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Karl
having had some recent experience with Indian components in a non structural component It is my considered opinion that you should leave them to the Indians and avoid them like the Plague or in 21st century language like HIV the photo below I believe demonstrates the quality of Indian Engineering. Keep calm follow leads on sites like this and avoid E-bay. In the meantime enjoy your M20 in its non standard form.
Ron FTLDU
email (option): Grumpy.moran@gmail.com
Somebody I know recently got a Levis to rebuild and bought a set of M20 forks (Indian) to use on it as the originals were missing..After stripping and blasting the forks he bought then to my workshop for me to take a good look at....
Well, if anyone is under any illusion that the Indians have 'cleaned up their act' forget about it...I could write a book on the various faults and inaccuracies, many of which were major ones..
Don't consider them as a possibility even for a moment...Ian
email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com
It wasn't very long ago that India was a 'full on' third world country and in many ways they still fall into that category. It is certainly apparent in their manufacturing industry...The Chinese are a major manufacturer for the rest of the world but without foreign input on manufacturing standards and methods still seem to have problems with quality....
The Russians do trees, oil, gas, agriculture and raw materials and hardly seem to have a manufacturing industry...Are there any good Russian domestic consumer products that make it to the West?...Ian
email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com
Remember the Moskvich car? Memories are the only things left cos' the cars certainly aint.
I had a Russian sidecar outfit...I used to call it the 'Russian Nightmare'...It wasn't a case of if it would break down but when...I gave up when the crankshaft broke with less than 8,000 miles on the clock from new..
A pile of junk, Comrade... ...Ian
email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com
a friend of mine had a russian side car outfit with the sidecar on the outside we went to silverstone in it never again sitting on the outside in a flimsy sidecar i was frightened to death i thought i was going to be crushed to death by every lorry that came towards me it took me days to stop the twitching 
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Hi Karl, How about the polar bear picture ?? 
Regards, Michiel
Hi Ian.... Do yu understand life is a full circle Ian.... We have moved ahead of being a Third world after you pharased us as Third World once upon a time.... yes Indian, Russians, Chinese and entire Asia are certainly moving towards the world standards.... Western Presidents and Priministers are lobbying BIG deals with us to Bail out your companies in Distress.... You don't even know about our Engineering.... People who do these jobs for you shody cheap wartime bikes are just a live by the day like probably you are bike freaks.... But the engineers here don't waste their time on replicating anything old.... For the matter of fact if they did, they would certainly ruin you personal gain market for you IAN.... Grow up and get a Life.... While we try and give your shody bikes some life here.... Regards Vinay
Good luck on your journey....Ian
email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com
Now we are fu**ed if our stupid presidents & priministers are doing BIG deals with you lot to bail out our companies in distress .The only thing these countries do for use is to increase the price of our scrap metal which you build into unusable crap/repro junk.As for helping us to keep our shody bikes on the road I dont think so as we know your game and workmanship (if you can call it that) .I suggest you get a life and a engineering degree before you call our cheap war time bikes shody as these things will still be running when anything you lot produce is well fu**ed. regards Dave
Sorry vinay,
You are well off the mark. I have had many dealings with Indian engineering through my business. Not good generally.
Yes you can send a sattelite up. But most of the crap that India exports is a joke. Many reasons for this, but not on this forum.
Darren
email (option): dwrudd@lineone.net
If Indian engineering is so good, why is it that every bike that I've seen from there is completely bodged? No wonder you consider M20's as shoddy if that is the best engineering you can do to repair them. If your top engineers are at the cutting edge of technology why is it that you produce bearings that only last a couple of months, tap and die sets that break the first time you use them and alternators that are incorrectly assembled and fail within a couple of weeks, these aren't alternators for old bangers, they are for state of the art charging systems, even bathroom fittings such as taps, and plumbing connectors break or leak within a short period of time? If you can't even get basic engineering right, what chance is it that you will get cutting edge technology correct?
ESSAR took over Shell Petroleum at Stanlow near me recently , there was a serious fire within a couple of weeks that could have been catastrophic to the area this was caused by poor maintenance and failure to do safety checks, this wreaks of wanting to make a quick buck at the expense of safety and quality........need I say more! Remember Bhopal, a story of bad maintenance and poor work practices?
I used to give India the benefit of the doubt but the more I see the less I'm inclined to do so, can you blame me? You hide behind the pseudonym "honest", I don't hide behind any such name, I'm just being honest!
When you say that our leaders are brokering big deals with your country to save our companies, this is not true, most of our big companies are run not by directors, but by stupid pricks called accountants that want to save the companies money, they do this by f******g up the company by pushing forward big ideas of cheapening production costs by shipping the work to third world countries, saying after a year or so that they have streamlined the company, collecting a big dividend for themselves and the shareholders (after making redundancies and completely f*****g the company) then they move on to the next job on the pretence of "saving" another company. I doubt that there isn't a big company that has shipped work abroad that either publicly or privately wished it hadn't.
You may consider me as "anti Indian" but all the above failure of Indian components has happened to me, as I'm sure it has to other forum members, so you can see not just mine, but other people's views of Indian products, as everyone of the failures of the above mentioned components was sent back to the supplier which if the issue was resolved with the manufacturer in India I'll never know, but I'm sure the supplier who has to stand the cost of failures, as Indian manufacturers seem reluctant to offer any kind of warranty to the retailer as all the companies I've returned stuff back to can confirm, they seem to prefer to just sell it cheap and let the retailer have the problems. This to me dosen't seem to be good business practice for a companies that want to build up a reputation for good quality workmanship and to impress upon the world that their products are second to none.
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Yea but the last couple you sent over, the ends didn't quite meet up...
It seems not everyone is convinced by the arguments for Indian manufacturing....
Polaris, Harley Davidson and Triumph are all setting up plants in India...and no doubt many other non motorcycle related firms as well...
The reason?...
Firstly, the historically very high import duties applied to imported goods that protected the Indian economy (basically manipulating the balance of trade by making imported goods uncompetitive)...
Set up manufacturing within the country and you avoid this...It's much the same reason the Japanese have production facilities within the EEC....
Secondly..Why now?...Well that has been prompted by the increasing wealth of the Indian middle classes..Aspirational people with money to spend are going to attract Western manufacturers of consumer goods like flies to ummm....
However, make no mistake, these companies might employ an Indian workforce to an extent but design, manufacturing methods and quality control etc. will remain firmly in their hands..None of them are about to deliver that responsibility into the Indians hands....
As this trend increases Indian manufacturing will be exposed to direct competition with Western companies in their previously protected domestic market...That will determine just what Indian manufacturing is and isn't capable of.....
Also, 'Honest' seems to think India, China and the Russians etc. are all moving forward together...Not so...They are all moving forward, but India will have to compete with all of them as well... and China in particular is as much a threat to Indian companies as it is to Western companies....
There is no doubt India has some capability...They are a force within computing, have their own space programme etc. etc....
However, they also have large parts of the population living in abject poverty, little or no education for many, an inadequate basic infrastructure in terms of delivery of services, transport etc, child labour and other social problems that need to be addressed etc. etc. ...The list is a long one.
Regarding Indian manufactured goods for export, quality examples don't come rushing to mind...I don't have an Indian computer, washing machine, car, camera, cd player, phone etc.etc....and if the motorcycle parts that come our way are indicative of what we might get I think I'll 'pass' for now...Ian
email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com