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Re: BSA Instruction books - Contracts C6654 & C7287

Thank you Rik that's great information, I'm rather ashamed that I haven't done any trips to Kew and other places to do my own research.

The change from the early to later tanks seems to be confirmed by these two pictures.

Rob

C4349733-WM20-33141-1
WM20 33141

C4349974-WM20-33382
WM20 33382 etc

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Re: BSA Instruction books - Contracts C6654 & C7287

Hi Rik
That’s some document that
Is it in Kew records office
I must go there - 40 mins by train for me
I must call & talk about it with you
Thanks for sharing with us
Br
Jo’b

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Re: BSA Instruction books - Contracts C6654 & C7287

That's a useful piece of photographic corroboration, Rob..the fuel tank change falls exactly as my calculations assumed that it should. It doesn't mean of course that they all do...

On the the subject of stand pivots, it may be that BSA never delivered and that the cancelling instructions were never noted in these summaries...It is clear that there were also separate detailed contract files that have not survived. We can't rely on this evidence in isolation, but if it reinforces what we see from other sources then it can provide that final piece of the jigsaw which swings 'probable' or 'likely' to 'certain'

John, these are indeed the National Archive Ministry of Supply ledgers - Huge leather-bound books. Even pre-virus though they were cutting down visiting times and files available....If it re-opens then get in there when you can.

Re: BSA Instruction books - Contracts C6654 & C7287

That is a remarkable document, many machines from this contract ended up in the far corners of the war, were the 2118 crates for shipping the machines abroad or were they for the spare engines and gearboxes, 1700 + 425 = 2125? Is £2 4s per crate going to buy a small engine size crate or a larger one?

Rob

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Re: BSA Instruction books - Contracts C6654 & C7287

Ron Pier
Well I'm buggered! I started a quest some years ago with Henk's help to determine when the forks were changed to the longer ones, and came up with, at some point in contract C7287 (Late 40- Early 41). Now you provide the actual frame number!

17,000 bikes supplied over 9 months is an average of nearly 1900 a month, which means that WM20 28803 as the 3803rd bike could easily have been delivered in late 1940.

Thanks a million for the confirmation Rik:+1:

Strangely though I can't say I've noticed an M20 with a welded field stand lug. Something else to watch out for now!

Cheers Ron
Ron, I've been looking at the Ordnance returns and I reckon that the 3803rd bike arrived at Chilwell around 14/12/40...I don't have the factory records for this contract. Rob Miller could check though.

Re: BSA Instruction books - Contracts C6654 & C7287

I have picked up a second version or edition of the riders instruction book for contract C7287.

There are a few differences and this would seem to prove that all 17,000 copies weren't printed in advance of production, I havent included every suttle rewrite.

The change in oils for different temperatures printed in the later book was altered in the earlier one with glue in pieces of paper, and may stem from use of the WM20 in Iceland?, I wonder if this was the case with other makes used there?

The carbureter section has new drawings which looks like a different carb but it may just be artistic licence?

The codes in the printing data page 46 change from "C2494-10" to "C2924-10-24", does anyone have any other version?

All my scans show the later edition first.

Rob

C7287-2-1-0

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C7287-2-1-26

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C7287-2-1-33

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C7287-2-34-35

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C7287-1-34-35

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Re: BSA Instruction books - Contracts C6654 & C7287

Hi Rob
Great addition to this post
Timely for many of us to make notes etc
Thanks for the update

Br
Jo’b

email (option): jonnyob1@googlemail.com

Re: BSA Instruction books - Contracts C6654 & C7287

There would clearly have been a supply of spare parts lists and handbooks ordered for each contract, but presumably replacements were printed as and when needed ?

Certainly in the case of handbooks which were to be kept in the pocket of the toolbox, whether wrapped in oilskin or not, there must have been quite an attrition rate with replacements needed regularly.

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