Almost ready with the Excel thread. Until then, here's the whole list:
(Note: I am going to send an Excel file for you to add your actual rankings to.)
21 Grams (Inarritu, 2003, USA)
25th Hour (Spike Lee, 2002, USA)
4 Luni, 3 Septamami si 2 Zile (4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days) (Mungiu, 2007, Romania)
(500) Days of Summer (Webb, 2009, USA)
Adaptation (Jonze, 2002, USA)
A History Of Violence (Cronenberg, 2005, USA)
A. I. (Spielberg, 2001, USA)
American Splendor (Berman/Pulcini, 2003, USA)
Amores Perros (Inarritu, 2000, Mexico)
A Serious Man (Coen, 2009, USA)
Babel (Inarritu, 2006, USA)
Before Sunset (Linklater, 2004, USA)
Bin-Jip (3-Iron) (Kim, 2004, South Korea)
Bom yeoreum gaeul gyeoul geurigo bom (Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter…and Spring) (Kim, 2003, South Korea)
Borat (Charles, 2006, USA)
Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee, 2005, USA)
Capote (Miller, 2005, USA)
Children Of Men (Cuaron, 2006, UK)
Cidade de Dues (City of God) (Meirelles/Lund, 2002, Brazil)
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Ang Lee, 2000, Taiwan)
Dancer In The Dark (Von Trier, 2000, USA)
Das Leben der Anderen (Donnersmarck, 2006, Germany)
Das Weise Band (The White Ribbon) (Haneke, 2009, Austria)
Der Untergang (Downfall) (Hirschbiegel, 2004, Germany)
District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009, USA)
Dogville (Von Trier, 2003, USA)
Donnie Darko (Kelly, 2001, USA)
Eastern Promises (Cronenberg, 2007, USA)
Entre les Murs (The Class) (Cantet, 2008, France)
El laberinto del fauno (Pan's Labyrinth) (Del Toro, 2006, Spain)
El Secrete de Sus Ojos (The Secret In Their Eyes) (Campanella, 2009, Argentina)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Gondry, 2004, USA)
Far From Heaven (Haynes, 2002, USA)
Gegen Die Wand (Head-On) (Akin, 2004, Germany)
Gomorrah (Garrone, 2008, Italy)
Gran Torino (Eastwood, 2008, USA)
Grizzly Man (Herzog, 2005, USA)
Ghost World (Zwigoff, 2001, USA)
Habla Con Ella (Talk To Her) (Almodovar, 2002, Spain)
I'm Not There (Raynes, 2007, USA)
Inglorious Bastards (Tarantino, 2009, USA)
Inside Man (Spike Lee, 2006, USA)
In The Mood For Love (Wong, 2000, Hong Kong)
Juno (Reitman, 2007, USA)
Lat den ratte komma in (Let The Right One In) (Alfredson, 2008, Sweden)
Kill Bill Vol 1 (Tarantino, 2003, USA)
Kill Bill Vol 2 (Tarantino, 2004, USA)
La Mala Educacion (Bad Education) (Almodovar, 2004, Spain)
La Scaphandre et le Papillion (The Diving Bell And The Butterfly) (Schnabel, 2007, France)
Le fabuleux destin d'Amelie Poulain (Amelie) (Jeunet, 2001, France)
Le Got Des Autres (The Taste Of Others) (Jaoui, 2000, France)
Le Meglio Gioventu (The Best Of Youth) (Giordana, 2003, Italy)
L'enfant (The Child) (Dardenne, 2005, Belgium)
Les Invasion Barbares (The Barbarian Invasions) (Arcand, 2003, France)
Letters From Iwo Jima (Eastwood, 2006, USA)
Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring (Jackson, 2001, USA)
Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers (Jackson, 2002, USA)
Lord Of The Rings: Return Of The King (Jackson, 2003, USA)
Lost In Translation (Coppola, 2003, USA)
Mary and Max (Elliot, 2009, Australia)
Memento (Nolan, 2000, USA)
Million Dollar Baby (Eastwood, 2004, USA)
Minority Report (Spielberg, 2002, USA)
Moon (Jones, 2009, UK)
Mullholland Drive (Lynch, 2001, USA)
Mystic River (Eastwood, 2003, USA)
No Country For Old Men (Coen, 2007, USA)
O Brother, Where Art Thou (Coen, 2000, USA)
Persepolis (Paronnaud/Satrapi, 2007, France)
Punch Drunk Love (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2002, USA)
Requiem For A Dream (Aronofsky, 2000, USA)
Sideways (Payne, 2004, USA)
Sin City (Miller/Rodriguez/Tarantino, 2005, USA)
Spirited Away (Miyazaki, 2001, Japan)
Superbad (Apatow, 2007, USA)
Thank You For Smoking (Reitman, 2005, USA)
The Bourne Identity (Liman, 2002, USA)
The Constant Gardener (Meirelles, 2005, UK)
The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button (Fincher, 2008, USA)
The Dark Knight (Nolan, 2008, USA)
The Departed (Scorcese, 2006, USA)
The Hurt Locker (Bigelow, 2008, USA)
The Incredibles (Bird, 2004, USA)
The Man Who Wasn't There (Coen, 2001, USA)
The Pianist (Polanski, 2002, Poland)
There Will Be Blood (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2007, USA)
The Royal Tenenbaums (Wes Anderson, 2001, USA)
The Squid And The Whale (Baumbach, 2005, USA)
The Wrestler (Aronofsky, 2008, USA)
Traffic (Sodenbergh, 2000, USA)
United 93 (Greengrass, 2006, USA)
Un Prophete (A Prophet) (Audiard, 2009, France)
Up (Docter/Peterson, 2009, USA)
Vals Im Bashir (Waltz With Bashir) (Folson, 2008, Israel)
V For Vendetta (McTeigue, 2005, USA)
Wall-E (Stanton, 2008, USA)
Yi Yi (A One And A Two) (Yang, 2000, Taiwan)
Y Tu Mama Tambien (Cuaron, 2001, Mexico)
Zodiac (Fincher, 2007, USA)
A few statistics. Breaking it down by country:
USA 65
France 7
UK 3
Spain 3
Germany 3
2 films: South Korea, Mexico, Taiwan
1 film: Argenttina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Hong Kong, Israel, Japan, Poland, Romania, Sweden
Directors with multiple films:
4: Coen, Eastwood
3+: Tarantino
3: Inarritu, Jackson
2: Almodovar, P T Anderson, Aronofsky, Cronenberg, Cuaron, Fincher, Kim, S Lee, A Lee, Meirelles, Nolan, Reitman, Spielberg, Von Trier
Looks like I was incorrect about the Coens being the only directors with 4 films.
All I have left to watch is Inside Man which I'm halfway through, L'enfant, Mary and Max and maybe Benjamin Button and Superbad.
Since Benjamin Button is going to be available instantly on Netflix, that greatly increases my odds of watching it. And I just realized Fight Club was by Fincher too, so now I know there's a film by him I like. Zodiac was okay, anyway. I guess my problem with it was it tried to be a historical drama and a slasher film at the same time, and that caused it to lack narrative focus. That and I felt the murder scenes were a little too drawn out and voyeuristic.
Why not take this month to watch some of those films instead of voting on the first day?
Also, the missing film is Little Miss Sunshine.
I saw El secrete de sus Ojos last week. I don't think I have enough time to see more than a couple this month.
And although I want to watch quite some of them, I will wait a bit longer, until the 2009 films are cheaper to rent. :) Money and time, the usual problems.
And if I actually will watch one of the films, I will add that one in the excel-list. I guess that counts as the official vote. This way I at least won't forget to vote.
Yes, I left out Little Miss Sunshine. I actually noticed that mistake for the sheet I was working on but forgot to add it to the list I copy/pasted here.
When I saw 5 responses I expected people to be calling me on getting some of the countries of origin wrong.
How do people get all those images they use in other polls? Do they steal them from RYM and put them up on a website somewhere or just pillage the web for clips?
Gillingham: I've taken the liberty to edit your post for you, hope you don't mind. BillAdama will indubitably post the individual lists for everyone to peruse, but we've always done the final lists in secret so as to keep the outcome somewhat of a surprise.
BillAdama: Usually just random images through Google.
Indeed. Also every entry will have lists of who put them in their top and bottom ten, plus there will be an option for comments.
Plus, I thought I'd do an extra chart, and include an exposure-adjusted ranking in addition to the normal ranking. That is, for each film, for the ballots that listed it, figure out the average difference between the ranking it got and the points it would have gotten if unranked. Then, add that amount of points times the number of ballots that didn't list it. That way, we find out which films are more underexposed.
But, for this I won't make it a hard deadline. If it reaches midnight on September 30, and somebody says "Oops, I forgot to make it, can I get it in tomorrow?" That will be fine.
I won't have time to watch the films of the 100 which I haven't already watched, but have voted in most of the year brackets. Is it worth me making a ballot?
I won't have time to watch the films of the 100 which I haven't already watched, but have voted in most of the year brackets. Is it worth me making a ballot?
Well it should be your pleasure, not a duty !
I only have seen 37 movies so far, I aim at reaching 50 before my holidays. I don't exactly know which one to watch first (except for a few that I wanted to see for a long time)... I will avoid Almodovar since I really hated the one I saw, even though it means that my ballot will give his other movies as much points as movies in the middle of my list which I would probably like better... but that's the rule !
I won't have time to watch the films of the 100 which I haven't already watched, but have voted in most of the year brackets. Is it worth me making a ballot?
Well it should be your pleasure, not a duty !
I only have seen 37 movies so far, I aim at reaching 50 before my holidays. I don't exactly know which one to watch first (except for a few that I wanted to see for a long time)... I will avoid Almodovar since I really hated the one I saw, even though it means that my ballot will give his other movies as much points as movies in the middle of my list which I would probably like better... but that's the rule !
Nassim, don't get me wrong, it certainly will be my pleasure to make a list. I'm just looking at it from the point of view of people who seem to know a lot more about films of the 2000s than me. I'm scared that my ranking will be distorted so much by the fact that I've only seen 31 of the 100. But if everyone's fine with that, that's great by me!
The beautiful thing about the formula we're using is that it doesn't penalize films you haven't seen too much. Your favorites will get a lot of points, but the last half of your list will get less points than the ones you haven't seen.
Hey Stephan, how soon are you thinking of starting the 90's poll? I'm thinking I should get a head start on the watching, if it's soon after the conclusion of this poll.
I should probably start compiling a list.
@Nassim: Which Almodovar did you see? If it's Talk To Her, don't bother with Bad Education. But if it's Bad Education, you might still like Talk To Her. It's far better and more accessible. (In fact, I would have much rather qualified Broken Embraces or Volver than Bad Education.)
@Nassim: Which Almodovar did you see? If it's Talk To Her, don't bother with Bad Education. But if it's Bad Education, you might still like Talk To Her. It's far better and more accessible. (In fact, I would have much rather qualified Broken Embraces or Volver than Bad Education.)
Quite true. I don't think La Mala Educacion is a typical Almodovar film, while Hable con Ella, Volver and Los Abrazos Rotos definitely are.
Yeah, I was thinking we could start pretty much immediately unless someone objects. I am considering extending the periods to three weeks though, because I can imagine people have seen fewer films from the '90s.
I wouldn't necessarily assume that. *I've* seen a lot less movies from the 90s, but I have a feeling particularly some of the older European voters have seen more.
Anyone have strong recommendations to make? At this point the only ones I'm sure I want to see are The Thin Red Line and Satantango, and the only ones I know I'm not willing to watch are Titanic and JFK.
Speaking of which, does anybody know a reasonably priced way to see Satantango without having to spend two weeks of Netflix queue on it?
I've seen La Mala Educacion indeed, and I'm pretty sure it will end at the bottom of my list...
I might watch Habla Con Ella someday, but it won't be my priority : I only have 2 weeks left to see as much movies as I can, I'm on work trip 3 days among those 2 weeks and I've only seen 40 movies of the list so far !
I personally wasn't that impressed by Satantango, although it is kind of impressive that it managed not to entirely bore me to death in those 7 hours. No idea where to get it other than just downloading it, though.
Thinking of the nineties, 2 TV series spring to mind: "The Kingdom" by Lars von Trier, and especially "Die Zweite Heimat" by Edgar Reitz; other than that the movie "Festen" by Thomas Vinterberg
Fargo and Magnolia are excellent, I only didn't mention them because I've already seen them. In fact, I would speculate that Coen Brothers will once again be the most nominated directors. It's amazing how consistent they manage to be.
If I was making recommendations for films I'd already seen, I'd say:
Paris, Texas
Chungking Express
Red/Blue (Three Colors Trilogy)
All About My Mother
Does anyone know where I can see Breaking The Waves or Puppetmaster? These are two films high on my list that aren't on Netflix. Not to mention stuff by Kiarostami or Bartas, two directors I'm very interested in who barely have anything on Netflix.
Other than researching which films on my list stream instantly on Netflix, I'm trying to build a 1990 list. I'm thinking Dances With Wolves and Edward Scissorhands should be in the 'Only see if they qualify' category. (Besides, I already saw the 3d sequel to Dances!)
Besides the obvious ones such as Schindler's List, The Shawshank Redemption, American Beauty, The Usual Suspects, Fight Club and Goodfellas, I also really love Léon (#2 of all-time), La Vita È Bella, and The Straight Story.
With regards to mini-series, Le Comte de Monte Cristo by Josée Dayan is awesome and will definitely feature in my top 10 for 1998. The only other foreign film I really enjoyed from the '90s is Chungking Express, so yeah, a lot of gaps in my film knowledge for the '90s.
Does anyone know where I can see Breaking The Waves or Puppetmaster? These are two films high on my list that aren't on Netflix. Not to mention stuff by Kiarostami or Bartas, two directors I'm very interested in who barely have anything on Netflix.
Other than researching which films on my list stream instantly on Netflix, I'm trying to build a 1990 list. I'm thinking Dances With Wolves and Edward Scissorhands should be in the 'Only see if they qualify' category. (Besides, I already saw the 3d sequel to Dances!)
I don't know where you live, but don't you have a descent video rental store in the neighborhood? Any bigger city will definitely have one.
Probably you've already considered this, but still...
Oh, yes. They are those things having going out of business sales. I seem to recall them once providing other services.
There's Barnes and Nobles, Newbury Comics, FYE, and Borders, but none are cheaper than shopping used on Amazon, and if I'm going to be bulk-watching movies, that isn't an option with my current income.
Anyone have strong recommendations to make? At this point the only ones I'm sure I want to see are The Thin Red Line and Satantango, and the only ones I know I'm not willing to watch are Titanic and JFK.
"Festen" of course. It's my favorite by far, fot the 90's films !
Apparently Paris Texas is 1984. For some reason I thought it was 1991. I'll just have to wait nine or ten months to vote for it.
I'm having trouble finding films that jump out as ones I need to see other than people's recommendations and directors I'm already familiar with, so I think I'll wait for the actual votes to decide what to see.
Favourites from the '90s that everybody haven't already seen:
Festen [The Celebration] (looks like it's going to do very well in our poll!)
Black Cat, White Cat
Fucking Åmål [Show Me Love]
Une liaison pornographique [An Affair of Love]
Eat Drink Man Woman
Leaving Las Vegas
Sling Blade
Dead Man Walking
Delicatessen
At the moment I am looking for films from 1990 in particular, because I haven't seen very many films from that year.
Any recommendations?
Well everybody likes "Goodfellas"
"Edward Scissorhands" is probably Tim Burton's best movie
"Jacob's Ladder" was very enjoyable at the time, haven't seen it since
"Awakenings" is a very well acted movie especially by Robert De Niro
"le mari de la coiffeuse" is a very sensual movie
"Ju dou" was the "movie of the year" at the time, but I haven't seen it since
The only recommendation I can make that isn't obvious or a mainstream action film is Close-Up.
I've got Ju Dou, Miller's Crossing, The Grifters, Wild At Heart all queued up on Netflix, plus I'll add anything that more than one person ranks rather high.
If mainstream action films are your bag, check out Total Recall, Back to the Future 3 or Die Hard 2. Great year for popcorn action.
In French films, I quickly recommend (with my notation)
Cyrano De Bergerac 20/20
Van Gogh 14/20
Monsieur Hire 14/20
La gloire de mon père 17/20
Le chateau de ma mère 17/20
Le mari de la coiffeuse 15/20
Tous les matins du monde 17/20
La reine Margot 16/20
Les roseaux sauvages 18/20
Nikita 17/20
Tatie Danielle 14/20
Germinal 16/20
Ma saison préférée 15/20
Léon 15/20
Le péril Jeune 17/20
La Haine 19/20
La cité des enfants perdus 17/20
Délicatessen 17/20
Ridicule 16/20
Un air de famille 19/20
La cérémonie 18/20
Microcosmos 13/20
Les voleurs 17/20
On connaît la chanson 20/20
Le cinquième élément 14/20
Marius et Jeanette 17/20
Western 15/20
La vie rêvée des anges 18/20
Indochine 16/20
l 627 14/20
La belle noiseuse 13/20
Un coeur en hiver 17/20
Trois couleurs : Bleu 18/20
Trois couleurs : Blanc 17/20
Trois couleurs : Rouge 15/20
Les patriotes 13/20
Mina Tannenbaum 14/20
L'appât 12/20
Chacun cherche son chat 13/20
Le bonheur est dans le pré 15/20
Assassin(s) 13/20
Bernie 15/20
Ceux qui m'aiment prendront le train 16/20
Le dîner de cons 15/20
Vénus Beauté (institut) 14/20
La bûche 17/20
LA parenthèse enchantée 12/20
MA petite entreprise 13/20
I just saw Ju Dou. I liked it a lot. It's thematically similar to Raise the Red Lantern. I suppose Zhang was really into showing how women were seen as having no identity apart from their husbands' in the 90s. The one thing about the movie I don't get is the behavior of the child. I suppose it's supposed to be symbolic of the judgment of society.
Looking at his list of movies I think he's going to be a bigger presence in the 90's poll than the 00's.
Speaking of Zhang Yimou, can anyone give me an opinion on A Woman, A Gun, and A Noodle Shop? It's getting mixed reviews, and I'm concerned it'll spoil the plot of Blood Simple.
@Romain
None of Resnais' 90's stuff seems to be available in this country.
@Romain
None of Resnais' 90's stuff seems to be available in this country.
Oooooh, what a shame. "On connait la chanson" is a wonderful film, touching and funny, with the scenario of the Bacri and Jaoui couple.
In addition, there are lots of songs, integrated in the film.
Speaking of Zhang Yimou, can anyone give me an opinion on A Woman, A Gun, and A Noodle Shop? It's getting mixed reviews, and I'm concerned it'll spoil the plot of Blood Simple.
A Woman, A Gun, and A Noodle Shop is one of the worst movies of the year (and I think Blood Simple is the best movie of 1984). If you haven't seen Blood Simple DON'T watch aWaGAaNS (haha what an abbreviation).
Shouldn't we start a new thread to recommnedations of 90's poll?
I have seen 98 of the finalists of our poll. I've been very busy lately so I haven't got time to watch movies (and especially the missed finalists) as much as usual in this month. I have two jobs and now is film festival time (I watched seven movies in last weeekend and now I have one or two movies every day after work). Maybe I have time to watch I'm Not There (I can get DVD) and Le Meglio Gioventu (The Best Of Youth) next week.
With one week left to submit ballots, I have received them from the following:
Greg, Romain, Guy, myself.
With only four ballots in, there's already a film with a significant lead. There's also one film that's appeared in two top tens and two bottom tens. (And with this formula, that puts it in 15th place.)
With one week left to submit ballots, I have received them from the following:
Greg, Romain, Guy, myself.
With only four ballots in, there's already a film with a significant lead. There's also one film that's appeared in two top tens and two bottom tens. (And with this formula, that puts it in 15th place.)
It's not good because some films I put on the bottom are films I really hate (3 or 4).
I have now received ballots from Antonious, Gillingham, Michel, and Nassim.
Right now it seems to be between three films for the #1 spot. A few predictable ones in the top ten or twenty, a few not predictable ones. There's at least four more ballots I'd be surprised not to get (Stephan, Henrik, Petri, Harold), so there's still plenty of time for massive changes.
@Romain: The way it is, a high vote outweighs a low vote by about five times. Maybe that's a bit much, but I think it's a very good idea to have the high votes outbalance the low votes. I'd rather have my favorites do well than my least favorites do badly, and it also discourages strategic votes ("I like movie A but I'd like movie B to win, and A is it's best competition, so I'll put A in last.").
Got my list wrapped up, but I still have two films to watch (Le Goût Des Autres and Gegen Die Wand) for which I'll hopefully find some time the next two days. Either way, you'll receive my list on the 30th.
I have now received ballots from Harold Wexler and nj.
Voting closes tomorrow at the end of the day. I will continue to accept ballots until I post the first results, but I'm eager to start rolling them out, so that will probably happen earlyish on October 1st.
So if anyone needs a one or two day extension, now's the time to ask. If you are very short on time and have absolutely no time to fill out the excel sheet, and you absolutely must, it's okay to just mail me the list shorthand. Just, that would make processing your vote take a lot more time on my end.
Also, can I get a breakdown of the continent of residence of the voters? I think I'm also going to break down American votes versus European votes. I *think* it's only me, Guy, Harold, and Greg America and everybody else Europe, but I'm not sure about half of them.
I’m British, so European. I know, that means I’ve posted ridiculously late on a few occasions, but it was my summer holiday and The Simpsons poll had to get done!
Finally sent in my list, would've been better for Le Goût Des Autres if I hadn't seen it, but oh well.
These 100 films make an excellent example of why films are still great in the '00s. I would rate all films until 80 with an 8.0/10, or very good, rating. And there are only a handful of films on the list I really didn't enjoy.
I'm very curious as to the results, one thing that might be interesting to mention during the unveiling is the place the films occupied in the top 10 of its particular year.