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One mans dream another mans deathtrap !!

Words fail me look at the engineering skills applied to this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Custom-Vintage-Board-tracker-racer-Project-BSA-M21-600cc-M20-500-bobber-chop-/371140173775?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item5669ad9fcf


Please someone buy it and break it down for parts.then skip the rest Dave

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'Range Target' is the term that comes to mind. A Boys Rifle should see it off.

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That would be a waste of a .55 cartridge, looking at the workmanship, a 22 air rifle should do the trick!!

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I loathe and detest custom bikes.

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Nice to see one that hasn't wasted many good parts.

Rob

email (option): robmiller11(a)yahoo.co.uk

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I wonder if this rear wheel structure will still hang on there after the first pothole..

Or maybe the rider will stay seated on a unicycle, while the rest of the
Rolling chassis will roll away?..

It could be a nice garden ornament though...

Noam.

email (option): noam10@gmail.com

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As soon as I see the word "bobber" I think pile of rubbish..

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this no MOT has got its failings especially with bikes

email (option): roger.beck@node6.com

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OTOH 2 M21 bittim ends for £ 500 got tho be the deal of the century seeing that cranks alone go for near that money

email (option): wariron@tpg,com,au

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I'm not a fan of custom bikes, or any specials when they have been messed with to the point they are unrideable....

That's moving into the 'sculpture' or 'art' area that conflicts with my conviction that bikes are primarily for riding...

Back in the 70s I hacked up standard bikes to make choppers and threw away a lot of standard tinware to make café racers..

Many early attempts were failures and remained unfinished, later my increasing skills and budget began to take effect and I built better bikes..

From the early days of motorcycles people have always sought to express their own ideas and followed the various fashions that have come and gone..

In my opinion, long may it continue.

The current trend for café racers and bobbers at least means people are getting involved with bikes at the 'nuts and bolts' level, using there imagination and learning something..Not just riding a bike they bought...

We would indeed live in a world of dull conformity (as envisaged by German type approval regulations) if everyone had a 'standard' bike and no alterations were made or allowed..

Unfinished projects, poorly executed lash ups and the sacrifice of some standard bikes are the price that has to be paid for the acquisition of the skills and level of application that are needed to produce the specials we do appreciate... and there are some very good bikes out there......Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

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trouble is these people are not motorcyclists as you and I would understand it, and do not ride their unrideable "creations" they just cart them around in a van to pose with.[or make TV shows out of]

All that you say is all well and good, until they start outbidding you on that bike you desperately want to restore to make a blobber crapper dirt box style thing, or decide that rare 30s bike would do just as well.

But the worst I reckon is when the anti bike scaremongers get hold of some fatality on a built up bike that needed no MOT........ thats when it'll all backfire.

Like you I was around in the early chopper /triton/tribsa days and some of those builds should never have got near an MOT, this lot are far worse.

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['trouble is these people are not motorcyclists as you and I would understand it, and do not ride their unrideable "creations" they just cart them around in a van to pose with']

I don't think such sweeping generalisations are usually true...

Times have changed...There are few motorcyclists 'as I understand them' anymore.

The days of the motorcyclist who rode a bike through all seasons and for his main form of transport because he preferred to are largely, and regrettably in my view, over.

Motorcycles are now, in most cases, a consumer 'toy' to be enjoyed only as a leisure activity...or as an 'art house' commodity and style statement..

How many miles, for example, does the average forum member do each year and how many ride to work, or in the winter?...Few I suspect...

It is easy to imagine we are all committed motorcyclists in the 'traditional' sense as we choose 'traditional' bikes.
No doubt some are, but many aren't so very different to the people you deride...They just do it with standard bikes...

I don't say this in a critical way because I realise how different things are now and how much things have changed...

Some of them may carry there bikes round in vans some of the time, or all of the time, but so do the bulk of 'classic bike' owners...How many of them will ride their bike to an event more than 50 miles away or will go touring in the summer?....

And how many unfinished 'classic' projects or badly built 'standard' bikes have I seen?...I'd like a pound for every one.

It is also inevitable that there will be classic bikes on the road not worthy of an MOT and a risk to anyone that rides them...A lack of skills/knowledge/money etc. are not purely to be found in the domain of custom bike builders.... ...Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

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hmmmm.

only being on an oap income prevents me from riding my bikes more these days, but I do get out on a Honda 90 several days a week if that counts.

apart from that and my wifes BSA C12 all my bikes are prewar and I'll go anywhere on them,its a rare coccasion when one of them is on a trailer.
Been to the Spanish border on my '38 one as well as S of France not so long ago

It's quite nice here in 1960, think I'll stay here for a bit yet.

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['It's quite nice here in 1960, think I'll stay here for a bit yet.']...

Different year..same thought.... ...Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

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Ian Wright
I'm not a fan of custom bikes, or any specials when they have been messed with to the point they are unrideable....

That's moving into the 'sculpture' or 'art' area that conflicts with my conviction that bikes are primarily for riding...

Back in the 70s I hacked up standard bikes to make choppers and threw away a lot of standard tinware to make café racers..

Many early attempts were failures and remained unfinished, later my increasing skills and budget began to take effect and I built better bikes..

From the early days of motorcycles people have always sought to express their own ideas and followed the various fashions that have come and gone..

In my opinion, long may it continue.

The current trend for café racers and bobbers at least means people are getting involved with bikes at the 'nuts and bolts' level, using there imagination and learning something..Not just riding a bike they bought...

We would indeed live in a world of dull conformity (as envisaged by German type approval regulations) if everyone had a 'standard' bike and no alterations were made or allowed..

Unfinished projects, poorly executed lash ups and the sacrifice of some standard bikes are the price that has to be paid for the acquisition of the skills and level of application that are needed to produce the specials we do appreciate... and there are some very good bikes out there......Ian [/quote]

Mr. wright,

I applaud your generosity of thought on this; I too cringe upon remembering some ill-conceived modifications and loss of now-unobtainable original pieces.

While we all hate the thought of losing vintage machines to poorly executed bodge jobs, one can only hope that the remaining vehicles will become all the more recognized for the rare survivors they are becoming, and which unfortunately I will no longer be able to afford.

email (option): teladelujo@msn.com

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As far as I am concerned its their bike,their money they are using and I dont care.But when these so called builders are flogging off their unfinished projects to unwitting gullible buyers who might even finish what they started then alarm bells ring for the poor sod who actually might ride the thing.My original post was concerning the engineering aspect of this particular build even a badly put together custom can be dangerous at low speed just look at the handle bar mounts/rear wheel mounts!! let alone the engine/gearbox and chains all lining up.So it is a dream one that wont work as a machine capable of transport, ideal place for this is a bar or cafe as a advertisement/feature.

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Dave
As far as I am concerned its their bike,their money they are using and I dont care.But when these so called builders are flogging off their unfinished projects to unwitting gullible buyers who might even finish what they started then alarm bells ring for the poor sod who actually might ride the thing.My original post was concerning the engineering aspect of this particular build even a badly put together custom can be dangerous at low speed just look at the handle bar mounts/rear wheel mounts!! let alone the engine/gearbox and chains all lining up.So it is a dream one that wont work as a machine capable of transport, ideal place for this is a bar or cafe as a advertisement/feature.[/quote]

No question; you are correct in your assessment. At least this specimen is far from being able to hurt anyone ...yet, unless it were to fall over on them.

So called "custom" machines often put form and function in diametric opposition. All claimed in the name of artistic license; an expression of the builder's creative vision, and youthful exuberance. ....Caveat Emptor

email (option): teladelujo@msn.com

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