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I have been thinking about a divisions game for a long time. I won't have time to run one in a larger scale, but I will set up a small one here and if there's any further interest in this then maybe someone else would like to take over.
My idea is that to have an "AM league" with several divisions of xxx artists, albums or songs in each division. The division structure could be for example linear (divisions 1, 2, 3, etc) or pyramid-shaped (divisions 1, 2:1, 2:2, 3:1, 3:2, 3:3, 3:4, etc.).
I will try a small-scale pyramid-shaped game here, with 4 artists in each division, using the AM rank as seed. The winner of a division would move up one division for the next season, the second would stay in the same division and the last two would move down one division.
Sorry if you feel that this game interfere with all the others. This should just be considered as a test, probably just one season.
Here are the artists in each division. You just rank them the way you like and give them points from 4 to 1. The points will be summed up when the season is over, let's say at the end of next Thursday, June 16th.
Division 1
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Bob Dylan
David Bowie
Division 2:1
Led Zeppelin
Bruce Springsteen
The Who
The Beach Boys
Division 2:2
Radiohead
Prince
Elvis Presley
Jimi Hendrix
Division 3:1
The Velvet Underground
Stevie Wonder
Pink Floyd
The Byrds
Division 3:2
Marvin Gaye
Nirvana
Bob Marley
Van Morrison
Division 3:3
R.E.M.
Neil Young
Elvis Costello
Aretha Franklin
Division 3:4
U2
The Clash
The Smiths
Talking Heads
If anyone have any ideas how this could be made better that's great. For example, is there a way lesser-known artists could be included with a reasonable size of the game?
My rankings
Division 1
4p The Beatles
3p David Bowie
2p The Rolling Stones
1p Bob Dylan
Division 2:1
4p Bruce Springsteen
3p The Beach Boys
2p Led Zeppelin
1p The Who
Division 2:2
4p Prince
3p Radiohead
2p Jimi Hendrix
1p Elvis Presley
Division 3:1
4p Pink Floyd
3p Stevie Wonder
2p The Velvet Underground
1p The Byrds
Division 3:2
4p Bob Marley
3p Marvin Gaye
2p Nirvana
1p Van Morrison
Division 3:3
4p Neil Young
3p Elvis Costello
2p R.E.M.
1p Aretha Franklin
(extremely close between 3 to 1 points)
Division 3:4
4p U2
3p The Smiths
2p Talking Heads
1p The Clash
Division 1
4p The Beatles
3p Bob Dylan
2p David Bowie
1p The Rolling Stones
Division 2:1
4p Bruce Springsteen
3p The Beach Boys
2p The Who
1p Led Zeppelin
Division 2:2
4p Radiohead
3p Prince
2p Elvis Presley
1p Jimi Hendrix
Division 3:1
4p The Velvet Underground
3p Stevie Wonder
2p The Byrds
1p Pink Floyd
Division 3:2
4p Nirvana
3p Bob Marley
2p Van Morrison
1p Marvin Gaye
Division 3:3
4p R.E.M.
3p Neil Young
2p Elvis Costello
1p Aretha Franklin
Division 3:4
4p U2
3p The Smiths
2p Talking Heads
1p The Clash
Division 1
4p David Bowie (in my top 5)
3p The Beatles (in my top 5)
2p The Rolling Stones (in my top 10)
1p Bob Dylan
Division 2:1
4p Led Zeppelin
3p The Who
2p The Beach Boys
1p Bruce Springsteen
Division 2:2
4p Prince (in my top 5)
3p Jimi Hendrix (in my top 10)
2p Radiohead
1p Elvis Presley
Division 3:1
4p The Velvet Underground (in my top 10)
3p Stevie Wonder (in my top 10)
2p Pink Floyd
1p The Byrds
The only Division with only artist I love.
Division 3:2
4p Marvin Gaye
3p Bob Marley
2p Nirvana
1p Van Morrison
Division 3:3
4p Elvis Costello
3p Aretha Franklin
2p Neil Young
1p R.E.M.
Division 3:4
4p U2
3p The Clash
2p Talking Heads
1p The Smiths
Fun diversion! In addition to points, I'll say where I feel each artist would be in my personal list in terms of positive and negative divisions:
Division 1/-1: Top 1-4/Bottom 1-4 all-time
Division 2/-2: Top 5-12/Bottom 5-12
Division 3/-3: Top 13-28/Bottom 13-28
Division 4/-4: Top 29-60/Bottom 29-60
etc.
So positive divisions mean that I have some degree of enjoyment of an artist, while negative divisions mean that my feeling for the artist is mostly negative. Values close to 0 are most extreme.
Division 1
4pt David Bowie (Division 2)
3pt The Rolling Stones (Division 8)
2pt Bob Dylan (Division 9)
1pt The Beatles (Division -4)
Division 2:1
4pt The Beach Boys (Division 6)
3pt Bruce Springsteen (Division 8)
2pt Led Zeppelin (Division -5)
1pt The Who (Division -4)
Division 2:2
4pt Prince (Division 1)
3pt Jimi Hendrix (Division 5)
2pt Radiohead (Division 5)
1pt Elvis Presley (Division -7)
Division 3:1
4pt Stevie Wonder (Division 3)
3pt The Velvet Underground (Division 3)
2pt The Byrds (Division -7)
1pt Pink Floyd (Division -4)
Division 3:2
4pt Nirvana (Division 5)
3pt Marvin Gaye (Division 7)
2pt Van Morrison (Division -8)
1pt Bob Marley (Division -5)
Division 3:3
4pt Elvis Costello (Division 5)
3pt Neil Young (Division -9)
2pt Aretha Franklin (Division -7)
1pt R.E.M. (Division -7)
Division 3:4
4pt The Smiths (Division 3)
3pt Talking Heads (Division 4)
2pt U2 (Division 4)
1pt The Clash (Division 5)
Division 1
The Rolling Stones
David Bowie
Bob Dylan
The Beatles
Division 2:1
Bruce Springsteen
Led Zeppelin
The Beach Boys
The Who
Division 2:2
Elvis Presley
Prince
Jimi Hendrix
Radiohead
Division 3:1
Pink Floyd
The Byrds
Stevie Wonder
The Velvet Underground
Division 3:2
Van Morrison
Bob Marley
Marvin Gaye
Nirvana
Division 3:3
Neil Young
R.E.M.
Elvis Costello
Aretha Franklin
Division 3:4
The Smiths
The Clash
U2
Talking Heads
Hmm. OK…
D1
4p: The Beatles
3p: Bob Dylan
2p: David Bowie
1p: The Rolling Stones
D2.1
4p: The Who
3p: The Beach Boys
2p: Led Zeppelin
1p: Bruce Springsteen
D2.2
4p: Radiohead
3p: Prince
2p: Jimi Hendrix
1p: Elvis Presley
D3.1
4p: The Velvet Underground
3p: Stevie Wonder
2p: Pink Floyd
1p: The Byrds
D3.2
4p: Nirvana
3p: Marvin Gaye
2p: Bob Marley
1p: Van Morrison
D3.3
4p: R.E.M.
3p: Elvis Costello
2p: Neil Young
1p: Aretha Franklin
D3.4
4p: The Clash
3p: Talking Heads
2p: The Smiths
1p: U2
Division 1
4p Bob Dylan
3p The Rolling Stones
2p David Bowie
1p The Beatles
Division 2:1
4p Bruce Springsteen
3p The Who
2p The Beach Boys
1p Led Zeppelin
Division 2:2
4p Prince
3p Elvis Presley
2p Jimi Hendrix
1p Radiohead
Division 3:1
4p The Velvet Underground
3p Pink Floyd
2p The Byrds
1p Stevie Wonder
Division 3:2
4p Van Morrison
3p Marvin Gaye
2p Bob Marley
1p Nirvana
Division 3:3
4p Neil Young
3p R.E.M.
2p Elvis Costello
1p Aretha Franklin
Division 3:4
4p U2
3p The Smiths
2p Talking Heads
1p The Clash
Division 1
4p The Beatles
3p Bob Dylan
2p David Bowie
1p The Rolling Stones
Division 2:1
4p The Who
3p Bruce Springsteen
2p Led Zeppelin
1p The Beach Boys
Division 2:2
4p Radiohead
3p Prince
2p Jimi Hendrix
1p Elvis Presley
Division 3:1
4p Stevie Wonder
3p The Velvet Underground
2p Pink Floyd
1p The Byrds
Division 3:2
4p Marvin Gaye
3p Bob Marley
2p Nirvana
1p Van Morrison
Division 3:3
4p Neil Young
3p R.E.M.
2p Elvis Costello
1p Aretha Franklin
Division 3:4
4p U2
3p Talking Heads
2p The Clash
1p The Smiths
Division 1
(4pts) The Beatles
(3pts) The Rolling Stones
(2pts) David Bowie
(1pt) Bob Dylan
Division 2:1
(4pts) Led Zeppelin
(3pts) Bruce Springsteen
(2pts) The Beach Boys
(1pt) The Who
Division 2:2
(4pts) Radiohead
(3pts) Prince
(2pts) Jimi Hendrix
(1pt) Elvis Presley
Division 3:1
(4pts) The Velvet Underground
(3pts) Pink Floyd
(2pts) Stevie Wonder
(1pt) The Byrds
Division 3:2
(4pts) Nirvana
(3pts) Marvin Gaye
(2pts) Van Morrison
(1pt) Bob Marley
Division 3:3
(4pts) R.E.M.
(3pts) Elvis Costello
(2pts) Neil Young
(1pt) Aretha Franklin
Division 3:4
(4pts) The Clash
(3pts) The Smiths
(2pts) Talking Heads
(1pt) U2
I actually have something in the works along these lines, although more extensive. I'd be willing to take over after June 16th. I'd have a preseason until the end of the month, where some acts can be voted out of the game and others can be voted in to replace them. But for now ...
Division 1
1) The Beatles
2) The Rolling Stones
3) Bob Dylan
4) David Bowie
Division 2:1
1) The Who
2) Bruce Springsteen
3) Led Zeppelin
4) The Beach Boys
Division 2:2
1) Prince
2) Jimi Hendrix
3) Radiohead
4) Elvis Presley
Division 3:1
1) Stevie Wonder
2) The Velvet Underground
3) The Byrds
4) Pink Floyd
Division 3:2
1) Bob Marley
2) Nirvana
3) Van Morrison
4) Marvin Gaye
Division 3:3
1) R.E.M.
2) Aretha Franklin
3) Neil Young
4) Elvis Costello
Division 3:4
1) U2
2) The Clash
3) Talking Heads
4) The Smiths
Division 1
4p The Beatles
3p The Rolling Stones
2p Bob Dylan
1p David Bowie
Division 2:1
4p The Beach Boys
3p Bruce Springsteen
2p Led Zeppelin
1p The Who
Division 2:2
4p Radiohead
3p Jimi Hendrix
2p Prince
1p Elvis Presley
Division 3:1
4p The Velvet Underground
3p Stevie Wonder
2p Pink Floyd
1p The Byrds
Division 3:2
4p Nirvana
3p Bob Marley
2p Marvin Gaye
1p Van Morrison
Division 3:3
4p Neil Young
3p R.E.M.
2p Aretha Franklin
1p Elvis Costello
Division 3:4
4p The Clash
3p Talking Heads
2p The Smiths
1p U2
Division 1
*The Beatles(4)
The Rolling Stones(3)
Bob Dylan(2)
David Bowie(1)
Two in my top 5 and another closing in on my top 10.
Division 2:1
Led Zeppelin(4)
The Who(3)
*Bruce Springsteen(2)
The Beach Boys(1)
One in my top 5.
Division 2:2
Jimi Hendrix(4)
Elvis Presley(3)
*Radiohead(2)
Prince(1)
One more from top 5.
Division 3:1
Stevie Wonder(4)
Pink Floyd(3)
*The Velvet Underground(2)
The Byrds(1)
Division 3:2
*Nirvana(4)
Bob Marley(3)
Marvin Gaye(2)
Van Morrison(1)
Division 3:3
Neil Young(4)
*R.E.M.(3)
Elvis Costello(2)
Aretha Franklin(1)
Division 3:4
U2(4)
The Smiths(3)
The Clash(2)
Talking Heads(1)
I put stars (*) next to those I think will win.
Division 1
Bob Dylan 4
The Rolling Stones 3
The Beatles 2
David Bowie 1
Division 2:1
Led Zeppelin 4
The Who 3
Bruce Springsteen 2
The Beach Boys 1
Division 2:2
Radiohead 4
Jimi Hendrix 3
Prince 2
Elvis Presley 1
Hardest division for me.
Division 3:1
The Velvet Underground 4
Stevie Wonder 3
The Byrds 2
Pink Floyd 1
Division 3:2
Nirvana 4
Bob Marley 3
Van Morrison 2
Marvin Gaye 1
Division 3:3
Neil Young 4
Elvis Costello 3
R.E.M. 2
Aretha Franklin 1
Second hardest
Division 3:4
The Clash 4
The Smiths 3
Talking Heads 2
U2 1
Comments about the idea:
It would probably be a high participation game because it takes so little time to vote.
My concern with this game is that it runs the risk of getting very, very repetitive.
If it were going to be some kind of long term thing you'd need to find a way to create more turnover in the top spots.
Division 1
4 - The Beatles
3 - The Rolling Stones
2 - Bob Dylan
1 - David Bowie
Division 2:1
3 - Led Zeppelin
1 - Bruce Springsteen
4 - The Who
2 - The Beach Boys
Division 2:2
3 - Radiohead
1 - Prince
2 - Elvis Presley
4 - Jimi Hendrix
Division 3:1
1 - The Velvet Underground
4 - Stevie Wonder
3 - Pink Floyd
2 - The Byrds
Division 3:2
4 - Marvin Gaye
1 - Nirvana
2 - Bob Marley
3 - Van Morrison
Division 3:3
1 - R.E.M.
4 - Neil Young
2 - Elvis Costello
3 - Aretha Franklin
Division 3:4
4 - U2
2 - The Clash
3 - The Smiths
1 - Talking Heads
Division 1
4 - The Beatles
3 - Bob Dylan
2 - The Rolling Stones
1 - David Bowie
Division 2:1
4 - Led Zeppelin
3 - Bruce Springsteen
2 - The Beach Boys
1 - The Who
Division 2:2
4 - Radiohead
3 - Prince
2 - Jimi Hendrix
1 - Elvis Presley
Division 3:1
4 - Stevie Wonder
3 - Pink Floyd
2 - The Velvet Underground
1 - The Byrds
Division 3:2
4 - Marvin Gaye
3 - Nirvana
2 - Bob Marley
1 - Van Morrison
Division 3:3
4 - Neil Young
3 - Aretha Franklin
2 - R.E.M.
1 - Elvis Costello
Division 3:4
4 - The Clash
3 - The Smiths
2 - U2
1 - Talking Heads
Division 1
4p:Bob Dylan
3p:The Rolling Stones
2p:David Bowie
1p:The Beatles
Division 2:1
4p:Bruce Springsteen
3p:The Beach Boys
2p:The Who
1p:Led Zeppelin
Division 2:2
4p:Radiohead
3p:Prince
2p:Jimi Hendrix
1p:Elvis Presley
Division 3:1
4p:Stevie Wonder
3p:The Byrds
2p:The Velvet Underground
1p:Pink Floyd
Division 3:2
4p:Marvin Gaye
3p:Bob Marley
2p:Nirvana
1p:Van Morrison
Division 3:3
4p:Neil Young
3p:R.E.M.
2p:Elvis Costello
1p:Aretha Franklin
Division 3:4
4p:The Smiths
3p:U2
2p:Talking Heads
1p:The Clash
Division 1
The Beatles - 3
The Rolling Stones - 4
Bob Dylan - 1
David Bowie - 2
Division 2:1
Led Zeppelin - 2
Bruce Springsteen - 1
The Who - 4
The Beach Boys - 3
Division 2:2
Radiohead - 1
Prince - 2
Elvis Presley - 4
Jimi Hendrix - 3
Division 3:1
The Velvet Underground - 1
Stevie Wonder - 2
Pink Floyd - 3
The Byrds - 4
Division 3:2
Marvin Gaye - 3
Nirvana - 1
Bob Marley - 4
Van Morrison - 2
Division 3:3
R.E.M. - 1
Neil Young - 2
Elvis Costello - 3
Aretha Franklin - 4
Division 3:4
U2 - 4
The Clash - 2
The Smiths - 3
Talking Heads - 1
Good game! Division 3:4 was just as good as Division 2:2!
Zorg, did you enter ranks or points?
Division 1
4p Bob Dylan
3p The Rolling Stones
2p David Bowie
1p The Beatles
Division 2:1
4p Bruce Springsteen
3p Led Zeppelin
2p The Beach Boys
1p The Who
Division 2:2
4p Radiohead
3p Jimi Hendrix
2p Elvis Presley
1p Prince
Division 3:1
4p Pink Floyd
3p The Velvet Underground
2p The Byrds
1p Stevie Wonder
Division 3:2
4p Van Morrison
3p Marvin Gaye
2p Nirvana
1p Bob Marley
Division 3:3
4p Neil Young
3p R.E.M.
2p Elvis Costello
1p Aretha Franklin
Division 3:4
4p U2
3p Talking Heads
2p The Clash
1p The Smiths
Division 1
4p The Beatles
3p Bob Dylan
2p The Rolling Stones
1p David Bowie
Division 2:1
4p Bruce Springsteen
3p Led Zeppelin
2p The Who
1p The Beach Boys
Division 2:2
4p Radiohead
3p Prince
2p Jimi Hendrix
1p Elvis Presley
Division 3:1
4p The Velvet Underground
3p Pink Floyd
2p Stevie Wonder
1p The Byrds
Division 3:2
4p Marvin Gaye
3p Van Morrison
2p Nirvana
1p Bob Marley
Division 3:3
4p R.E.M.
3p Neil Young
2p Elvis Costello
1p Aretha Franklin
Division 3:4
4p The Smiths
3p U2
2p The Clash
1p Talking Heads
I think it would be cool if the divisions were broken up by genre. Obviously, nobody would agree about the breakdowns, but the breakdowns would be close enough that it would add something.
Using just these:
Soul Division: Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Prince
Classic Rock Division: Led Zeppelin, The Who, The Beatles, Pink Floyd
Folk Division: Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Van Morrison, Radiohead
Punk Division: The Velvet Underground, The Clash, Elvis Costello, Nirvana
New Wave Division: The Smiths, Talking Heads, U2, David Bowie
Roots Rock Division: The Rolling Stones, Elvis Presley, R.E.M., Bruce Springsteen
Beach Music Division: The Beach Boys, Bob Marley, The Byrds, Jimi Hendrix
Marley and Radiohead are too different from the rest ("Beach Music"? Really?) for the genres to really click, but if the number were expanded (or even set in order to make the divisions make sense), I think the typical votes would be more interesting. It's always more fun to compare Aretha to Gaye than Aretha to the Flaming Lips.
Division 1
4p Bob Dylan
3p The Rolling Stones
2p David Bowie
1p The Beatles
Division 2:1
4p Bruce Springsteen
3p Led Zeppelin
2p The Who
1p The Beach Boys
Division 2:2
4p Prince
3p Jimi Hendrix
2p Radiohead
1p Elvis Presley
Division 3:1
4p Stevie Wonder
3p The Velvet Underground
2p Pink Floyd
1p The Byrds
Division 3:2
4p Van Morrison
3p Marvin Gaye
2p Bob Marley
1p Nirvana
Division 3:3
4p Elvis Costello
3p Neil Young
2p Aretha Franklin
1p R.E.M.
Division 3:4
4p The Smiths
3p The Clash
2p Talking Heads
1p U2
Sorry, rank (i.e. Dylan gets 4 points). Should have read the rules
D1
Bob Dylan
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
David Bowie
D2:1
The Who
Bruce Springsteen
Led Zeppelin
The Beach Boys
D2:2
Radiohead
Jimi Hendrix
Elvis Presley
Prince
D3:1
The Velvet Underground
The Byrds
Pink Floyd
Stevie Wonder
D3:2
Van Morrison
Nirvana
Bob Marley
Marvin Gaye
D3:3
Neil Young
R.E.M.
Elvis Costello
Aretha Franklin
D3:4
Talking Heads
U2
The Clash
The Smiths
Nice game idea.
Suggestions (I'm just brainstorming here):
1. Make divisions a bit bigger, like e.g. 8 artists? 2 artists would go up, 4 would go down. Points can be as is, so from 4 down to 1, 4 artists don't get points.
2. To replace the 8 (or 16 for bigger divisions) artists that will leave Division 3, nominate 8 (or 16) artists from a pool of 32 (or 64)?
Division 1
4p The Beatles
3p Bob Dylan
2p The Rolling Stones
1p David Bowie
Division 2:1
4p The Beach Boys
3p Bruce Springsteen
2p The Who
1p Led Zeppelin
Division 2:2
4p Radiohead
3p Jimi Hendrix
2p Prince
1p Elvis Presley
Division 3:1
4p The Byrds
3p The Velvet Underground
2p Stevie Wonder
1p Pink Floyd
Division 3:2
4p Van Morrison
3p Bob Marley
2p Nirvana
1p Marvin Gaye
Division 3:3
4p R.E.M.
3p Neil Young
2p Elvis Costello
1p Aretha Franklin
Division 3:4
4p Talking Heads
3p U2
2p The Smiths
1p The Clash
Will this game continue? If so, this is my vote:
Division 1
4p - The Beatles
3p - The Rolling Stones
2p - Bob Dylan
1p - David Bowie
Division 2:1
4p - Bruce Springsteen
3p - The Beach Boys
2p - The Who
1p - Led Zeppelin
Division 2:2
4p - Prince
3p - Radiohead
2p - Elvis Presley
1p - Jimi Hendrix
Division 3:1
4p - Stevie Wonder
3p - The Byrds
2p - The Velvet Underground
1p - Pink Floyd
Division 3:2 - the weakest group
4p - Nirvana
3p - Marvin Gaye
2p - Bob Marley
1p - Van Morrison
Division 3:3: having to decide between R.E.M or Costello again!
4p - R.E.M.
3p - Elvis Costello
2p - Aretha Franklin
1p - Neil Young
Division 3:4: the strongest group
4p - Talking Heads
3p - U2
2p - The Clash
1p - The Smiths
Results
Division 1
1. The Beatles, 68 points, next season would have been D1
2. Bob Dylan, 63 points, D1
3. The Rolling Stones, 56 points, D2:1
4. David Bowie, 43 points, D2:2
Division 2:1
1. Bruce Springsteen, 71 points, D1
2. Led Zeppelin, 58 points, D2:1
3. The Who, 52 points, D3:1
4. The Beach Boys, 51 points, D3:2
Division 2:2
1. Radiohead, 74 points, D1
2. Prince, 65 points, D2:2
3. Jimi Hendrix, 57 points, D3:3
4. Elvis Presley, 34 points, D3:4
Division 3:1
1. The Velvet Underground, 70 points, D2:1
2. Stevie Wonder, 68 points, D3:1
3. Pink Floyd, 51 points, D4:1
4. The Byrds, 41 points, D4:2
Division 3:2
1. Nirvana, 63 points, D2:1
2. Marvin Gaye, 61 points, D3:2
3. Bob Marley, 54 points, D4:3
4. Van Morrison, 52 points, D4:4
Division 3:3
1. Neil Young, 75 points, D2:2
2. R.E.M., 66 points, D3:3
3. Elvis Costello, 54 points, D4:5
4. Aretha Franklin, 35 points, D4:6
Division 3:4
1. U2, 63 points, D2:2
2. The Smiths, 58 points, D3:4
3. The Clash, 55 points, D4:7
4. Talking Heads, 54 points, D4:8
This game ends here, but hopefully Rocky Raccoon got a few good recommendations from this to his real division game. Thanks everyone for participating!