium brackets at a time, i recently found a large shop that will do anything i want and thats because the owner is from coventry and got his C&G their, of course it costs an arm and a leg, it seems that if you guys break a rocker arm on your 1914 Triumph then theres a guy in the next village that will whip one up for you lol
cheers
Kevin

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My pal tells me that if you have an ebay business account (which he does) ALL payments from sales will be paid directly into that account with no option to make a 'private' or 'personal' sale....When you take that money out of the account that becomes a business 'drawing' and it's all taxable as it would be with a business...He's unsure at this point whether he can have a non business account as well for his personal, non business sales...

Regarding the possibility of Eurojumbles and forgetting any Brexit related complications I wouldn't imagine there'll be much enthusiasm from the government for an influx of visitors from Europe with the present covid/vaccine situation in many countries...

In that regard I think 2022 is the more likely time for a resumption of something like a 'normal' situation..A number of events are pencilled in to be taking place after our restrictions end on June 21st. but it's anybodys guess what the attendances will be like...
Do I want to chance £240 for a stall at Stafford?...Unsure at the moment....Netley in September is cheap enough to be tsken as a nice weekend away without worrying too much about costs/sales and I'm planning to do that, along with Founders Day at Stanford Hall...Ian

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It would seem likely that most of those from mainland Europe of Autojumble-attending age will have had both their jabs and carry a certificate by late August. The numbers are quite small and in the scheme of things, our behaviour a little lower-risk than the crowds who get out of their heads in Ibiza.

Unless some changes are made to the trading agreement though, it doen't make much difference whether the problem arises this year or in 2022. Foreign traders and buyers are not likely to be attending in any numbers.

Whilst still living in the UK, I am booking all forth coming Elk Promotions jumbles here in the south east until end of July,

I will be at Kempton in June & july & founders day too

I have reserved 2 spaces in Stafford for July

that will me be more or less finished as a jumbler in the Uk as the uncertainty of bringing stuff over to do jumbles with from Ireland where I will be after July will be far too complicated from what I can make out. Speaking with 2 people I know not UK based who have attended events here for years, indicates that they will still travel but not as jumblers and only when the vaccine program in that country permits
there are some Euro based jumblers whose stuff we all buy and often wait for Stafford, netley or Beaulieu to meet with them, will not be travelling any longer I suspect

I personally have no issues with Jumbles in summer here - the general make up of people age wise attending such events will be, by and large fully vaccinated by the time June comes round - sensible behaviour of the public and attention of organisers minimising risks to covid transmission should be re-assuring.

Just my opinion on this, it may not match those of many, but I welcome any semblance to a form of normality and if that involves talking old bike rubbish in the middle of a field, then i'm up for it

hope to see some of you there
Jo'B

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I'm planning to be at Kempton and Founders Day in June...Unsure about Stafford at the moment....Ian

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I've booked a pitch at Shepton Mallet VMCC AJ in November and they have suggested that you may legally need a Covid passport to get in by then, so I went online and it took two minutes using my NHS number, it was free and it arrived a week later, simples.

I'm also planning a day trip to Beaulieu on the Saturday, apparently its going to be quite a bit smaller this year, which is more to do with Brexit than Covid.

Rob

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I'll be at Netley Marsh in September, Stafford in October and the VMCC event in November...Mortons are saying they have reasonable levels of bookings from Europe, but the would wouldn't they...?...I'll find out soon on that one...

One thing that is clear is that you can still get Covid even after two 'jabs', so a reasonably precautionary approach is still the 'modus operandi' it seems...

I have the card given to me by the NHS after my second jab and that is proof of vaccination...That should be enough to get me into the events above if proof is needed...When I booked my stall for Netley Marsh nothing was mentioned in this regard....Ian

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I have the little card too, but its not the recognised paper "passport", probably because you can fill the card in yourself and a large proportion of them haven't even got the name gap at the top filled in.

Chances are no one will ever ask to look at it but I would hate to be turned away after a long journey.

Rob

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Well because it only takes a few seconds and is free, I just ordered my passport letter. Although I did at first mistakenly quote my NI number instead of my NHS number. Ron

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The U.K. NHS letter is advisable & is better recognised than the card issued at the time of our jabs
It takes a few minutes to complete on line, it’s free & arrives within days
Despite the fact it’s not requested to date from show organisers - personally I think it best to have if in the case of requirement or sudden changes to criteria - it’s unlikely at this stage but with the wonderful leadership of government displayed so far - nothing is beyond them

On the Autojumble side - I have spoken to 3 well known continental traders & one from Southern Ireland - none are attending this year - covid bring an additional problem for Dutch traders due to quarantine requirements upon their return home - however the main reason is Brexit - with all 4 stating that unless a smooth passage through customs either side as pre Brexit are assured - their attendance at events such as this in the future will be as visitors & not traders
I have always traded well with Euro visitors at netley but suspect Morton’s projections are not in line with reality
Netley & Kempton park in September are most likely my last jumbles I will attend as a trader whilst living in the U.K. - after I relocate end of next month - I believe it’s impractical to attend due to customs both sides wanting to rip me a new ass every trip over & back

It remains to be seen if beaulieu can recover the yellow field in time due to the fall off in total no of euro traders / I hope it does as it’s possibly my favourite week end of the entire year - for buying, selling, swapping & meeting up for beer, grub & good company
Jo’b

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This is a 'belt and braces' measure that it is best to carry out...

I spoke to the VMCC today about Shepton Mallet and they advised me that currently there will be no requirement for a vaccine pass at the event as far as they (and the owners of the venue) are concerned...

However, if in the intervening time between now and the event the government changes the rules (law) to bring in such a requirement then the VMCC will obviously comply...The risk is, of course, that the rule change may come too close to the event to respond...
The VMCC also confirmed the vaccination card given at the time of the second jab won't pass muster in that case...In the event of such a law change every event in the country would be similarly affected, so I guess this is a must have item if you want to be sure of entry to anywhere at a later date...

Thanks for raising the issue Rob as I hadn't got wind of it...Ian

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Just had a final chance email to have a stall at Netley, it seems quite close to the event?

Does the chap in the black T shirt look familiar?

And I've also had an email about a Stratford upon Avon Auto Jumble on September 5th, quite handy if you are on your way home from Netley or Beaulieu with a van full of unsold stock, I wonder how many fresh stalls there will be there, I've not done this one is it any good?

Rob

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Hi Robb
That is Guy & Marnic from Belgium - photo from a few years back

I will be at netley on stand B17 near the top with my M20 stuff

I will go to beaulieu as a visitor this year after netley

Job

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I should get to Netley at about 1pm on Thursday...I'm not holding my breath for a record breaking event with all the current pressures and Netley has been struggling for a while now for various reasons...However, I like the venue, the atmosphere and I'm happy just to get out!...

I'm looking forward to meeting up with friends and immersing myself in bikes for a day or two....Ian

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Had a great day on Saturday at Beaulieu, it was a field down but there was still plenty there for my one day visit. Nice to see some friends for the fist time in two years and because of covid safety plans allowing more of the site to be available early I found the secret SOE museum which although shut has a Welbike in the window. A little disappointed with the main museum planting this monstrosity in front of the Triumph 3TW though.

Rob

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Can't say I think a Honda Pan European warrants being in a museum at all really, aren't they still in production?...It's not a particularly noteworthy or iconic machine either...

Netley Marsh was, as expected, relatively quiet taking everything into account...A few visitors from over the channel made the trip though apparently there was a lot of covid related paperwork etc. involved...

I had a very enjoyable show and met up again with few old friends and customers...The weather was kind, the atmosphere relaxed and I did quite well with sales...Also, I was after two particular parts for my new project and managed to find both, and at reasonable prices...All in all a good weekend...Next stop Stafford in October!...Ian

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Belgium had probably its first post-virus jumble today, at Wieze. A lot smaller and quieter than it used to be but there was some good WD stuff...only thing was that Lex beat me to it all....I passed on the nice 1937 WD16H engine with stamped census number..as the price was €800...

It was great to meet up with Lex, Nick, Bastiaan, Rob van den Brink, Marnic...most of them for the first time in almost two years...

As is usual with a Belgian jumble, the bars receive almost equal stand space to the traders...and I forgot to take any photos...