Same rules as before.

Vote for up to ten albums ranked 1001-1100 on AM. Maximum points you can give are 20-17-15-13-11-10-9-8-7-6. You can give fewer points, but you can't redistribute points.

Top five point getters move onto the elimination round. You have until next Tuesday midnight board time to submit a ballot.

I actually have 28 albums to choose from for this round, more than last round, but only a few I really like. A few of my favorites from the last few years, though.

I,m really struggling here (I have less than 10 of these albums) so I,m just gonna give a top 5. That is allowed?

1. Strawberry Jam - Animal Collective
2. Apologies to the Queen Mary - Wolf Parade
3. The crane wife - The Decemberists
4. Fever to tell - Yeah Yeah Yeahs
5. Trompe le Monde - The Pixies

1. Metallica- Ride the Lightning
2. Sebadoh- Bakesale
3. Decemberists- The Crane Wife
4. Guns 'n Roses- Use Your Illusion I
5. The Damned- Damned, Damned, Damned
6. Jayhawks- Hollywood Town Hall
7. Bob Dylan- Another Side of Bob Dylan
8. Built To Spill- Perfect From Now On
9. Squeeze- East Side Story
10. Meat Puppets- II

1. Fugazi - The Argument
2. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever To Tell
3. Frank Zappa - Absolutely Free
4. Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam
5. Godspeed You Black Emperor - F#A#Infinity
6. The Decemberists - The Crane Wife
7. Animal Collective - Feels
8. Meat Puppets - II
9. Wilco - Sky Blue Sky
10. Moby - Everything Is Wrong

1. Frank Sinatra - September of My Years
2. Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst
3. The Rolling Stones - Tattoo You
4. Jerry Lee Lewis - Live at the Star Club
5. Marshall Crenshaw - Marshall Crenshaw
6. Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
7. Ice Cube - Death Certificate
8. The Jayhawks - Hollywood Town Hall
9. Psychedelic Furs - Talk Talk Talk
10. The Go-Betweens - Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond Express

Beans: You don't have to get to 10. I suspect it's going to start getting hard for a lot of people the lower and lower we go on the chart.

My ballot:
The Decemberists - The Crane Wife
Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk
Joni Mitchell - Ladies Of The Canyon
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever To Tell
Elvis Costello - Trust
Wolf Parade - Apologies To Queen Mary
Meat Puppets - II
Godspeed You Black Emperor - F#A#
Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam
The Psychadelic Furs - Talk Talk Talk

For once, thanks to Eastern free days, I had time to listen to a few albums I had not heard before.

1. Animal Collective - Feels
2. Rage Against the Machine - The Battle of Los Angeles (that high thanks to a bit of nostalgy here maybe...)
3. Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam
4. Eminem - The Eminem Show
5. Metallica - Ride the Lightning
6. Built to Spill - Perfect from Now On
7. De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
8. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever to Tell
9. Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk
10. Cypress Hill - Black Sunday

Not totally convinced my the bottom 3, some great songs anyway.

1. STEVIE WONDER "Music of My Mind" (#93 in my all-time list)
2. THE CURE "Three Imaginary Boys / Boys Don't Cry"
3. DEXYS MIDNIGHT RUNNERS "Too-Rye-Ay"
4. BOB DYLAN "Another Side of Bob Dylan"
5. MAGAZINE "The Correct use of Soap"
6. OS MUTANTES "Os Mutantes"
7. THE JAYHAWKS "Hollywood Town Hall"
8. MARVIN GAYE "Midnight Love"
9. ALI FARKA TOURÉ "Savane"
10. TINDERSTICKS "Tindersticks"

1. Tindersticks - Tindersticks
2. The Psychedelic Furs - Talk Talk Talk
3. Four Tet - Rounds
4. The Stranglers - Stranglers IV - Rattus Norvegicus
5. The Cure - Three Imaginary Boys/Boys Don't Cry
6. Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Let Love In
7. Placebo - Without You I'm Nothing
8. Stereo MC's - Connected
9. Rage Against the Machine - The Battle of Los Angeles
10. Magazine - The Correct Use of Soap

The top 10 is maybe even better than in 501-600 and that was an amazing group of albums. Feels would have been in my top 3 in every other group (except 501-600) and #1 in many groups.

1. Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk
2. Lambchop - Nixon
3. Metallica - Ride the Lightning
4. Wolf Parade - Apologies to the Queen Mary
5. Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas
6. Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam
7. Animal Collective - Feels
8. The Decemberists - The Crane Wife
9. Scott Walker - Tilt
10. Godspeed You Black Emperor! - F#A#Infinity

1. Joni Mitchell: Ladies of the Canyon, 1970
2. Leonard Cohen: Songs from a Room, 1969
3. Dexys Midnight Runners: Too-Rye-Ay, 1982
4. Neil Young and Crazy Horse: Sleeps with Angels, 1994
5. Elvis Costello and The Attractions: Trust, 1981
6. Belle and Sebastian: Tigermilk, 1996
7. The Jayhawks: Hollywood Town Hall, 1992
8. Tindersticks: Tindersticks, 1993
9. Sting: The Dream of the Blue Turtles, 1985
10. Lambchop: Nixon, 2000

1. The Cure - Three Imaginary Boys
2. Mary Margaret O'Hara - Miss America
3. Built to Spill - Perfect from Now On
4. Jerry Lee Lewis - Live at the Star Club
5. Bunny Wailer - Blackheart Man
6. The Jayhawks - Hollywood Town Hall
7. Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Let Love In
8. Stevie Wonder - Music of My Mind
9. Norah Jones - Come Away with Me
10. Black Sabbath - Master of Reality

1. Norah Jones - Come Away With Me
2. Muddy Waters - Folk Singer
3. Miles Davis - Miles Smiles
4. Judy Garland - Judy At Carnegie Hall
5. The Decemberists - The Crane Wife
6. Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam
7. Ice Cube - The Predator
8. Weezer - Weezer (Green Album)
9. Miles Davis - Cookin' with the Miles Davis Quintet
10. Rage Against The Machine - Battle of LA

01. Unit Structures. Cecil Taylor
02. Os Mutantes
03. Doc At The Radar Station. Captain Beefheart
04. Machine Gun. Peter Brötzmann
05. The Perfect Prescription. Spacemen 3
06. Feels. Animal Collective
07. Fire Music. Archie Shepp
08. September Of My Years. Frank Sinatra
09. Lazer-Guided Melodies. Spiritualized
10. Tijuana Moods. Charles Mingus

1. Wolf Parade – Apologies to the Queen Mary
2. Rush – 2112
3. The Decemberists – The Crane Wife
4. Wilco – Sky Blue Sky
5. Spiritualized – Lazer-Guided Melodies
6. Godspeed You! Black Emperor – F#A#infinity
7. The Psychedelic Furs – Talk Talk Talk
8. Cocteau Twins – Heaven or Las Vegas
9. The Verve – A Northern Soul
10. Pixies – Trompe le Monde

The Wolf Parade album is great, the rest not so much.

1. Os Mutantes - Os Mutantes
2. Leonard Cohen - Songs From A Room
3. The Teardrop Explodes - Kilimanjaro
4. Dr Octagon - Dr Octagonecologyst
5. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever To Tell
6. Placebo - Without You I'm Nothing
7. Ultramagnetic MCs - Critical Beatdown
8. Norah Jones - Come Away With Me
9. Joni Mitchell - Ladies of the Canyon
10. Guns N Roses - Use Your Illusion I

Not much to choose from, but the top 4 are pretty great.

1) Bob Dylan - Another Side of Bob Dylan
2) Neil Young and Crazy Horse - Sleeps With Angels
3) Norah Jones - Come Away With Me
4) Neil Young and Crazy Horse - Weld
5) Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk
6) The Eagles - Desperado
7) Leonard Cohen - Songs From A Room

Only 7.. lots of stuff I haven't heard as well as lots of stuff I don't nearly like enough to include in a top10.

The first three on my list are some of my all time favorites:

1. Fugazi - The Argument
2. Built To Spill - Perfect From Now On
3. Meat Puppets - II
4. Sebadoh - Bakesale
5. Husker Du - Flip Your Wig
6. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever To Tell
7. Pixies - Trompe Le Monde
8. De La Soul - De la soul is dead
9. Spiritualized - Lazer Guided Melodies
10. The Clash - Give 'em Enough Rope


Three I would like to have heard: Metallica, Ice Cube, The Damned

1. Jerry Lee Lewis LIVE AT THE STAR CLUB
2. The Jayhawks HOLLYWOOD TOWN HALL
3. Madonna TRUE BLUE
4. The Eagles DESPERADO
5. Weezer WEEZER (GREEN ALBUM)
6. The Raconteurs BROKEN BOY SOLDIERS
7. Judy Garland JUDY AT CARNEGIE HALL
8. Frank Sinatra SEPTEMBER OF MY YEARS
9. Marshall Crenshaw MARSHALL CRENSHAW
10.The Rolling Stones TATTOO YOU

HONORABLE MENTION

The Cure BOYS DON’T CRY
Belle and Sebastian TIGERMILK

Based on several people's comments, this already seems to be a most owned albums poll rather than a most loved albums poll. As I don't think that was the purpose, this bothers me a bit. How do you feel about only giving points to our top 5 albums in the coming polls?

I've been able to come with 10 albums I really like everytime so far, in fact, I've had to make cuts everytime. So I guess I'd be for sticking with 10.

Actually a little better for me than the previous batch; #1-4 are very good indeed.

1. Jerry Lee Lewis, Live at the Star Club
2. Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Fever to Tell
3. Meat Puppets, II
4. Squeeze, East Side Story
5. Pretenders, Learning to Crawl
6. Marshall Crenshaw, s/t
7. Neil Young & Crazy Horse, Sleeps with Angels
8. Wilco, Sky Blue Sky
9. Husker Du, Flip Your Wig
10. Sonny Rollins, Tenor Madness

1 - Lambchop - Nixon
2 - Tindersticks - Tindersticks
3 - Jones, Norah - Come Away with Me
4 - Wailer, Bunny - Blackheart Man
5 - Sting - The Dream of the Blue Turtles
6 - Newman, Randy - Little Criminals
7 - Decemberists - The Crane Wife
8 - Cure - Three Imaginary Boys/Boys Don't Cry
9 - Jayhawks - Hollywood Town Hall
10 - Madonna - True Blue

1. Animal Collective - Feels
2. Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam
3. Stevie Wonder - Music of My Mind
4. Thom Yorke - The Eraser
5. The Clash - Give Em Enough Rope
6. Wilco - Sky Blue Sky
7. Bunny Wailer - Black Heart Man
8. Bob Dylan - Another Side of Bob Dylan
9. Eminem - The Eminem Show
10. The Raconteurs - Broken Boy Soldiers

Why are people voting for one Animal Collective album and not the other? Don't be afraid to voice your support for both Animal Collective albums! Where's Kevin?

How far down the list does game last? I was looking at 1801-2000 and I still can definitely find 10 albums that I like in that range. I don't consider all of my top 10's to be great albums but they are all good albums that I still listen to once in awhile.

Kevin has probably passed out from over excitement after seeing Merriweather make the Clash magazine list. Just kidding.

I agree that, maybe for the entirety of this, the results may have ended up being "most owned" results. Not trying to be judgmental, as I'm not sure how to avoid this. Maybe only by scoring Top 5's?

Anyway, here's my Top 20 from this group. Top 2 are both in my All-Time Top 30; quality between each 100 has stayed relative stable IMO.

[01] Os Mutantes - Os Mutantes
[02] Miles Davis - Miles Smiles
[03] Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures
[04] Jerry Lee Lewis - Live at the Star Club
[05] Magazine - The Correct Use of Soap
[06] Scott Walker - Tilt
[07] Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun
[08] Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst
[09] Spacemen 3 - Perfect Prescription
[10] Lambchop - Nixon

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[11] Ultramagnetic MCs - Critical Beatdown
[12] Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
[13] De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
[14] Stevie Wonder - Music of My Mind
[15] Frank Sinatra - September of My Years
[16] Charles Mingus - Tijuana Moods/New Tijuana Moods
[17] Metallica - Ride the Lightning
[18] Archie Shepp - Fire Music
[19] Pixies - Trompe le Monde
[20] Elvis Costello and The Attractions - Trust

1. Pretenders, LEARNING TO CRAWL
2. The Psychedelic Furs, TALK TALK TALK
3. The Decemberists, THE CRANE WIFE
4. Squeeze, EAST SIDE STORY
5. Husker Du, FLIP YOUR WIG
6. MEAT PUPPETS II
7. The Mothers of Invention, ABSOLUTELY FREE
8. OS MUTANTES
9. Sebadoh, BAKESALE
10. Neil Young and Crazy Horse, WELD

1 Buddy Holly Buddy Holly
2 Joni Mitchell Ladies Of The Canyon
3 Wilco Blue Sky Blue
4 Neil Young Sleeps With Angels
5 Nick Cave Let Love In
6 Marvin Gaye Midnight Love

Only scoring top 5 is one idea. Another is going back to the original top-heavy scoring scheme.

I'd be happy to hear other suggestions. First, a little non-binding straw poll to see how people feel.

A) Switch to only top 5
B) Switch back to 20-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1
C) No change
D) Other idea

Since it seems I made more counting errors in the 901-1000 poll, here are some changes:

Hold Steady is in, PJ Harvey is out.

Wild card leaderboard:
Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear The Heart Beating As One 105
Pulp - This Is Hardcore 102
PJ Harvey - White Chalk 101
Beck - Midnite Vultures 101
The Cure - Seventeen Seconds 98
The Kinks - Face To Face 98
TV On The Radio - Desperate Youth, Bloodthirsty Babes 96
Modest Mouse - The Moon And Antarctica 94
Beach Boys - Sunflower 93
Johnny Cash - American III: Solitary Man 93

B.

B.

D) Top five: 15,12,10,8,6

Score 20 points with the number 1, with 1 point and the number 10, it makes little sense. One point is almost the same as 0 points. That is, a rate almost equal to that album you like an album that you hate. In addition, the number 1 you give a 20 times greater than the number 10. I do not seem fair.

It understands what I mean?

01 - Tindersticks - Tindersticks
02 - Elvis Costello and The Attractions - Trust
03 - Leonard Cohen - Songs from a Room
04 - Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Let Love In
05 - Marvin Gaye - Midnight Love
06 - Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas
07 - De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
08 - Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst
09 - Magazine - The Correct Use of Soap
10 - Scott Walker - Tilt

The problem with this poll was that the farther down the list you go the harder it was going to be be for people to participate with the same degree of ease as it was at the beginning. Why not keep the scoring system the same (20,17 15...) but expand the voting groups. For the albums between 1001 and 2000 vote for groups of 200 (after we reach 1200) and once 2000 is reached vote for groups of 250. I think that by expanding the number of albums it will reduce the likelyhood that the poll is just a most owned contast and it will hopefully not have too much of an impact on the wildcard list.

C.

..becuz I'm a confessed Wexlerian, and so many good records are still around..

eh...i'm having a hard enough time narrowing it down to 10 as it is...doubling the number of albums to choose from is gonna make my head swim

so yeah, C, let's stick with what we're doing...i've been kinda disappointed that the winners are leaning heavily towards the recent, but whatever, that's just my taste...if people haven't heard enough albums for a particular set, they can just list fewer albums, right?

and i don't think otisredding was being uncivil, i think he was just asking if you understood what he meant

If that's the case I apologize. I've just noticed a continuing tone in his posts. He seems really rude and impatient when he doesn't agree with the scoring methods I'm using.

It seems not many people want to reduce the number of albums voted on to 5 because there are a lot of people on this board who really have heard almost everything on the chart. But, people are also noticing that albums more people own have too big an advantage.

In the 1100-1200 thread I'll hold a vote between keeping things as is, going back to the original scoring method, and expanding the window to greater than 100.

There really are good albums all the way down. The 2800-2900 block has three of my top 200.

There's no clear domination in this block like there was in the previous block. Here's the scores of the leaders:

118
92
89
79
75
-
71
70
(9 more with at least 55)

This is also the first block where two of the current top five are albums I've never heard of.

That sounds fine, Bill. I'm going to vote for the original scoring method. I actually think it's better than my suggestion to vote for 5 albums. I just didn't want to suggest something that we had already voted against.

Yeah, after all this I think it's just best to continue in the same way -- otherwise there are inconsistencies, it gets confusing, etc. Hopefully for those that are truly trying to find diamonds in the rough, the top several of specific user lists can help point in new directions. Apologies if I helped derail anything!

I can't really decide what to go with for scoring. I guess I'm for keeping it as it is. By its very nature, this was going to be a top heavy game, and those early albums are likely to blow the later ones out when we get around to brackets. That's fine though... the nature of the game.

I'm not making any sense. Whatever everyone else wants is fine with em.

Okay. Now I'll vote.

1. De La Soul Is Dead - De La Soul
2. Tigermilk - Belle and Sebastian
3. The Crane Wife - The Decemberists
4. Music of My Mind - Stevie Wonder
5. Rooty - Basement Jaxx
6. Perfect From Now On - Built to Spill (I like two other albums of theirs much better, when do those come up?)
7. Mad Dogs and Englishmen - Joe Cocker
8. Trompe Le Monde - Pixies
9. True Blue - Madonna
10. Dream of the Blue Turtles - Sting

Honorio. Necesito que me ayudes. Billadama se enfada conmigo cuando yo puse "no sé si se entiende lo que quiero decir".

Cómo tú sabes, esta frase indica que intento explicar algo un poco difícil y, humildemente, pregunto si me he explicado bien.

Al parecer, la traducción de google aporta una propuesta en ingés que se puede malinterpretar, como ha hecho Billadama. En cambio, Greg y Stephan sí entendieron lo qué quería decir y que el problema del malentendio viene de la traducción.

Por curiosidad, ¿la frase It understands what I mean?, qué connotación negativa o arrogante tiene en inglés?

Otis, utilisar "it" como sujeto para hablar de una persona es muy peyorativo, se emplea normalmente para hablar de un objeto o de un animale.
Supongo que queria decid "se entiende" pero "understand" se emplea con un sujeto quien es la persona que entiende, por exemplo "I understand" quiere decid "yo entiendo". Aqui "it understands" puede significar " la cosa entiende"

Wow, a French guy trying to explain english grammar in spanish... my spanish is bad, I will have to train a lot in Benicassim !

Ok Nassim. Thank you.

No entiendo como Billadama podía pensar que yo le estaba insultando en lugar de pensar que se trataba de un problema de traducción.

En español, "se entiende lo que quiero decir" es, en realidad, una frase que dice el que habla para asegurarse de que las otras personas le entienden y tiene, además, un matiz de humildad, no de arrogancia.

Gracias Nassim.

Nassim, tu español es muy bueno. Incluso cuando he leído tu mensaje he pensado que eras de Valladolid (la ciudad española que tiene fama de ser el lugar donde se habla un español más perfecto)

Results:

1. Decemberists - The Crane Wife (133/11/1)
2. Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam (92/7/1)
3. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever To Tell (89/7/1)
4. Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk (82/6/1)
5. Jerry Lee Lewis - Live At The Star Club (79/5/2)

Runners up:

Os Mutantes - Os Mutantes (75/5/2)
Tindersticks - Tindersticks (71/5/2)
Jayhawks - Hollywood Town Hall (70/7/0)
Animal Collective - Feels (68/5/2)
Norah Jones - Come Away With Me (65/5/1)

No change to the wild card leaders.

Sorry, Otis, but I’m late for the translation. During 20th April I was on my way back from holidays (a wonderful “viaggio in Italia”). Anyway Nassim did an excellent job!! My (humble) opinion is that maybe Bill was not only angry for the mistake (the pejorative “it” was unintentional as you stated) but for your intention on changing AGAIN his rules.

Lo siento, Otis, pero he llegado tarde para la traducción (estaba volviendo de mis vacaciones en Italia). De todos modos Nassim lo hizo de maravilla. Pero mi (humilde) opinión es que Bill no se ha enfadado solo por el error (ha quedado claro que el peyorativo “esto” fue sin querer) sino por tu intención de cambiar DE NUEVO sus reglas. Y (esto no lo traduzco al inglés) el que vayas contando los votos por detrás me imagino que tampoco le hace demasiada gracia.

Thank you very much, Honorio

I apologize to BillAdama. I assure you that was not my intention to insult or annoy. As for the scoring system, I proposed the other because BillAdama said we could do other sugerenicas. I remember:

A) Switch to only top 5
B) Switch back to 20-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1
C) No change
D) Other idea

I was "Other idea.

I love music. I like lists. I like my friends from AM.


And now I'm going to study English ...

The anger should be directed to me, as I was the one who proposed to change the rules once more. I regret I brought this up.

way to go Beef Supreme for Fugazi's The Argument. That's in my personal top 10 of all time. Amazing there were no other votes. Listen to it everyone!