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Almost ready with the Excel thread. Until then, here's the whole list:
(Note: I am going to send an Excel file for you to add your actual rankings to.)
21 Grams (Inarritu, 2003, USA)
25th Hour (Spike Lee, 2002, USA)
4 Luni, 3 Septamami si 2 Zile (4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days) (Mungiu, 2007, Romania)
(500) Days of Summer (Webb, 2009, USA)
Adaptation (Jonze, 2002, USA)
A History Of Violence (Cronenberg, 2005, USA)
A. I. (Spielberg, 2001, USA)
American Splendor (Berman/Pulcini, 2003, USA)
Amores Perros (Inarritu, 2000, Mexico)
A Serious Man (Coen, 2009, USA)
Babel (Inarritu, 2006, USA)
Before Sunset (Linklater, 2004, USA)
Bin-Jip (3-Iron) (Kim, 2004, South Korea)
Bom yeoreum gaeul gyeoul geurigo bom (Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter…and Spring) (Kim, 2003, South Korea)
Borat (Charles, 2006, USA)
Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee, 2005, USA)
Capote (Miller, 2005, USA)
Children Of Men (Cuaron, 2006, UK)
Cidade de Dues (City of God) (Meirelles/Lund, 2002, Brazil)
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Ang Lee, 2000, Taiwan)
Dancer In The Dark (Von Trier, 2000, USA)
Das Leben der Anderen (Donnersmarck, 2006, Germany)
Das Weise Band (The White Ribbon) (Haneke, 2009, Austria)
Der Untergang (Downfall) (Hirschbiegel, 2004, Germany)
District 9 (Blomkamp, 2009, USA)
Dogville (Von Trier, 2003, USA)
Donnie Darko (Kelly, 2001, USA)
Eastern Promises (Cronenberg, 2007, USA)
Entre les Murs (The Class) (Cantet, 2008, France)
El laberinto del fauno (Pan's Labyrinth) (Del Toro, 2006, Spain)
El Secrete de Sus Ojos (The Secret In Their Eyes) (Campanella, 2009, Argentina)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Gondry, 2004, USA)
Far From Heaven (Haynes, 2002, USA)
Gegen Die Wand (Head-On) (Akin, 2004, Germany)
Gomorrah (Garrone, 2008, Italy)
Gran Torino (Eastwood, 2008, USA)
Grizzly Man (Herzog, 2005, USA)
Ghost World (Zwigoff, 2001, USA)
Habla Con Ella (Talk To Her) (Almodovar, 2002, Spain)
I'm Not There (Raynes, 2007, USA)
Inglorious Bastards (Tarantino, 2009, USA)
Inside Man (Spike Lee, 2006, USA)
In The Mood For Love (Wong, 2000, Hong Kong)
Juno (Reitman, 2007, USA)
Lat den ratte komma in (Let The Right One In) (Alfredson, 2008, Sweden)
Kill Bill Vol 1 (Tarantino, 2003, USA)
Kill Bill Vol 2 (Tarantino, 2004, USA)
La Mala Educacion (Bad Education) (Almodovar, 2004, Spain)
La Scaphandre et le Papillion (The Diving Bell And The Butterfly) (Schnabel, 2007, France)
Le fabuleux destin d'Amelie Poulain (Amelie) (Jeunet, 2001, France)
Le Got Des Autres (The Taste Of Others) (Jaoui, 2000, France)
Le Meglio Gioventu (The Best Of Youth) (Giordana, 2003, Italy)
L'enfant (The Child) (Dardenne, 2005, Belgium)
Les Invasion Barbares (The Barbarian Invasions) (Arcand, 2003, France)
Letters From Iwo Jima (Eastwood, 2006, USA)
Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring (Jackson, 2001, USA)
Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers (Jackson, 2002, USA)
Lord Of The Rings: Return Of The King (Jackson, 2003, USA)
Lost In Translation (Coppola, 2003, USA)
Mary and Max (Elliot, 2009, Australia)
Memento (Nolan, 2000, USA)
Million Dollar Baby (Eastwood, 2004, USA)
Minority Report (Spielberg, 2002, USA)
Moon (Jones, 2009, UK)
Mullholland Drive (Lynch, 2001, USA)
Mystic River (Eastwood, 2003, USA)
No Country For Old Men (Coen, 2007, USA)
O Brother, Where Art Thou (Coen, 2000, USA)
Persepolis (Paronnaud/Satrapi, 2007, France)
Punch Drunk Love (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2002, USA)
Requiem For A Dream (Aronofsky, 2000, USA)
Sideways (Payne, 2004, USA)
Sin City (Miller/Rodriguez/Tarantino, 2005, USA)
Spirited Away (Miyazaki, 2001, Japan)
Superbad (Apatow, 2007, USA)
Thank You For Smoking (Reitman, 2005, USA)
The Bourne Identity (Liman, 2002, USA)
The Constant Gardener (Meirelles, 2005, UK)
The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button (Fincher, 2008, USA)
The Dark Knight (Nolan, 2008, USA)
The Departed (Scorcese, 2006, USA)
The Hurt Locker (Bigelow, 2008, USA)
The Incredibles (Bird, 2004, USA)
The Man Who Wasn't There (Coen, 2001, USA)
The Pianist (Polanski, 2002, Poland)
There Will Be Blood (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2007, USA)
The Royal Tenenbaums (Wes Anderson, 2001, USA)
The Squid And The Whale (Baumbach, 2005, USA)
The Wrestler (Aronofsky, 2008, USA)
Traffic (Sodenbergh, 2000, USA)
United 93 (Greengrass, 2006, USA)
Un Prophete (A Prophet) (Audiard, 2009, France)
Up (Docter/Peterson, 2009, USA)
Vals Im Bashir (Waltz With Bashir) (Folson, 2008, Israel)
V For Vendetta (McTeigue, 2005, USA)
Wall-E (Stanton, 2008, USA)
Yi Yi (A One And A Two) (Yang, 2000, Taiwan)
Y Tu Mama Tambien (Cuaron, 2001, Mexico)
Zodiac (Fincher, 2007, USA)
A few statistics. Breaking it down by country:
2 films: South Korea, Mexico, Taiwan
1 film: Argenttina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Hong Kong, Israel, Japan, Poland, Romania, Sweden
Directors with multiple films:
4: Coen, Eastwood
3: Inarritu, Jackson
2: Almodovar, P T Anderson, Aronofsky, Cronenberg, Cuaron, Fincher, Kim, S Lee, A Lee, Meirelles, Nolan, Reitman, Spielberg, Von Trier
Looks like I was incorrect about the Coens being the only directors with 4 films.
All I have left to watch is Inside Man which I'm halfway through, L'enfant, Mary and Max and maybe Benjamin Button and Superbad.
Since Benjamin Button is going to be available instantly on Netflix, that greatly increases my odds of watching it. And I just realized Fight Club was by Fincher too, so now I know there's a film by him I like. Zodiac was okay, anyway. I guess my problem with it was it tried to be a historical drama and a slasher film at the same time, and that caused it to lack narrative focus. That and I felt the murder scenes were a little too drawn out and voyeuristic.
That are only 99 films Bill.
-- List removed to keep the results interesting. --
Why not take this month to watch some of those films instead of voting on the first day?
Also, the missing film is Little Miss Sunshine.
Little Miss Sunshine can go to 43.
PLEASE DO NOT VOTE IN THIS THREAD!
Wait for Bill's Excel sheet and send your ballot by email to him. That way, the outcome of the poll will be more interesting.
What Henrik said.
Yes, I left out Little Miss Sunshine. I actually noticed that mistake for the sheet I was working on but forgot to add it to the list I copy/pasted here.
When I saw 5 responses I expected people to be calling me on getting some of the countries of origin wrong.
How do people get all those images they use in other polls? Do they steal them from RYM and put them up on a website somewhere or just pillage the web for clips?
Gillingham: I've taken the liberty to edit your post for you, hope you don't mind. BillAdama will indubitably post the individual lists for everyone to peruse, but we've always done the final lists in secret so as to keep the outcome somewhat of a surprise.
BillAdama: Usually just random images through Google.
I'm sure Bill will reveal the individual ballots after the results have finished.
Indeed. Also every entry will have lists of who put them in their top and bottom ten, plus there will be an option for comments.
Plus, I thought I'd do an extra chart, and include an exposure-adjusted ranking in addition to the normal ranking. That is, for each film, for the ballots that listed it, figure out the average difference between the ranking it got and the points it would have gotten if unranked. Then, add that amount of points times the number of ballots that didn't list it. That way, we find out which films are more underexposed.
Here's the file.
Edit: Oh, I almost forgot. I might as well re-use the mail account I made for the moderate poll. Send ballots to AMModeratePoll@gmail.com.
Deadline for this?
End of September.
But, for this I won't make it a hard deadline. If it reaches midnight on September 30, and somebody says "Oops, I forgot to make it, can I get it in tomorrow?" That will be fine.
You spelled Inglourious Basterds right ... which, of course, means you spelled it wrong.
I won't have time to watch the films of the 100 which I haven't already watched, but have voted in most of the year brackets. Is it worth me making a ballot?
Everyone can vote! Everyone who ranks >=2 of the 100 movies will make a difference.
Everyone's welcome to vote. There should be some mainstream oriented ballots to balance out the artsy ones anyway.
The beautiful thing about the formula we're using is that it doesn't penalize films you haven't seen too much. Your favorites will get a lot of points, but the last half of your list will get less points than the ones you haven't seen.
Hey Stephan, how soon are you thinking of starting the 90's poll? I'm thinking I should get a head start on the watching, if it's soon after the conclusion of this poll.
I should probably start compiling a list.
@Nassim: Which Almodovar did you see? If it's Talk To Her, don't bother with Bad Education. But if it's Bad Education, you might still like Talk To Her. It's far better and more accessible. (In fact, I would have much rather qualified Broken Embraces or Volver than Bad Education.)
Yeah, I was thinking we could start pretty much immediately unless someone objects. I am considering extending the periods to three weeks though, because I can imagine people have seen fewer films from the '90s.
Opinions or objections anyone?
I wouldn't necessarily assume that. *I've* seen a lot less movies from the 90s, but I have a feeling particularly some of the older European voters have seen more.
Anyone have strong recommendations to make? At this point the only ones I'm sure I want to see are The Thin Red Line and Satantango, and the only ones I know I'm not willing to watch are Titanic and JFK.
Speaking of which, does anybody know a reasonably priced way to see Satantango without having to spend two weeks of Netflix queue on it?
I've seen La Mala Educacion indeed, and I'm pretty sure it will end at the bottom of my list...
I might watch Habla Con Ella someday, but it won't be my priority : I only have 2 weeks left to see as much movies as I can, I'm on work trip 3 days among those 2 weeks and I've only seen 40 movies of the list so far !
I personally wasn't that impressed by Satantango, although it is kind of impressive that it managed not to entirely bore me to death in those 7 hours. No idea where to get it other than just downloading it, though.
Thinking of the nineties, 2 TV series spring to mind: "The Kingdom" by Lars von Trier, and especially "Die Zweite Heimat" by Edgar Reitz; other than that the movie "Festen" by Thomas Vinterberg
In my opinion we could start right away.
Some 90's recommendations that haven't been mentioned yet:
- Tierra (Julio Medem)
- Magnolia (Paul Thomas Anderson)
- Fargo (Joel & Ethan Coen)
- Naked (Mike Leigh)
- The Insider (Michael Mann)
Fargo and Magnolia are excellent, I only didn't mention them because I've already seen them. In fact, I would speculate that Coen Brothers will once again be the most nominated directors. It's amazing how consistent they manage to be.
If I was making recommendations for films I'd already seen, I'd say:
Red/Blue (Three Colors Trilogy)
All About My Mother
Does anyone know where I can see Breaking The Waves or Puppetmaster? These are two films high on my list that aren't on Netflix. Not to mention stuff by Kiarostami or Bartas, two directors I'm very interested in who barely have anything on Netflix.
Other than researching which films on my list stream instantly on Netflix, I'm trying to build a 1990 list. I'm thinking Dances With Wolves and Edward Scissorhands should be in the 'Only see if they qualify' category. (Besides, I already saw the 3d sequel to Dances!)
Besides the obvious ones such as Schindler's List, The Shawshank Redemption, American Beauty, The Usual Suspects, Fight Club and Goodfellas, I also really love Léon (#2 of all-time), La Vita È Bella, and The Straight Story.
With regards to mini-series, Le Comte de Monte Cristo by Josée Dayan is awesome and will definitely feature in my top 10 for 1998. The only other foreign film I really enjoyed from the '90s is Chungking Express, so yeah, a lot of gaps in my film knowledge for the '90s.
Video rental store? What is...
Oh, yes. They are those things having going out of business sales. I seem to recall them once providing other services.
There's Barnes and Nobles, Newbury Comics, FYE, and Borders, but none are cheaper than shopping used on Amazon, and if I'm going to be bulk-watching movies, that isn't an option with my current income.
Apparently Paris Texas is 1984. For some reason I thought it was 1991. I'll just have to wait nine or ten months to vote for it.
I'm having trouble finding films that jump out as ones I need to see other than people's recommendations and directors I'm already familiar with, so I think I'll wait for the actual votes to decide what to see.
Favourites from the '90s that everybody haven't already seen:
Festen [The Celebration] (looks like it's going to do very well in our poll!)
Black Cat, White Cat
Fucking Åmål [Show Me Love]
Une liaison pornographique [An Affair of Love]
Eat Drink Man Woman
Leaving Las Vegas
Dead Man Walking
At the moment I am looking for films from 1990 in particular, because I haven't seen very many films from that year.
The only recommendation I can make that isn't obvious or a mainstream action film is Close-Up.
I've got Ju Dou, Miller's Crossing, The Grifters, Wild At Heart all queued up on Netflix, plus I'll add anything that more than one person ranks rather high.
If mainstream action films are your bag, check out Total Recall, Back to the Future 3 or Die Hard 2. Great year for popcorn action.
In French films, I quickly recommend (with my notation)
Cyrano De Bergerac 20/20
Van Gogh 14/20
Monsieur Hire 14/20
La gloire de mon père 17/20
Le chateau de ma mère 17/20
Le mari de la coiffeuse 15/20
Tous les matins du monde 17/20
La reine Margot 16/20
Les roseaux sauvages 18/20
Tatie Danielle 14/20
Ma saison préférée 15/20
Le péril Jeune 17/20
La Haine 19/20
La cité des enfants perdus 17/20
Un air de famille 19/20
La cérémonie 18/20
Les voleurs 17/20
On connaît la chanson 20/20
Le cinquième élément 14/20
Marius et Jeanette 17/20
La vie rêvée des anges 18/20
l 627 14/20
La belle noiseuse 13/20
Un coeur en hiver 17/20
Trois couleurs : Bleu 18/20
Trois couleurs : Blanc 17/20
Trois couleurs : Rouge 15/20
Les patriotes 13/20
Mina Tannenbaum 14/20
Chacun cherche son chat 13/20
Le bonheur est dans le pré 15/20
Ceux qui m'aiment prendront le train 16/20
Le dîner de cons 15/20
Vénus Beauté (institut) 14/20
La bûche 17/20
LA parenthèse enchantée 12/20
MA petite entreprise 13/20
Is the Excel spreadsheet somewhere around here?
Yep, it's in the 12th post. Here it is again.
Thanks for the recommendations. I've seen most of them already though.
But still, I should see Ju Dou some time anyway. That one could be quite interesting and I tend to like Yimou Zhang's films.
I just saw Ju Dou. I liked it a lot. It's thematically similar to Raise the Red Lantern. I suppose Zhang was really into showing how women were seen as having no identity apart from their husbands' in the 90s. The one thing about the movie I don't get is the behavior of the child. I suppose it's supposed to be symbolic of the judgment of society.
Looking at his list of movies I think he's going to be a bigger presence in the 90's poll than the 00's.
Speaking of Zhang Yimou, can anyone give me an opinion on A Woman, A Gun, and A Noodle Shop? It's getting mixed reviews, and I'm concerned it'll spoil the plot of Blood Simple.
None of Resnais' 90's stuff seems to be available in this country.
With one week left to submit ballots, I have received them from the following:
Greg, Romain, Guy, myself.
With only four ballots in, there's already a film with a significant lead. There's also one film that's appeared in two top tens and two bottom tens. (And with this formula, that puts it in 15th place.)
I have now received ballots from Antonious, Gillingham, Michel, and Nassim.
Right now it seems to be between three films for the #1 spot. A few predictable ones in the top ten or twenty, a few not predictable ones. There's at least four more ballots I'd be surprised not to get (Stephan, Henrik, Petri, Harold), so there's still plenty of time for massive changes.
@Romain: The way it is, a high vote outweighs a low vote by about five times. Maybe that's a bit much, but I think it's a very good idea to have the high votes outbalance the low votes. I'd rather have my favorites do well than my least favorites do badly, and it also discourages strategic votes ("I like movie A but I'd like movie B to win, and A is it's best competition, so I'll put A in last.").
Got my list wrapped up, but I still have two films to watch (Le Goût Des Autres and Gegen Die Wand) for which I'll hopefully find some time the next two days. Either way, you'll receive my list on the 30th.
I have now received ballots from Harold Wexler and nj.
Voting closes tomorrow at the end of the day. I will continue to accept ballots until I post the first results, but I'm eager to start rolling them out, so that will probably happen earlyish on October 1st.
So if anyone needs a one or two day extension, now's the time to ask. If you are very short on time and have absolutely no time to fill out the excel sheet, and you absolutely must, it's okay to just mail me the list shorthand. Just, that would make processing your vote take a lot more time on my end.
Also, can I get a breakdown of the continent of residence of the voters? I think I'm also going to break down American votes versus European votes. I *think* it's only me, Guy, Harold, and Greg America and everybody else Europe, but I'm not sure about half of them.
I just sent my list.
I'll send mine out later tonight.
I sent mine as well.
For me: The Netherlands and thus Europe.
Going to watch Gegen die Wand right now, but I can't watch Les Goût des Autres before tomorrow.
If you two need a one day extension you can have it.
Here's what I think I'm going to do for the format of the entries:
Position: Movie name
# votes cast:
Image from movie
Lovers: (Any top 10 mentions that are also in the top half of rankings. That is, if you only ranked 13 movies, only your top 6 will be mentioned).
Haters: (Bottom tenth mentions)
Rank among Americans:
Rank among Europeans:
Exposure adjusted rank: (Points - Points a film gets if nobody ranked it at all) / Votes cast
Also, please correct this list if it is wrong:
American: BillAdama, Alex D, Guy, Greg, Harold Wexler
European: Gillingham, Antonious, Romain, nj, Stephan, Henrik, Nassim, Michel, Petri
Thanks, that would be great. I will send my list as soon as possible tomorrow morning/afternoon.
And John is American.
List sent.... and yep I'm American but I think you'll see that from the movies I was able to rank.
I’m British, so European. I know, that means I’ve posted ridiculously late on a few occasions, but it was my summer holiday and The Simpsons poll had to get done!
Looks like it’ll have great presentation though.
Looks good Bill!
So everybody is either European or American? That's a pity...
Finally sent in my list, would've been better for Le Goût Des Autres if I hadn't seen it, but oh well.
These 100 films make an excellent example of why films are still great in the '00s. I would rate all films until 80 with an 8.0/10, or very good, rating. And there are only a handful of films on the list I really didn't enjoy.
I'm very curious as to the results, one thing that might be interesting to mention during the unveiling is the place the films occupied in the top 10 of its particular year.
I can add that.
Now that John and Stephan have submitted their ballots, I'll officially close the vote. I'll start unveiling them in the evening.
What I'll say now is, there is a 2.56 point difference between #1 and #2.
This is going to be fun. I have no idea who will win.