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Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

1. The Silence of the Lambs
2. Delicatessen
3. Thelma & Louise
4. The Commitments
5. Les amants du Pont-Neuf [The Lovers on the Bridge]
6. Fried Green Tomatoes

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

1. Délicatessen
2. The Silence of the lambs
3. Van Gogh
4. Tacones Lejanos
5. Tous les matins du monde
6. La belle noiseuse
7. Terminator 2
8. La Double Vie de véronique
9. My Own private Idaho

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

Same issue with my computer as last week, so you can still vote until Monday morning. I hope I can find time to watch another film; I simply cannot find the time to watch 4+ films in only 2 weeks.

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

Questions for Romain and other French cinephiles:

La Belle Noiseusse is my first Rivette. Where should I go next?

Also, if I was lukewarm on The Taste Of Others, should I see Let's Talk About The Rain (Parlez-moi de la pluie)?

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

First my own list, which is kinda pathetic, couldn't even come up with a proper top 10. Did manage to watch La Double Vie, but didn't really enjoy it.

1. Terminator 2: Judgement Day (James Cameron)
2. The Silence Of The Lambs (Jonathan Demme)
3. Thelma & Louise (Ridley Scott)
4. Raise The Red Lantern (Yimou Zhang)
5. Beauty And The Beast (Gary Trousdale / Kirk Wise)
6. JFK (Oliver Stone)
7. Hook (Steven Spielberg) (5 points)
8. La Double Vie de Véronique [The Double Life of Veronique] (Krzysztof Kieslowski) (4 points)

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

And the top 10, with Demme's masterpiece receiving at least 20 points from every voter except Greg and thus destroying the competition. Other than that, 1991 seems like a pretty good year for French cinema.

Title (Director) - Points/Votes/#1s
1. The Silence of the Lambs (Jonathan Demme) - 461/12/5
2. Dà Hóng Dēnglóng Gāogāo Guà [Raise the Red Lantern] (Zhang Yimou) - 234/7/2
3. Thelma & Louise (Ridley Scott) - 222/8/0
4. La Double Vie de Véronique [The Double Life of Veronique] (Krzysztof Kieslowski) - 164/6/0
5. Delicatessen (Jean-Pierre Jeunet) - 156/6/1
6. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (James Cameron) - 151/8/1
7. Les Amants du Pont-Neuf [The Lovers on the Bridge] (Leos Carax) - 141/6/1
8. Barton Fink (Joel Coen) - 140/8/0
9. La Belle Noiseuse (Jacques Rivette) - 125/4/1
10. JFK (Oliver Stone) - 99/6/0

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

BillAdama
Questions for Romain and other French cinephiles:

La Belle Noiseusse is my first Rivette. Where should I go next?

Also, if I was lukewarm on The Taste Of Others, should I see Let's Talk About The Rain (Parlez-moi de la pluie)?

"Parlez-moi de la pluie" is the worst film of Jaoui-Bacri for me. Not bad, but the worst.
"On connaît la chanson" et "Un air de famille" are the two other films I absolutly recommand.
You can also try "Cuisine et dépendance" and "Comme une image", who are good.
I'm not a specialist of Rivette. Except "La belle noiseuse" I just see "Jeanne La Pucelle (the two parts)" I really enjoy.

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

I have a question about JFK.

Is it worth seeing, even knowing it's a work of complete fiction that passes itself off as a historical document? Knowing that everything it says about the JFK murder is completely false? Is it something more than a trendy government conspiracy pic, and I'm missing something about it's appeal?

Right now I have it sort of mentally lumped in with the Dale Gribble-type "9/11 was an inside job" people.

Also, another question, regarding the 80's poll.

A) Is Berlin Alexanderplatz eligable?
B) Is anyone else voting for it? Should I devote 15 hours of my life to watching this?

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

BillAdama
I have a question about JFK.

Is it worth seeing, even knowing it's a work of complete fiction that passes itself off as a historical document? Knowing that everything it says about the JFK murder is completely false? Is it something more than a trendy government conspiracy pic, and I'm missing something about it's appeal?

Right now I have it sort of mentally lumped in with the Dale Gribble-type "9/11 was an inside job" people.

Also, another question, regarding the 80's poll.

A) Is Berlin Alexanderplatz eligable?
B) Is anyone else voting for it? Should I devote 15 hours of my life to watching this?


Well, 9/11 was an "inside job," though that somewhat simplifies the situation, and most of what JFK says about the assassination is true, but it's still not a great movie.

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

DavidIcke
BillAdama
I have a question about JFK.

Is it worth seeing, even knowing it's a work of complete fiction that passes itself off as a historical document? Knowing that everything it says about the JFK murder is completely false? Is it something more than a trendy government conspiracy pic, and I'm missing something about it's appeal?

Right now I have it sort of mentally lumped in with the Dale Gribble-type "9/11 was an inside job" people.

Also, another question, regarding the 80's poll.

A) Is Berlin Alexanderplatz eligable?
B) Is anyone else voting for it? Should I devote 15 hours of my life to watching this?


Well, 9/11 was an "inside job," though that somewhat simplifies the situation, and most of what JFK says about the assassination is true, but it's still not a great movie.


People who've actually studied the assassination say there's two things the movie got right.

1: The date of the assassination.
2: The identity of the man killed.

And if you honestly believe 9/11 was a false-flag attack, then you are simply ignoring evidence and believing whatever sounds the most conspiratorial. The Bush administration didn't have the competence to pull off such a massive coverup.

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

3: there were at least two snipers.

The Clay Shaw subplot however provides the usual homophobic eyewash made in Hollywood.

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

Well gee Capt. Adama, thanks for insulting my intelligence. Assuming you've studied the JFK assassination, as you've implied you have, I guess I would ask, preliminarily, how bullet casings, specifically CE-399, as cited in the Warren Commision Report, match the style of gun (I'm sure you know which) Oswald was purported to have used; second, how you would explain, or, I guess, disregard, the testimony of 56 witnesses who testified that gunshots were fired directly from the "grassy knoll", and finally, how it's possible that Executive Order 11110, which potentially could have crippled the Fed, ended up being "assassinated" in a similar fashion...which more or less brings us to 9/11, plus or minus a Gulf of Tonkin here and a Gulf War there...but I'll let you respond to all this before I get into all that "evidence" I've ignored. Thanks,

T.M.

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

BillAdama
I have a question about JFK.

Is it worth seeing,

Also, another question, regarding the 80's poll.

A) Is Berlin Alexanderplatz eligable?
B) Is anyone else voting for it? Should I devote 15 hours of my life to watching this?

I saw JFK when I was 13 and found it interesting and well made. I think I still would like it.

other questions:
A) I think BA should be eligable.
B) If we decide it's eligable, I'm definitely going to vote for it. And yes I think you (everyone) should watch it.

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

Thanks Petri, I'll make sure to see it. I think it might stream on Netflix.

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If you really want to play Dale Gribble about this, please start a different thread devoted to it instead of hijacking a film thread.

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

Yes, I would also say Berlin Alexanderplatz is eligible. I will at least try to watch it, but it's still quite far away.

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

Berlin Alexanderplatz was made for TV. If it is eligible, then Riget (The kingdom), and most importantly, Heimat, Die Zweite Heimat, and Die Dritte Heimat are too. Edgar Reitz spoke of the entire Heimat series as a series of "films".

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

I think what we decided upon in a previous discussion is that mini-series adapted for TV or shown in their entirety are eligible. Since Heimat was released and shown as a film, I'd say it is eligible. Same goes for Riget, as we've already decided in a previous topic. The Decalogue or Band of Brothers, on the other hand, were only ever aired as episodes, so we cannot vote for those.

I hadn't started collating for 1992 yet, but I'm reading through the lists now and I figure you'll want Die Zweite Heimat as your #1 for 1992?

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

BillAdama
Thanks Petri, I'll make sure to see it. I think it might stream on Netflix.

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If you really want to play Dale Gribble about this, please start a different thread devoted to it instead of hijacking a film thread.


Typical American response to any kind of "conspiracy theory": roll your eyes and evade. I would start another thread, but I can already tell you're not a worthy interlocutor. Enjoy your ignorance.

T.M.

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

Look, I'm sorry I insulted your intelligence. I'd love to have an in depth discussion about this, and I only do not because this is not the forum for it. I'm sure there's some circumstantial evidence supporting the conspiracies, but there's a direct path of hard physical evidence supporting the accepted versions. Eyewitness testimony has been proven to be unreliable, especially during an episode of mass panic, so if it contradicts the ballistics evidence, I'll go with the ballistics evidence. Bush's crime is exploiting a tragedy to promote his political agenda.

I would go more in depth, but this is a music forum, and I will not have this conversation here.

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

BillAdama
Look, I'm sorry I insulted your intelligence. I'd love to have an in depth discussion about this, and I only do not because this is not the forum for it. I'm sure there's some circumstantial evidence supporting the conspiracies, but there's a direct path of hard physical evidence supporting the accepted versions. Eyewitness testimony has been proven to be unreliable, especially during an episode of mass panic, so if it contradicts the ballistics evidence, I'll go with the ballistics evidence. Bush's crime is exploiting a tragedy to promote his political agenda.

I would go more in depth, but this is a music forum, and I will not have this conversation here.


I'll consider that a graceful bow-out, which is more than ok by me. I certainly don't want to force the issue on anyone. The forum is titled movies, politics, whatever, but if music is what we're here for, then let's talk music. The new Cathedral double disc? Don't waste your time. These guys were irrelevant back in '93, and they still are. Let's listen to meaningful metal and music in general!!

Re: Films of the '90s: 1991

Stephan
I hadn't started collating for 1992 yet, but I'm reading through the lists now and I figure you'll want Die Zweite Heimat as your #1 for 1992?

Yes!