We have had this discussion before. But is one these the type dip switch for a 16H/Big4. they are Lucas LU31482 & LU31482A. Both available repro for 7/8" bars.
My bars are 1" if anyone can help with info. Ron
Leon, could you please document that, there was a while ago, on the Prewar AJS-Matchless Yahoo list a lot of messages that said the opposite is true, the rounded lever prewar, and the longer squarish type postwar.
I have a feeling that neither of them are completely correct. Pre-war Nortons utilised combination control lever clamps and were fitted with a dip switch that screwed directly to the handlbars. As far as I can tell from the best image I have, it seems to have had more of a plain toggle than the 'bishop's mitre' shape of lever. However, it may be that both shapes were available.
There is photographic evidence of early war bikes using the clamp-on type switch but they seem to be a more oval form of switch and to have a small thumb lever with a ridged edge (this type of lever is commonly seen on the chromed combination dip/horn pattern switches).
The 'mitre' shaped switches turn up occasionally as NOS as well as pattern but with 1970s looking vinyl coated wiring. The reason for this is that they were used for operating the two-tone horns and blue lamps on Norton Commando Interpols. The Lucas part number given was 31482.
Ron, if you look at page 38 of Gavin Birch's book with a magnifying glass, you can see the switch that looks more like a post-war dip/horn...
Bakelite switches are something which probably lasted about a week on a WD bike and I doubt if there are many 1930s bikes where it is known for certain that all switchgear is original. I think that you'll be pretty unlucky to be picked up by a hostile rivet-counter. (Lex and I are friendly so that's two that you don't have to worry about).
Mine came from him too, on an eBay 'second chance' - a bit less than £60 at the time though.
The angular one looks earlier to me - the rounded one has a 1960s look but that doesn't mean that it is. Knowing Lucas, it's quite possible that they superseded and then later went back to the original moulding.
Lex, I do feel that the shape of the toggle on the pre-war switches (even if the clamp is different) could contribute to the whole story. To be honest, I don't know what Ron's up to at the moment. It wouldn't surprise me if he had JMK 783 on the workbench !
Do you reckon the knob on the photo that Ron's posted is the squared-off 'Bishop's Mitre' type ? The more I stare, the less I can see.
I'd like that type to be correct for 1940/41 'cause it's what I've got but I wouldn't be offended if you told me it was wrong !
once, i bought a NOS wartime 6 inch headlamp and a complete harness attached to it from Henk. i say wartime because apart from the matt green colour it had half of the reflector painted matt black like those which used the manila paper blackout. attached to the harness it had the bottom half of dip switch of the sharp, angular type. Henk often uses this item as a reference here especially when wiring is discussed. it is a bit of a paradox, a 6 inch headlamp with a half painted reflector like the older 8 inch ones......either there were 6 inch headlamps in the early war years or the hooded blackout demanded half painted reflector too. to add with the confusion, the reflector on this headlamp has the opening for the ammeter illumination as well,just like early ones....
i seriously doubt that the dip switch was changed on this one.
I don't recognise JMK 783 Rik? I just got round to fitting one of the B4 handlebars that I had copied from an original. I now have a hankering to dump my combined horn/dip switch for something more correct. No problem with the horn push as I have a couple. But need that dip switch with the Bishops hat lever.
Hi Ron...You should get a replica from Britbits no problem and they do look OK...Both types are replicated....(though I know you'll probably hang it out for a NOS example... ). I got mine from the Czech boys for the B30, though I chose the rounded one because I liked it more.....Ian
Rik, Henk, the ammeter dates from september 1939, is that enough? i have scanned the label on the reflector and we can make a billion copies if anyone on the forum is interested.
Here's another 1941 shot of a dipswitch, this seems to be the most used after the chrome top one (that screws directly to the handlebars, and is for the combination levers only)
But dont worry Ron, I also have one picture with a bakelite Miller dipswitch fitted, the big round one, with half round metal rear clip, with the lighthouse logo on it!
I'm trying to find the AJS Matchless conversations that said the round knob was prewar, and the Bishops thingy postwar, but no luck yet.
Its interesting that the bottom right one in Lexs ad says its "Foreign", I wonder if they were still being imported after the start of the war?
Here is a similar one with a combined horn button, 3 of which I obtained with some other military bits, I had been assuming it was late or just postwar perhaps from the period when blackouts were removed?
The clamp on the back is just wide enough for 1" bars but with it fully tightened it would grip 7/8" bars.
I got a reply from Jiri in CZ today. He makes replicas in 7/8" and 1". According to him the Bishops hat type is Post war. Not sure he's correct. But at least they are available and beautifully made. Ron