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  April 29, 1947 - September 5, 2020



Update: On Saturday, September 5th, 2020, the founder, administrator, and head moderator of this forum, Valerie S., went Home to be with the Lord.  Her obituary can be found on https://memorials.demarcofuneralhomes.com/valerie-skrzyniak/4321619/index.php.

This posting is dedicated to the forever memory and honor of Valerie, who was the founder of, and the inspiration for, this Web site.  The Web site will continue to operate in Valerie's remembrance, as requested by her family.  God bless!

Dedicated to God  the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit​​​​​​​
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

   For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.     

​​​​​​​2 Timothy 4:7-8
For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing
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Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!
Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

Countdown to United Nations Vote to Split Jerusalem on the url above! The clock is ticking! Time for us to go home!

Official countdown, and more information:

http://jerusalemprayerteam.org/CountdownToUnitedNationsVoteToSplitJerusalem.asp
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21st 2011, 8:00 AM, GMT-5:00

Maranatha!

Valerie

P.S. Kathy send me an email and I received one as well from them!

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

Valerie,

does recognizing a palestinian state mean that Jerusalem will be divided or not necessarily. Maybe they are just recognized as a member of the UN.

would this really start the tribulation.

thank you

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

Good question. According to Mike Evans, Obama may be blackmailing Netanyahu with the threat of official UN recognition of Palestine as a state. Here's a copy of an earlier email I received from him.
______________________________________________________

Is President Obama blackmailing
Prime Minister Netanyahu?

Dear ____,

The US could easily stop the plan to recognize Palestine as an independent nation. Yet the Obama Administration has steadfastly refused to flatly promise to use our UN veto to defend Israel from this threat. Why? A growing number of observers in both America and Israel are raising this question: Is President Obama blackmailing Prime Minister Netanyahu by threatening to withhold the veto and allow the UN vote to go forward unless the Israeli leader makes the concessions being demanded by Washington?

If this explanation is true, it would explain a great deal of what has been transpiring. The Obama Administration has been demanding, frequently and very publicly, that Israel “withdraw” to the 1967 borders. Everyone who pays the least attention knows that this would be a political, military, economic, and humanitarian catastrophe for the Jewish state. More than half a million Jews would be left homeless, and Israel's enemies would be poised on the doorstep for military strikes at any moment.

So far the Netanyahu government, which is a divided coalition government in Israel's parliamentary system, has resisted this pressure. But what happens if President Obama tells my old friend, “Either give in to my demands, or face a UN-recognized Palestinian state”? Will Israel be able to resist that kind of pressure? Will the God-fearing and Israel-loving people of America allow our leaders to do this in our names?

Understand this clearly—every nation and individual that supports the United Nations and Obama Administration plan to curse Israel and steal from her the land God promised the Jews as an eternal possession will suffer His chastisement and judgment. Every nation and individual that opposes this plan and stands with Israel as a blessing to her will enjoy His blessing. That is why we have launched a national campaign to rally opposition to the Obama Administration's plan, to expose the anti-Semitism that lies behind world efforts to curse Israel, and to support the Jewish people. Your gift today to bless Israel is urgently needed.

America is on a prophetic countdown to the gravest days in our history. In a few weeks, a vote will be taken at the United Nations that will force America to choose between standing with Israel and standing with her enemies. Israeli leaders have asked the Jerusalem Prayer Team for its support at the United Nations and a week later as the nations of the world gather for the demonic Durban III conference to continue accusing Zionists of being racists. The first Durban Conference occurred in 2001. At that conference, the Palestinians distributed copies of the anti-Semitic The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion to all delegates. It was the most evil, anti-Semitic UN assembly ever against Israel.

The conference ended on September 8, 2001...and 72 hours later, the US was attacked by Radical Islam. I can assure you that in the spirit realm, this was no coincidence. God's Word promises a curse on any nation that touches Jerusalem. Once before, an American President attempted to divide Jerusalem and surrender the Temple Mount to radical Islam. That president was Bill Clinton. Now President Obama plans to do the same—this time by formally recognizing a Palestine State at the UN in September within days of the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

I do not believe for a second that all the economic and political turmoil America is going through is coincidental. America needs Divine intervention that can only come from God's people standing in the gap like Esther. This national campaign will cost $350,000. We give thanks for the 625 Jerusalem Prayer Team members who have given $46,500 so far to this urgent need. I am asking every Jerusalem Prayer Team member to stand up to Jew hatred like Corrie ten Boom and her family did in Holland during the Holocaust.

In my new book, The Protocols, I reveal how so many of the modern expressions of anti-Semitism trace their roots back to The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. I wrote this thriller, The Protocols, to expose to the world the fact that although it was uncovered as a forgery not long after it was written, millions of people today still accept it as truth...and act on that false belief. My new book is a chilling look at how the tentacles of hatred of Jews reach even into our own country.

SEE THE FRONT AND BACK COVERS OF THE PROTOCOLS

PREVIEW CHAPTER ONE OF THE PROTOCOLS

When you send your gift of $30 or more, we will send you a copy of The Protocols. This powerful book explains the anti-Semitism behind the plot to divide Jerusalem and curse Israel. If you are able to send a gift of $80 or more, we will send you an autographed hardback copy. This is the truth that our world most urgently needs to hear today. You can see a brief highlight from the gala launch event at the Begin Center below.

If you are able to send a gift of $150 or more for this national campaign, we will send you this beautiful silver menorah in addition to the autographed hardback copy of The Protocols. This ancient symbol of God's presence among His people will be a constant reminder to you and to all those who see of your support for the Jewish people and the nation of Israel, and a wonderful reminder to you to continue to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

WATCH THIS THREE-MINUTE HIGHLIGHT OF DR. EVANS ON THE PROTOCOLS AT THE MENACHEM BEGIN CENTER IN JERUSALEM

David Ha'ivri, Executive Director of the Shomron Liason Office wrote: I have just finished reading your new and exciting book "The Protocols." You did an amazing job taking a world shaking but normally ignored true conspiracy and offering it to your readers in a suspense novel format. I hope that this book becomes a Bestsellers and a motion picture. It should also be published in multiple languages. Thank you for all that you do for Israel and the Jewish people.

GO HERE TO POST YOUR PRAYER FOR ISRAEL

The Jerusalem Prayer Team has set up a dedicated prayer wall especially for this campaign to defend Israel. Post your prayers that God will guide your nation and turn the hearts of your leaders toward Israel...that He will grant Israel His favor and guard and defend His Chosen People. Your prayers will be an encouragement to others, and we ask that you take a moment to share your prayers for the Jewish state...and that you continue to pray faithfully for the peace of Jerusalem.

Your support of the Jerusalem Prayer Team makes it possible for us to continue to stand for Israel on the world stage, to rally Believers across the globe to join in fervent intercession for Israel, and to meet the urgent humanitarian needs of the Chosen People. Thank you so much for being part of the team.

Barukh atah Adonai eloheinu melekh ha-olam, ozier Yisrael bigvurah.

Blessed art thou, Lord our God, King of the universe, who girds Israel with might.

Your ambassador to Jerusalem,

Dr. Michael Evans

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

heidi,

"Perhaps that is not surprising giving the historic hatred of the Palestinians for the Jews and their utter refusal to take serious steps toward bringing peace.In July, a Palestinian envoy told the UN Security Council, meeting to consider steps leading up to the vote on statehood: “With international political and financial support, this plan has reached its objectives as acknowledged by the international community. We have completed our responsibilities and are ready to govern ourselves. We cannot keep waiting for Israel to negotiate with good faith.”

This means to me, they will take the law into their own hands, and govern themselves, the way they see fit for their own people...dividing the land, and going forth doing whatever they please!!!This is serious!

Marantha!

Valerie

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

Sept. 21st, huh?

Wow, Valerie -- that date sure rings a bell with you, huh??!!

Praying we'll be gone before then!

Heidi, I don't think anyone can know for sure "this side of heaven" but if I was to take a wild guess (that's all it is, though I've spent my life watching & studying Biblical prophecy) ~ but I'd venture to guess there's a very good chance we'll be gone before then.

If it turns out to be THEE covenant spoken of in Daniel ~ then yes, the rapture is before then.

Only 2 more weeks left in August -- we could yet be gone this very month!!

Hoping our Blessed Hope SOON becomes reality!

BTW, I was reading something yesterday that said that "hope" is Israel's national anthem!! Hmm!! ~ interesting, huh?! I have not searched for more info on that though.

MARANATHA!!! Keep looking up!

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

Thank you Valerie. I am just so anxious to go home. Seeing the clock ticking at the top of the article gives me the shivers to say the least.

Thank you Kathy & Blessed Hope, It just seems too good to be true. However, we also have any destruction Elenin might cause, the sign that will be in heaven (from Revelation 12) & the fact that 2018 would be 70 years since 1948.

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

And this can only mean 1 thing, Valerie and Heidi--war in the Middle East! (I hope it also means the Rapture for us!)

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

all 4 of us ~ Valerie, Heidi, Kathy G & myself were posting at the same time!! ~~ nearly on top of each other!

I agree with you, Valerie -- this is serious & it sure sounds like it may (finally) be THEE covenant!!!

Oh, to be with Jesus!!!

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

You're welcome Heidi!

Yes I agree with you Kathy!

Rapture & Sudden Destruction!

Come Lord Jesus and fulfill what has been written!

Blessings in Christ,

Valerie

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

Blessed Hope
Sept. 21st, huh?



Wow, Valerie -- that date sure rings a bell with you, huh??!!



Praying we'll be gone before then!



Heidi, I don't think anyone can know for sure "this side of heaven" but if I was to take a wild guess (that's all it is, though I've spent my life watching & studying Biblical prophecy) ~ but I'd venture to guess there's a very good chance we'll be gone before then.



If it turns out to be THEE covenant spoken of in Daniel ~ then yes, the rapture is before then.



Only 2 more weeks left in August -- we could yet be gone this very month!!



Hoping our Blessed Hope SOON becomes reality!



BTW, I was reading something yesterday that said that "hope" is Israel's national anthem!! Hmm!! ~ interesting, huh?! I have not searched for more info on that though.



MARANATHA!!! Keep looking up!




Blessed Hope!

You're absolutely correct the 21st does ring a bell!!! LOL!!! God knows for certain, what that day will bring, and we don't have long to find out.

Blessings,

Maranatha!

Valerie

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

There are 50 excellent reasons regarding the imminent Rapture!

This forum is predetermined as a "Pre Tribulation Rapture ONLY"! We believe and share the same views here, because it is scriptural, and has been taught for centuries. This is a firm doctrine of this forum.

Therefore, no one needs to fear that we will be here for the Tribulation! We are not appointed to wrath!
Read and Be Blessed!

"Fair Use For Information & Discussion Purposes"

50 Reasons for the Pretribulation Rapture

Historical Argument
1. While posttribulationism appeared as early as 2 Thessalonians 2, many in the early church believed in the imminency of the Lord's return, which is an essential doctrine of pretribulationism.

2. The detailed development of the pretribulational truth during the past few centuries does not prove that the doctrine is new or novel. Its development is similar to that of other major doctrines in the history of the church.

Hermeneutics
3. Pretribulationism is the only view that allows literal interpretation of all Old and New Testament passages on the Great Tribulation.

4. Pretribulationism distinguishes clearly between Israel and the church and their respective programs.

Nature of the Tribulation
5. Pretribulationism maintains the scriptural distinction between the Great Tribulation and tribulation in general that precedes it.

6. The Great Tribulation is properly interpreted by pretribulationists as a time of preparation for Israel's restoration (Deu. 4:29-30; Jer. 30:4-11). It is not the purpose of the Tribulation to prepare the church for glory.

7. None of the Old Testament passages on the Tribulation mention the church (Deu. 4:29-30; Jer. 30: 4-11; Dan. 8:24-27; 12:1-2).

8. None of the New Testament passages on the Tribulation mention the church (Matt. 13:30; 39-42, 48-50; 24:15-31; 1 Thess. 1:9-10; 5:4-9; 2 Thess. 2:1-11; Rev. 4-18).

9. In contrast to midtribulationism, the pretribulational view provides an adequate explanation for the beginning of the Great Tribulation in Revelation 6. Midtribulationism is refuted by the plain teaching of Scripture that the Great Tribulation begins long before the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11.

10. The proper distinction is maintained between the prophetic trumpets of Scripture by pretribulationism. There is no proper ground for the pivotal argument of midtribulationism that the seventh trumpet of Revelation is the last trumpet in that there is no established connection between the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11, the last trumpet of 1 Corinthians 15:52, and the trumpet of Matthew 24:31. They are three distinct events.

11. The unity of Daniel's seventieth week is maintained by pretribulationists. By contrast, postribulationism and midtribulationists destroy the unity of Daniel's seventieth week and confuse Israel's program with that of the church.

Nature of the Church
12. The translation of the church is never mentioned in any passage dealing with the second coming of Christ after the Tribulation.

13. The church is not appointed to wrath (Rom. 5:9: 1 Thess. 1:9-10; 5:9). The church therefore cannot enter "the great day of their wrath" (Rev. 6:17).

14. The church will not be overtaken by the day of the Lord (1 Thess. 5:1-9, which includes the Tribulation.

15. The possibility of a believer escaping the Tribulation is mentioned in Luke 21:36.

16. The church of Philadelphia was promised deliverance from "the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth" (Rev. 3:10).

17. It is characteristic of divine dealing to deliver believers before a divine judgment is inflicted on the world as illustrated in the deliverance of Noah, Lot, Rahab, etc. (2 Peter 2:5-9).

18. At the time of the translation of the church, all believers go to the Father's house in heaven (John 14:3) and do not immediately return to the earth after meeting Christ in the air as postribulationists teach.

19. Pretribulationism does not divide the body of Christ at the Rapture on a works principle. The teaching of a partial rapture is based on the false doctrine that the translation of the church is a reward for good works. It is rather a climactic aspect of salvation by grace.

20. The Scriptures clearly teach that all, not part, of the church will be raptured at the coming of Christ for the church (1 Cor. 15:51-52; 1 Thess. 4:17).

21. As opposed to a view of a partial rapture, pretribulationism is founded on the definite teaching of Scripture that the death of Christ frees from all condemnation.

22. The godly remnant of the Tribulation are pictured as Israelites, not members of the church as maintained by the posttribulationists.

23. The pretribulational view, as opposed to posttribulationism, does not confuse general terms like elect and saints, which apply to the saved of all ages, with specific terms like church and those in Christ, which refer to believers of this age only.

Doctrine of Imminency
24. The pretribulational interpretation teaches that the coming of Christ is actually imminent.

25. The exhortation to be comforted by the coming of the Lord (1 Thess. 4:18) is very significant in the pretribulational view and is especially contradicted by most posttribulationists.

26. The exhortation to look for "the glorious appearing" of Christ to His own (Titus 2:13) loses its significance if the Tribulation must intervene first. Believers in that case should look for signs.

27. The exhortation to purify ourselves in view of the Lord's return has most significance if His coming is imminent (1 John 3:2-3).

28. The church is uniformly exhorted to look for the coming of the Lord, while believers in the Tribulation are directed to look for signs.

The Work of the Holy Spirit
29. The Holy Spirit as the restrainer of evil cannot be taken out of the world unless the church, which the Spirit indwells, is translated at the same time. The Tribulation cannot begin until this restraint is lifted.

30. The Holy Spirit as the restrainer must be taken out of the world before "the lawless one," who dominates the tribulation period, can be revealed (2 Thess. 2:6-8).

31. If the expression "except there come a falling away first" (KJV) is translated literally, "except the "departure" come first," it would plainly show the necessity of the Rapture taking place before the beginning of the Tribulation.

Necessity of an Interval Between the Rapture and the Second Coming
32. According to 2 Corinthians 5:10, all believers of this age must appear before the judgment seat of Christ in heaven, an event never mentioned in the detailed accounts connected with the second coming of Christ to the earth.

33. If the twenty-four elders of Revelation 4:1-5:14 are representative of the church as many expositors believe, it would necessitate the rapture and reward of the church before the Tribulation.

34. The coming of Christ for His bride must take place before the Second Coming to the earth for the wedding feast (Rev. 19:7-10).

35. Tribulation saints are not translated at the second coming of Christ but carry on ordinary occupations such as farming and building houses, and they will bear children (Isa. 65:20-25). This would be impossible if the translation had taken place at the Second Coming to the earth, as posttribulationists teach.

36. The judgment of the Gentiles following the Second Coming (Matt. 25:31-46) indicates that both saved and unsaved are still in their natural bodies. This would be impossible if the translation had taken place at the Second Coming.

37. If the translation took place in connection with the Second Coming to the earth, there would be no need of separating the sheep from the goats at a subsequent judgment, but the separation would have taken place in the very act of the translation of the believers before Christ actually sets up His throne on earth (Matt. 25:31).

38. The judgment of Israel (Ezek. 20:34-38), which occurs subsequent to the Second Coming, indicates the necessity of regathering Israel. The separation of the saved from the unsaved in this judgment obviously takes place sometime after the Second Coming and would be unnecessary if the saved had previously been separated from the unsaved by translation.

Contrast Between the Rapture and the Second Coming
39. At the time of the Rapture the saints meet Christ in the air, while at the Second Coming Christ returns to the Mount of Olives to meet the saints on earth.

40. At the time of the Rapture the Mount of Olives is unchanged, while at the Second Coming it divides and a valley is formed to the east of Jerusalem (Zech. 14:4-5).

41. At the Rapture living saints are translated, while no saints are translated in connection with the second coming of Christ to the earth.

42. At the Rapture the saints go to heaven, while at the Second Coming to the earth the saints remain in the earth without translation.

43. At the time of the Rapture the world is unjudged and continues in sin, while at the Second Coming the world is judged and righteousness is established on the earth.

44. The translation of the church is pictured as a deliverance before the day of wrath, while the Second Coming is followed by the deliverance of those who have believed in Christ during the Tribulation.

45. The Rapture is described as imminent, while the Second Coming is preceded by definite signs.

46. The translation of living believers is a truth revealed only in the New Testament, while the Second Coming with its attendant events is a prominent doctrine of both Testaments.

47. The Rapture concerns only the saved, while the Second Coming deals with both saved and unsaved.

48. At the Rapture Satan is not bound, while at the Second Coming Satan is bound and cast into the abyss.

49. No unfulfilled prophecy stands between the church and the Rapture, while many signs must be fulfilled before the Second Coming.

50. No passage dealing with the resurrection of saints at the Second Coming ever mentions translation of living saints at the same time.


Written by: John F. Walvoord
(The Rapture Question, Zondervan)

http://www.biblicist.org/bible/fifty.shtml

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

All of this is just so incredible..!
Maranatha!
ALL GLORY TO GOD

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

That would be my guess as well.. "gone before"
This vote thing is not going to go well at all.
With bho threatening Isreal and demanding them to appologise, which they knew Isreal would not do so... is a clear sign of what is to come.

The fact that they, Isreal, made their response public, is gonna really tick bho off.

Many things are not going his way in the last few days and it's getting uglier by the moment.. I fully expect that the world will see a side of him that will blow people away.

Harsh, harsh judgement will fall on the USA if he follows through without veto on that vote on Sept 20th.

GOD already knows what he will do. bho already knows what he about to do.

I would agree again, that The Rapture will happen right at that time.. I cannot see GOD punishing The Church for a decision that is made by him. He does speak for or represent Christians in America.

Buckle up - I'd say we're probalby going to go home shortly.

Maranatha!

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

Sandra,

You may be right after all; time will tell! We don't have to wait long now...Wow...it is so incredible all that has been happening isn't it!!!

I read that the UN vote has been moved to Sept. 23 now, as far as the statehood of Palestine is concerned.

Yes I totally agree, we are going to go home very shortly...any day now...!

Maranatha!

Valerie

Re: Palestinians set formal date to request UN vote!!!

If this goes through, for which O refuses to veto his consternation towards the illegal Pally state...the U.S. will most definately receive THE curse...

Hopefully 'n' fully beginning with our Rapture this week. Meanwhile, I'll keep ing for the peace & blessing for Jerusalem, Israel.

PLEASE COME QUICKLY, LORD JESUS!!!

Maranatha!
Tammy

P.S. In Left Behind: The Movie, Israel was attacked first before the Rapture...for which he (Israel) was defended with aid of supernatural forces. Then Elias (Elijah) made himself known to Buck Williams, for which he announced (indicating the Tribulation Period)--"Seven more year."

The Raptured happened next, as Buck was onboard Captain Rayford Steele's plane.

Tim LaHaye truly knows his Biblical Prophecy too!!!