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I agree Terry. But I do think the pork pies in M@S, Sainsbury's Tescos today are just awful. The best ones I ever tasted were in Leeds market. Dark red meat and salty. Another thing about the Leeds market area some time ago is that the pubs used to be open from 8AM -- for some reason. Not that I am advocating early hours imbibing but if you had just got off a tiresome overnight bus from London it was a very refreshing morning pint before caching a train to the Aire Valley.