Rob
The anti-rattle tin seems to have been a Coventry invention and through the earlier 1930s, both Coventry and Renold had their own tins...I had an idea that the Coventry chains were higher quality with a more complicated bush construction and the introduction of tins for both makes suggests that the chain had become identical and the difference was purely marketing.
This advert is from 1935.
It's clear from the illustrations in the Norton M&I Manual and the RE WD/C toolkit photo that these Renold tins were not the wartime type and the Flea illustration provides the definitive confirmation that up until mid-war, the dual make tin was in use.
I can find little evidence of when the red / grey tins were introduced. They seem to be wartime but must be quite late...perhaps a response to the shortages which reduced the number of permitted colours on screened tin plate designs.
This advert is from 1935.
It's clear from the illustrations in the Norton M&I Manual and the RE WD/C toolkit photo that these Renold tins were not the wartime type and the Flea illustration provides the definitive confirmation that up until mid-war, the dual make tin was in use.
I can find little evidence of when the red / grey tins were introduced. They seem to be wartime but must be quite late...perhaps a response to the shortages which reduced the number of permitted colours on screened tin plate designs.
Yes these type of tins were also used in the early BSA M20 toolkits. In the well known photo below you can just see the side of the early Renold tins with the chain No's. The later greyish/red Renold tins didn't have the chain No's printed on the side.
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Bastiaan
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Bastiaan, likewise the 1940 Norton early illustration. Clearly the combined tin.
The pre-war type mention Renolds on the end.
The Norton M&I Manual throws a spanner in the works as although the illustration clearly shows 'Chain Spare Parts' on the side and looks like the combined Renold / Coventry box, the top looks more like (but not 100%) the mid-thirties type...Norton's artists though were notoriously lazy when it came to updating drawings so I suspect that someone just did the minimum necessary.
The two sizes (primary and final) have the same length x breadth but height increases from .5" to .6" .
Here is the giant 1954 dated example which proves the webbing strapping was still in use post war.
The rotten example has a buckle on the end of the inner leather strap which seems odd, so perhaps this strap is a later replacement, also the outer leather strap is riveted on at the other end of the tool roll?
Rob
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That is the first 1 I see with a WW2 date! We now know for sure that these were used in 1944.
Brendan's photos:
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John did sent me some photos of the other tool roll he found. See photos below. I have seen this type of tool roll before and it is actually slightly larger compared to the khaki canvas one's. The tools fit properly in this tool roll, unlike the khaki one's.
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Bastiaan
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That is the first 1 I see with a WW2 date! We now know for sure that these were used in 1944.
Brendan's photos:
6704 is the LV6 reference for the replacement tool roll so this is definitely the generic wartime replacement roll...There is nothing in the contract documents to indicate that the M20s were supplied without toolkits so it's probably most likely that Ireland purchased surplus tool rolls too...but it is clear that one of these is never 'wrong' with an M20, even if it is not yet certain that it left the factory with such a roll.
Neil's newly acquired chain links. Ron
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Bastiaan
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Here you are Bastiaan, I have a few spare 🙂
A Sten gun sling is 3/4" webbing with different ends. Ron
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Bastiaan
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