I've had a WW2 WD Pyrene extinguisher for some time, but only just managed to get hold of a bracket for it. Can anyone tell me how the brackets were fitted to the WM20 (with panniers)? I can make something up quite easily, but would prefer to know exactly how they were originally attached.
Scorp.

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Well, originally?? daren't make any rash statements anymore, but I think they were never fitted, there are some pictures of them fitted to the pannier racks though, possibly a postwar addition?

Cheers,

Lex

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I thought in a previous discussion on this subject there was photographic evidence of extinguishers fitted to DR instructors bikes?...Ian

Could well be, now that you mention it? maybe someone can find the messages??

Lex

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Until very recently, this is the only war time picture I've seen with an extinguisher fitted. A training instructor. But another picture just emerged. I'm trying to remember it? Ron

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I think this one, Ron. I can't remember now where I found it but it was also captioned as instructors.



This is a pannier-toolbox 16H, probably from C6653/ I'd guess mounted to the leading edge of the toolbox. The exception rather than the rule though.

Thanks for all the input and especially the pictures. I guess if extinguishers were (officially) fitted to bikes in the field, there would be some photographic evidence of it, so I've decided not to permanently fit one to my Recce Corps bike.
Scorp.

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Scorp, I've certainly never seen them mentioned on the 'Equipment to Scale' lists for solo motorcycles...and they listed the rest down to the last webbing strap and padlock. I believe though that they were specified later on for swd Big 4 outfits.

There's a good chance that the War Office regarded extinguishers as valuable and M20s as expendable !

Hi Rik

I didn't know that later Big4's had them, I wonder what size extinguisher and where they put the bracket?

Rob

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Yes stop pissing about Rik. Don't only give us half the information. Ron

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Yes, that's new for me also.......

Cheers,

Lex

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I rather wish that I had reminded myself of the source prior to posting. I've seen something about the allocation of extinguishers to 'B' Vehicles including sidecar combinations but I can't find where at the moment. I'll try to remember and re-search all the odd ACIs and MT documents that I have copied.

I'd imagine that if they were issued to Big 4s, they'd have stored them in the rear locker.

The rear locker was mainly for the jack, Bren ammo, tripod, and god knows what, it's not in any of the manuals......



Cheers,

Lex

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After two and a half years of barely sleeping at night with the worry, I've finally found the reference to the supply of extinguishers with Big 4 outfits - It relates to possibly 47 or possibly 166 of the last contract of 212 (originally to have been 180) machines delivered under contract C13056 (S5738 - S5949). If it refers to the 47 then these seem to have been crated for export. This usually meant the Far East.

These were all fitted with box sidecars, hence a reasonable amount of space to carry them.

This is the entry from the Ministry of Supply ledger :-



"In addition, fire extinguishers complete with bracket (WD pattern) on basis of one per machine".

Job done, get some sleep Rik, get some sleep :-)

Bloody Hell! Hawk-eye Rik! I've got a job to read it even now you've shown me. There are two words I can't quite make out though:-

1)On the left 'Item 2' it says "As item 1 less tyres covers & tubes ????? to be packed for export.

2) at the end of the sentence about the fire extinguishers "(WD Patter) on ????? of one per machine"

Can you enlighten me those ????? words please Rik, and could you also just look up the Air Ministry records to see if mine from that period should have one too

Ron

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Ron
1) 'batteries' , but the crossings for the t's are 'flying'.
2) 'Basis' - as Rik put on his photo caption

Of course Thanks! Ron

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I'm ashamed to say that, I've just returned to the Forum after an very long period, and was amazed to find that one of my posts was still active in February 2017! Aplogies to Rik for having caused him so many sleepless nights. I have now fitted the extinguisher to my '43 Willys Jeep, which is in British livery.
I had my first 2017 run on my WM20 last week and most enjoyable it was too - hope to use it lot more this year, now that the Jeep rebuild is finished.
Scorp.

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It is good to get this sort of info/thoughts.

My M20 had a WW2 WD Pyrene extinguisher fitted to the rear carrier frame when I bought it, the bike was restored by an American who I believe went off other restored bikes he researched. It seems mainly correct otherwise (I do have to change the tank C number though as he had the wrong one painted on).

I will probably just leave the extinguisher on it as I have already made it non-standard by fitting a brake light mechanism to it. I also like it, lol.

Just fitted period pannier bags (from Pegasus in the U.K.) to replace the 2 packs he had on it and have new canvas handle bar grips to fit, all sourced from comments on this site, CHEERS EVERYONE.

No idea when this photo was taken but it does have a fire extinguisher.

Henk

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Presumably wartime as there is a blackout mask fitted, but it has the D&M school sign so probably, once again, an instructor.

He probably began his lectures with "Listen you 'orrible lot. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire but this Norton is 'is Majesty's property so I'll carry an extinguisher just in case..."

Nobody in his right mind would do this today with his valuable Norton 16H, and I still wouldn't fit a fire extinguisher despite these photos.

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I wouldn't fit a fire extinguisher myself...but I'd have a go at that on my M20, or a 16H if there was no M20 available.. ...Ian

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