Hi all been off line for some time been a bit busy
would any of you chaps be interested in a reme workshop DR display at W&P
I would like to see 50/60 DR bikes !!! one or two being built and completed
your thoughts Chaps
John

email (option): john@fieldandrurallife.com

Hi John

I like the idea of a motorcycle display area if it was situated somewhere nice, possible on one of the show days or perhaps all of them.

There would have to be roped off area's to stop the public fiddling with the bikes and I would be willing to take a turn at patrolling the area, perhaps on a shift system with the other bike owners.

A tent where our gear could be left would also be needed.

But I'm not into "living history", performing for the public is not my thing, and also I have other plans for most of my time at the show.

Rob

email (option): robmiller11(a)yahoo.co.uk

Hi John,

Sounds really good, I'm up for that, count me in. I've collected quite a few parts now, if I can collect the last few bits I wouldn't mind saving the project and building it there. ( I'd do a dry run at home first, then paint, obviously it would just be a case of assembly at the show ).

So waffling over, yes, count me in.

Ross

email (option): T58white@hotmail.com

Hi John

I think this in principle is a good move - the lads at Goodwood have put on a REME workshop in previous years & makes our warhorse hobby all a bit more interesting - especially for those attending & with an interest in general with motorcycles or jeeps

Sometimes our bikes although seen, are not so visible as they are dispersed throughout - I do know there was a small gathering in years past but not so many & this was a static display without a theme

Maybe John Tinley & Peter Brown could inform us of how they achieved this Goodwood display - to help this concept on its way

I'll volunteer my ride for a strip down & workshop refurb no probs 😀😀

just going to need to allocate holiday now !!

Jo'b

email (option): Jonnyob1@googlemail.com

How is your arm and your bike John?...Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

Hi Ian Arm not good still not riding yet ,,bike still broken

Hi Chaps thanks for your replies ,,,im with Rob this is not Living history more a gathering of Bikes on display ,,one or two being worked on ,, all in appropriate type clothing ,, ive WW2 tent that will fit the bill spot on
If we had others that would be good as long as ww2 type tent ,,,Bike runs also ,, Lets keep this simple please

John

email (option): john@shootingshow.co.uk

Chaps I am also looking for very large WW2 tents for displays
if you have any for sale please make contact

John

email (option): john@shootingshow.co.uk

Well good luck with this, John! I tried for the past three years to get a display like this off the ground at W &P and have now given up as I got insufficient support. Many people say they object to "paying to display" and will not attend this show except to trawl the stalls and at least one other objects to attending a show with Axis re-enactors. Still others just won't be organised or don't see the point. I thought it was worth a try and if people are not interested, well that's OK. I live close to W and P and wil be happy to help out........hope you can make it happen....it's a good idea. The NOBS display really comes the together just for the Goodwood Revival 3 day event ( this week!) and most of the folk involved (not all) are not interested in doing the same at War and Peace. Goodwood is a different beast of course to W and P, but in principle, it would not be hard to do something very similar at War and Peace, if you can get a core of half a dozen people to support it reliably. While I was having a go at it, we were starting to get a bit of a "British [vehicles] Corner" going, but again, that had fragile support and its natural that many folk want to camp with mates and keep their vehicle close by. Herding cats comes to mind! However, it would be good to place a display as you suggest among a grouping of British vehicles. The NOBS display has always used a British WW2 truck to "anchor" it but the space (and vehicles) available at W&P allow more scope.........DR section parked next to radio truck? The vehicle displays at W and P have always lacked coherence with just a jumble of types and nationalities according to who pegs out which bit of ground or arrives first. There are broad subdivisions according to era, but even that has been a bit hit and miss. Down to organisation of course. And MV owners don't like being organised! But maybe the new broom will provide more encouragement in this regard? Again, good luck and count me in to help.

email (option): Fergusanckorn@icloud.com

The truth is the vast majority like to attend events but don't want to do anything to make them happen or make any effort other than turning up...

Keep your ambitions modest, requiring the minimum number of people and you may get the support you need from the willing minority..Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

The NOBS have been putting on a comprehensive display at The Goodwood Revival for the last 8 years. It takes a lot of organising mainly on the part of Peter Brown and a number of us take along quite a lot of kit to make it look like an authentic field workshop. The big difference at Goodwood is that for doing this they supply us with free entry and camping passes as well as tickets for a free breakfast and a lunch bag. W&P want us to pay for the privilege of displaying our bikes. Perhaps if they were to change their attitude there might be more people to help out. Regards, John

Ferg, sorry I never supported your display, I did find it once a few years ago, but its about half a mile from where we camp in Kitcheners field.

So I suspect if this is going to work it will be down to location as much as anything else.

Rob

email (option): robmiller11(a)yahoo.co.uk

Thanks Chaps,,,,, keep the comments coming please ,,,,,I am taking Notes !!

Update from the ground so to speak Mick Wilson 514thQM with their GMC trucks very much on side they will be supplying a field work shop working on trucks during the show,,,, talk of a DUKW being worked on they are really making an effort
and going to put on a very large display

DR display ;- I will be leading from the front ,,,,,,,,yes I’ve the tent back drop plus associated items of interest to dress it like a field work shop SORTED ,,,,,I’ve 10 bikes on display ,,,Rex will lend me his Norton Big four sidecar unit ,,,, I do hope others wish to join in as there is no better sight LOTS of DR Bikes on display

The display will happen it could even be a case of jonnnnnnyyyy no mates sat on his own



Thanks All John

email (option): john@shootingshow.co.uk

I hope to be putting on a stall next year (ive bought enough there over the past 19 years, so time to sell a bit of it on!). Happy to bring my M20 and put it on the display lineup. (I won the bike award 2014 but this was never advertised!)
My only comment would be one of movement. Depending where the display is set up, I expect the bikes would have to be in position early and no movement till later on.(if you were taking them back each night to camping areas).
Richard

email (option): richardpurkiss@hotmail.com

I can advise a bit on location, etc at War & Peace having been there and done that, etc.. It depends on what type of display you want to put on. If it is to be firmly a static display showing, for example, REME workshop scene, then you can negotiate with the new organisers a location somewhere around the Grandstand or the reenactment area, the public hotspots, but you will likely face stiff competition. You would need lots of good stuff to dress up the set and at least three people on duty all day from Tuesday to Saturday, the new public open days. Less onerous and more flexible is if you set up a display in the WW2 vehicle area which is what I went for with the idea that people could more easily drive onto and off the display and use their bikes freely. Access on a bike in these areas is less restricted and its up to you who mans the display and when you arrive and depart ( unofficially!). Downside is that the footfall is lower, depending on weather. You would not need to pre book a place, just turn up early and peg out. Plus you can camp on the display. Altogether an easier option and the WW2 area is still reasonably close to the stalls and arena so people can take turns on the display and actually seeing the show. For any option, attendees will have to pay for camping and vehicle entry, unless you are a member of IMPS. JT and others feel this is wrong and compare it to Goodwood, but the show has always been as much for MV owners as the Public and these days it seems pretty good value for up to ten days camping with (now) good ablutions kept clean by the Gurkha team and access to a huge array of MVs plus hundreds of stalls. Anyhow, it takes a lot of money to put on and if attendees did not pay, it would not happen. Finally, I should add a caveat, that thus information is based on previous shows at Folkestone and it is possible that the new owner will make some changes. There is usually a briefing held in the New Year to advise regulars what is planned. Keep an eye on the W&P website.

email (option): Fergusanckorn@icloud.com

Hi All
I will be there camped with a club but if there was a bike display I would most likely be happy to put the M20 on display down there for a day or so.

email (option): martynhillyard@msn.com

John shouldn't have any trouble negotiating with the new show organiser for a good position Perhaps a good place would be in front of the grandstand on that lovely flat grass area which was used as a car park for post war civilian cars for the last two years?

Rob

email (option): robmiller11(a)yahoo.co.uk

I'm broadly in agreement with J.Tinley....If I was to attend W&P it's a 500 mile round trip which is undertaken at my own expense...as is the maintenance of my 'exhibit'...

As the public, stall holders, advertisers in the show guide and caterers are charged for being there I have always thought it wrong, at least under the previous regime, that vehicle exhibitors also had to pay...or at least pay so much...

Without the exhibitors there is no show, no customers for stall holders and nothing to cater for after all...

There aren't many businesses I know of...and it is a business, that can charge there customers and their suppliers...

I think exhibitors should, at worst, only be charged a nominal amount...Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

Ian, the MV owners are the customers and not the suppliers.......that is the point I was making. Now you either accept that or you don't, but as I said, the Show exists in its current form because of the charges imposed.

email (option): Fergusanckorn@icloud.com

'the MV owners are the customers and not the suppliers'...

That's not the way I see it...If I go there on my M20 I'm providing an exhibit that contributes towards making the show (and the money) for the organiser.

If he has enough people like me he can charge the public for the privilege of seeing the exhibits and the caterers for the right to feed the masses in attendance......

I get to sit in the field and look at the other exhibits as well...for a price

However, I'm one of the suppliers that provides the exhibits that make it all possible, not a customer....

Without the suppliers of MVs it would be an empty field..and a 'no show' in every sense.

What would happen if we all went as paying customers but didn't take the vehicles?....Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

John perhaps not the response you were hoping for but sort of inevitable with all discussions about the War & Peace show.

Now what about them Nazis everyone

email (option): robmiller11(a)yahoo.co.uk

Rob, When I along with my M20 where in Normandy 2014 there was a obvious absence of uniformed Nazis, either driving walking or generally strutting about the place,
I wonder why?
Perhaps those who dress up as Germans might learn something from the French and not forget why so many of our machines needed to be produced along with every other piece of equipment we now still have preserve/restore and use,
As a Ex Service man I certainly have no desire to dress in a German uniform. Or sit atop a Panzer.
Just my personal thoughts, brief rant over.

Jim (Per Mare Per Terram)

John , if you need a Bedford QL to dress up the WD bike seen I am in and we can bring are bikes also.

Guy

Answering Ian's point....."What would happen if we all went as paying customers but didn't take the vehicles?". Well of course there would be no show, but my point is that there would be no show if MVs and owners attended and did not pay.......or at least not a show of the size and quality of War and Peace. This discussion is relevant to the proposal to have a decent DR display because it signifies the lack of support that tends to be shown for doing anything at the Show, which I think is a great pity both for bike owners and attracting more people into the addiction! You can't force people to pay up and come or change their views on Axis reenactors or to make a bit of effort for a display if they do attend and that's the point where I gave up the effort! The Goodwood event is completely different......the NOBS come solely to provide the display , without which they could not attend "gratis" (not counting the sterling effort put in to keep it going). These things need to be borne in mind and probably underpin the advice given above......keep it simple!

email (option): Fergusanckorn@icloud.com

Ferg and others,Im part of the desert rats living history team, we won first place at combined opps last year and first place at the odyssey this year, we /I know how much effort it takes to put on a very good display, and as a founder imps member have been involved with many award wining vehicles and displays over the years, to be frank WandP is not what it was, and we as a group didn't attempt to put on a decent display this year, due mostly to a shortage of man power, holidays etc., I'm am perfectly happy to supply a few bikes as live nr Canterbury, so keep in touch, andrew

email (option): warbikesat geemale dot cmm,( think about this)

Andrew very kindly supported my first effort to get a display at War &Peace in 2013 with his M20 and huge stack of tyres! His comments flag up a problem in that the Show runs over 5 days which needs manpower resources. Odyssey and Combined Ops are weekends so easier to manage for those with day jobs. So you need to be realistic and practical or it will be hard to get sustained support. That's why I was quite keen in joining forces with a couple of four wheel MV groups and having a combined display so resources and time could be pooled. I think this is quite possible and could allow a DR display to be part of a larger group that maybe captures a campaign (eg Normandy) and/or a function (eg Signals). There are a couple of groups local to the Showground (always helps) that could be approached, for example. Just ideas and thoughts to kick around. Hope this helps.

email (option): Fergusanckorn@icloud.com

Hi All
Some very interesting comments one or two did make me smile


As a keen motorcyclist,,,,,, the DR motor cycle section at W&P 2016 I think is a must ,,,,,,, the show offers a wonderful selection of military vehicles yet very little in regards to DR Bikes

Interestingly ive been asked if this could be an addition to another display WHY not ?

It looks as if this thread is developing into the ones that wish to attend W&P and participate in developing a DR Bike section


Lets keep lines of comms open chaps all every interesting

John

email (option): john@shootingshow.co.uk

John, the penny just dropped that you ARE the new guv'nor of the W&P Show! Oh well, the comments made are at least honest! If you cannot get a DR display off the ground, then no-one can!! You must be used to herding cats.

email (option): Fergusanckorn@icloud.com

Hi Ferg

Its all very interesting and yes we will have a DR display 2016 ive received a great number of emails wishing to take part so I can report all very positive

John

email (option): john@fieldandrurallife.com

Hi john

It would great to see this happen

Judging by the posts so far - it seems positive

I hope I can be involved

Best regards

Job

email (option): Jonnyob1@googlemail.com

Hi John
Absolutely I will keep all in the loop ,,,,please give me some time to get things sorted and we can all come up with a plan that works for all concerned

PS I’ve just purchased U.S Army medium 32 x 16 tent That should be large enough to get us started


John

email (option): john@shootingshow.co.uk

Hi Chaps
Thanks to all that have emailed me

Quick update including myself we have 9 members wishing to display their bikes at W&P 2016

Its a good job we have a large tent with all the gear people are bringing ,,, THE bar has made me laugh,,,,, every good work shop should have a bar !! IT could be party time all WEEK



Bikes Total UK :- 15
Bike Total Europe :- 6

Running total 21


John

NO drinking & riding please you will fall off !!!

email (option): john@shootingshow.co.uk

Many thanks for your email

NEW total

UK Bikes :- 16

Europe bike :- 6

Running Total 22




john

email (option): john@shootingshow.co.uk

Hi guys,
Sorry, I've not read everything here, I just skipped past a lot down to the bottom where I could add a few words...

I run a WW2 RAF Living History Group here in Scotland.
We spend a few weekends during the summer months displaying within the Scottish boundaries, however, we have discussed betwen ourselves, about the possibility of going further afield.
The thing that stops us moving far is the cost of fuel - Scotland to South East England and back will not be cheap.
If event organisers want us to attend their show, we are happy to discuss with them... We are totally self sufficient, we even have our own generators, fire fighting equipment, safety certificates and PLI etc...
Anyone remotely interested is welcome to browse our website at www.638squadron.org to get a better idea of what we have available... Oh, you will also see at least TWO BSA WM20's in there ;-)

Best wishes
Ian

email (option): fozzie001@hotmail.com

Hi Chaps
Bike count to date

UK exhibitors Bike 16
European Exhibitors Bike 8

New Total 24

The mention of a bar within the DR Tent has brought about a barman !! with all the KIT


John

email (option): john@shootingshow.co.uk

Hi Paul
Many thanks for your email
Yours and your sons details have been added to the list along with both Bikes

Bike count to date chaps

UK Exhibitors Bikes 18
Euro Exhibitors bike 8

All ww2 issue LOOKING good

One of the team will be bring a wood burning stove for the Kettle :- Another is making the Bar :- Please please no one bring Karaoke



All the Best Chaps John

email (option): john@shootingshow.co.uk

Hi All

great to hear from all getting involved

bike count 18 brits 8 from over the pond

the brits have the first welbike

running total 27

Well are some of you re living your youth ,,,, I am not putting a ramp in the arena ,,,if I find any DR chaps attempting jumps you will be band to the tent and static display only LOL

Some great ideas chaps keep them coming

John

email (option): john@fieldandrurallife.com

Hi John,

I message you on the 8th of Sept, I just wanted to make sure you added me to the list and if you needed anymore details?

Kind regards

Ross

email (option): T58white@hotmail.com

I'd love to come and catch up with everyone, just emailed John to get on the list if poss.

FYI Jack is also organising another Armour & Embarkation in 2016 which is on the HMVF hope to get to that aswell, may be with the children for that if I can find the right GMC at the right money at the right time, we'll see..a chap has to have goals right.

email (option): kit247@hotmail.com

Hi Kit, I was told last week that Armour & Embarkation next year weren't accepting anymore soft skinned vehicles, Armour only. But I guess you would have to check with the organisers.

Rob

email (option): robmiller11(a)yahoo.co.uk

Ross & Kit

Hi Ross not received your email but Ive added you to my list ,,,,great to have you on board


Hi Kit long time no speak hope your are well ,, Ive added you to the list

To all that have an interest ,,,,Chaps thanks for all the positive input ,,,, we are working on the show layouts the WW2 area is growing like mad,,,,, its really going to be very special 2016 W&P ,,,,,, possibly the finest ww2 display for many years

The DR Bike section has its own very large WW2 tent as its base along with Dodge WC60 workshop the look and feel of the display is really coming along well

If you like WW2 TANKS ,,,,,,2016 will be your year as we have been promised some very interesting exhibits ,,,,, the dust removed and engines being fettled ,,yes they will be driving them around


New total
Uk Bikes 20 + 1 Welbike = 21

Over the pond 8

Total 29

John

email (option): john@shootingshow.co.uk

Fantastic , thank you very much John, looking forwards to it already :-) ,

Regards

Ross

email (option): T58white@hotmail.com

Hi Glenn
Many thanks for your email post war motorcycles are very welcome at W&P the new website goes live this week so booking in,,,,,, is no issue

I am sorry to say the display being discussed is for WW2 issue DR Bikes

I look forward to seeing you at W&P

John

email (option): john@fieldandrurallife.com

Hi Lex
Good to see you at Ciney and great news your Big four will be on display at the wd bike display during the War & Peace 2016 ,,, we are starting to get some real momentum with bikes being displayed

Hope you had a good Ciney ,,,, War & peace did very well ,, we had some very positive meetings with many old W&P exhibitors returning with new exhibits ,,, Its looking good

see you again soon Lex

kind regards John

email (option): john@fieldandrurallife.com

Yes John, nice to meet up again, will send you an email soon.

This is the sign I was talking about:

http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3155626639&frmid=16&msgid=1355305&cmd=show

Ciney was so-so, but sort of sold the Welbike.

Cheers,

Lex

email (option): welbike@welb***.net (it's the same, think about it!)

Lex
The sign is really nice ,,, it will look good with all the other items being brought along

good news re your welbike ,,, Ciney was very good for W&P ,,, its look as if we will need to attend on a regular basis

Good to catch up

John

email (option): john@shootingshow.co.uk