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This is the discussion thread for the 1965 election. And the top 50 candidates are…
HALL OF ACCLAIM: TOP 50 CANDIDATES FOR 1965 ELECTION
Only releases through December 31, 1964 included.
1964 releases indicated with an asterisk.
1. CHARLES MINGUS
ALBUMS: Jazz at Massey Hall (514); Pithecanthropus Erectus (748); Blues and Roots (782); Mingus Ah Um (384); Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus (935); The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady (347).
SONG: Track C - Group Dancers (2411).
2. THELONIOUS MONK
ALBUMS: Genius of Modern Music, Vol. 1 (458); Genius of Modern Music, Vol. 2 (714); Brilliant Corners (429); Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane (733); Monk’s Music (1014); Art Blakey’s Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1528).
SONG: Round Midnight (342).
3. BOB DYLAN
ALBUMS: Bob Dylan (2009); The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan (172); The Times They Are A-Changing (835)*; Another Side of Bob Dylan (999)*.
SONGS: Blowin’ in the Wind (286); Masters of War (2314); A Hard Rain’s Gonna Fall (2084); Don’t Think Twice, It’s All Right (2149); The Times They Are A-Changing (467)*; The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll (1981)*.
4. SONNY ROLLINS
ALBUMS: Tenor Madness (1104); Saxophone Colossus (370); Way Out West (891); Night at the Village Vanguard, Vol. 1 (1021); Night at the Village Vanguard, Vol. 2 (1150); The Bridge (1158).
SONG: St. Thomas (2551).
5. ORNETTE COLEMAN
ALBUMS: Something Else!!! (1861); The Shape of Jazz to Come (315); Change of the Century (762); Free Jazz: A Collective Improvisation (501); This Is Our Music (1688); Ornette on Tenor (1921).
6. ELLA FITZGERALD
ALBUMS: Sings the Cole Porter Songbook, Vol. 1 (617); Sings the Rodgers and Hart Songbook, Vol. 1 (888); Ella and Louis (1370); Porgy and Bess (1373); Sings the Duke Ellington Songbook, Vol. 1 (1319); Sings the George and Ira Gershwin Songbook (875).
SONG: A-Tisket, A-Tasket (1097).
7. THE BEACH BOYS
ALBUMS: Surfin’ USA (2912); All Summer Long (1478)*.
SONGS: Surfin’ USA (502); In My Room (881); Fun Fun Fun (1689)*; I Get Around (256)*; Don’t Worry Baby (142)*.
8. BO DIDDLEY
ALBUMS: Bo Diddley (816); Go Bo Diddley (1349).
SONGS: Bo Diddley (177); I’m a Man (723); Who Do You Love (317).
9. HOWLIN’ WOLF
ALBUM: Moanin’ in the Moonlight (551); Howlin’ Wolf (402).
SONG: Smokestack Lightnin’ (367); Wang Dang Doodle (2561); Back Door Man (2460); Spoonful (1247).
10. STAN GETZ
ALBUMS: Hamp & Getz (2186); Stan Getz and J.J. Johnson at the Opera House (2614); Focus (1769); Jazz Samba (818); Getz/Gilberto (394)*.
SONGS: The Girl from Ipanema (538)*; Corcovado (2078)*.
11. BILL EVANS
ALBUMS: Everybody Digs Bill Evans (1659); Portrait in Jazz (1689); Explorations (2257); Sunday at the Village Vanguard (479); Waltz for Debby (496); Undercurrent (2306).
SONG: Waltz for Debby (2639).
12. COUNT BASIE
ALBUMS: Count Basie Swings, Joe Williams Sings (1310); April in Paris (1000); At Newport (1447); The Atomic Mr. Basie (657).
SONGS: One O’Clock Jump (865); Lester Leaps In (2182); April in Paris (1447).
13. THE RONETTES
ALBUMS: Presenting the Fabulous Ronettes Featuring Veronica (1497)*.
SONGS: Be My Baby (12); Baby, I Love You (2461); Walking in the Rain (2535)*.
14. THE DRIFTERS
SONGS: Money Honey (921); There Goes My Baby (269); Save the Last Dance for Me (670); Up on the Roof (870); On Broadway (894); Under the Boardwalk (1456)*.
15. DIZZY GILLESPIE
ALBUMS: Bird & Diz (1644); Jazz at Massey Hall (514); Dizzy Gillespie with Roy Eldridge (1572); Groovin’ High (1547); Birk’s Works (2360); At Newport (2130).
SONGS: Groovin’ High (2672); A Night in Tunisia (2463); Manteca (1168).
16. FATS DOMINO
ALBUMS: Rock and Rollin’ with Fats Domino (1416); This Is Fats Domino! (2457); The Fabulous Mr. D (2295).
SONGS: Ain’t That a Shame (600); Blueberry Hill (213); Blue Monday (1803); I’m Walkin’ (2168); Walking to New Orleans (1921).
17. THE KINKS
SONGS: You Really Got Me (17)*; All Day and All of the Night (876)*.
18. SAM COOKE
ALBUM: Sam Cooke’s Night Beat (1358)*.
SONGS: You Send Me (189); Wonderful World (902); Cupid (1558);.Bring It on Home to Me (1111); Another Saturday Night (2180)*.
19. ERIC DOLPHY
ALBUMS: Outward Bound (1943); Out There (1783); Live at the Five Spot, Vol. 1 (1834); Far Cry (2416); Iron Man (2297); Out to Lunch (300)*.
20. PATSY CLINE
SONGS: Walkin’ After Midnight (1407); Crazy (146); I Fall to Pieces (415); She’s Got You (1626); Sweet Dreams (of You).
21. THE KINGSMEN
SONG: Louie Louie (11).
22. THE CRYSTALS
SONGS: He’s a Rebel (308); He’s Sure the Boy I Love (2494); Da Doo Ron Ron (169); Then He Kissed Me (972).
23. ART BLAKEY
ALBUMS: A Night at Birdland Vol. 1 (1236); A Night at Birdland Vol. 2 (2296); Moanin’ (781); Art Blakey’s Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1528); A Night in Tunisia (1787); Free for All (2068)*.
24. CHARLIE PARKER
ALBUMS: Charlie Parker with Strings (1735); Bird & Diz (1644); Jazz at Massey Hall (514).
SONGS: Koko (768); Ornithology (2456).
25. MARTHA AND THE VANDELLAS
SONGS: Heatwave (655); Dancing in the Street (53)*.
26. THE RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS
SONGS: Little Latin Lupe Lu (2589); You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feelin’ (24)*.
27. BEN E. KING
SONGS: Spanish Harlem (583); Stand by Me (67).
28. BUD POWELL
ALBUMS: The Amazing Bud Powell Vol. 1 (792); Jazz at Massey Hall (514); The Amazing Bud Powell Vol. 2 (2905).
SONG: Un Poco Loco (1616).
29. WOODY GUTHRIE
ALBUM: Dust Bowl Ballads (607).
SONG: This Land Is Your Land (163).
SONGS: I Wonder Why (819); A Teenager in Love (748); Runaround Sue (321); The Wanderer (1405).
31. BILL HALEY AND HIS COMETS
ALBUM: Rock Around the Clock (2042).
SONG: (We’re Gonna) Rock Around the Clock (45).
32. THE ROLLING STONES
ALBUMS: The Rolling Stones (398)*; 12x5 (1339)*.
SONGS: Not Fade Away (2970)*; It’s All Over Now (2316)*; Time is on My Side (2542)*; Little Red Rooster (2202)*.
33. DAVE BRUBECK
ALBUMS: Jazz Goes to College (2843); Time Out (324).
SONG: Take Five (730).
34. BOOKER T. & THE MG’S
ALBUM: Green Onions (1368).
SONG: Green Onions (87).
35. EDDIE COCHRAN
SONGS: Summertime Blues (79); C’mon Everybody (1210).
36. DEL SHANNON
SONGS: Runaway (77); Hats off to Larry (1809); Keep Searchin’ (2265)*.
37. THE SUPREMES
ALBUM: Where Did Our Love Go (1984)*.
SONGS: Where Did Our Love Go (211)*; Baby Love (718)*.
38. BIG JOE TURNER
ALBUM: The Boss of the Blues (1094).
SONG: Shake, Rattle and Roll (151).
39. THE SHIRELLES
SONGS: Dedicated to the One I Love (1784); Tonight’s the Night (1815); Will You Love Me Tomorrow (98).
40. BENNY GOODMAN
ALBUM: The Famous 1938 Carnegie Hall Concert (513).
SONGS: Sing, Sing, Sing (724); Solo Flight (2007).
41. MAX ROACH
ALBUMS: Daahoud/Clifford Brown & Max Roach (1229); Study in Brown (1979); At Basin Street (2209); Max Roach Plus Four (2438); We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1288); Money Jungle (1268).
42. THE ANIMALS
ALBUM: The Animals (2877)*.
SONG: House of the Rising Sun (62)*.
43. RITCHIE VALENS
SONGS: Donna (788); La Bamba (152).
44. BOBBY BLAND
ALBUM: Two Steps from the Blues (399).
SONG: Further Up the Road (2002); I Pity the Fool (2659); Turn on Your Love Light (1955).
45. GENE VINCENT
ALBUM: Gene Vincent and His Blue Caps (1743).
SONG: Be Bop a Lula (125).
46. THE SHANGRI-LA’S
SONGS: Remember (Walking in the Sand) (780)*; Leader of the Pack (299)*; Give Him a Great Big Kiss (1533)*.
47. SARAH VAUGHAN
ALBUMS: Images/Swingin’ Easy (1298); Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown (743); In the Land of Hifi (2239); After Hours (2710).
48. HORACE SILVER
ALBUMS: Horace Silver and the Jazz Messengers (1275); Blowin’ the Blues Away (1974); Song for My Father (758)*.
49. CARL PERKINS
SONGS: Blue Suede Shoes (75); Honey Don’t (2859).
50. THE COASTERS
SONGS: Searchin’ (1570); Young Blood (979); Yakety Yak (262).
MOVING UP: Bob Dylan, The Ronettes, The Drifters, Art Blakey, Del Shannon.
NEW TO THE LIST: The Beach Boys, The Kinks, Eric Dolphy, Martha and the Vandellas, The Righteous Brothers, The Rolling Stones, The Supremes, The Animals, The Shangri-La’s, Horace Silver.
FELL OFF THE LIST: The Platters, Wes Montgomery, Johnny Burnette, The Isley Brothers, Judy Garland, Joao Gilberto.
BUBBLING UNDER: Dionne Warwick, The Temptations, John Lee Hooker, Them, Jackie Wilson.
The first stage of the deluge is seriously underway now, with a whopping ten new artists in the top 50…
Voting begins September 9. Discussion begins now.
Some very interesting battles shaping up.
Right off the bat, I'd say that the there is no way the Stones should get in this year. Certainly pre-Satisfaction. I wouldn't even vote for them in my top-10 until at least 1967 (after "Aftermath") and probably not until the next year, after "Beggar's Banquet." I probably won't wind up getting to vote for them, as I sense "Satisfaction" might take them over the top for many people.
My favorite groups to compare jump onto the list: the Beach Boys and the Kinks. Anyone who has read my posts knows that I am a really big fan of the Kinks, and believe the Beach Boys to be very overrated. So it may surprise you to hear that I think the Beach Boys have a better claim to votes this year. Yes, the Kinks released two monster and important hits this year (and much more worthy than the Animals' hits from this and next year). Neither is as innovative and interesting as "Don't Worry Baby." And the Beach Boys have had more fun hits at this point. Even so, though, I don't think the Beach Boys get onto my top-10 this year. It's too early to figure out whether they will in the "Pet Sounds" year. I know the Kinks will that year, having realeased "Face to Face."
The most interesting battle this year is among the girl groups. The Ronnettes, the Supremes first big hits, Martha and the Vandellas, the Shirelles ("Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" wasn't all Goffin-King) all may have some claim to getting votes. As a personal pick, I definitely am thinking about putting the Shangri-La's on. Their three big hits this year beat the Supremes'.
By the way, anyone thinking about the Crystals? They're already on their third lead singer, and have already released "He Hit Me," "He's a Rebel," "Da Doo Run Run," and "Then He Kissed Me." I see that Rune voted for them. I don't think I'll have room for them this year, and it looks like they might never make it onto my ballot, but they're tempting. In a similar vein, I'm surprised no one has given Dion a vote. Those are four solid singles there. Maybe everyone agrees with my assessment... better songwriting (only one of which was written by him) than actual vocal performance.
Although they dropped off the top-50, I am seriously considering the Platters. While they should have never messed withthe Ink Spots' version of "My Prayer," I can't see arguing with "Only You," "The Great Pretender," "Twilight Time," "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes." One problem with the Platters is their version of two wonderful Ink Spots numbers: "My Prayer" and "If I Didn't Care" are not nearly as sublime. Maybe I should vote for the Ink Spots instead?
Too early for the Temptations, as great as "The Way You Do the Things You Do" is.
The Beach Boys are only overrated as compared to The Kinks.
Speaking of those two fine groups, I think I will wait until 1967 to vote in the Beach Boys (Pet Sounds plus all the "California Myth" hits = posterity) and 1968 to vote in the Kinks (Something Else By The Kinks puts them over the top).
The Stones should wait until 1966, I think, but Dylan is ready to enter my ballot now.
It's too bad jazz gets so slighted around here. Thelonious Monk and Charles Mingus are to jazz what George Jones and Merle Haggard are to country. Hey! Wait a minute! They're aren't getting in either... Dang me.
I love pre-Pet Sounds Beach Boys--they're definitely getting love from me this time. Dylan, too.
The Stones actually had quite a rep by the end of 1964, but I'm holding off on them, and the Kinks might be a dark horse.
Paul, you'll be glad to know I'll be voting for Mingus for a few more years (Monk, however, may slide in dignity off my ballot soon).
I agree that it's totally legitimate to vote for the Beach Boys based on their early hits. It's just that they will be undeniable once Pet Sounds comes out and I'm still holding out some hope for the early acts. Probably time to move Bo Didley up a few more notches...
Re: Bo Diddley
"He only had a few hits in the 1950s and early '60s, but as Bo Diddley sang, "You Can't Judge a Book by Its Cover." You can't judge an artist by his chart success, either, and Diddley produced greater and more influential music than all but a handful of the best early rockers. The Bo Diddley beat — bomp, ba-bomp-bomp, bomp-bomp — is one of rock & roll's bedrock rhythms, showing up in the work of Buddy Holly, the Rolling Stones, and even pop-garage knock-offs like the Strangeloves' 1965 hit "I Want Candy." Diddley's hypnotic rhythmic attack and declamatory, boasting vocals stretched back as far as Africa for their roots, and looked as far into the future as rap. His trademark otherworldly vibrating, fuzzy guitar style did much to expand the instrument's power and range. But even more important, Bo's bounce was fun and irresistibly rocking, with a wisecracking, jiving tone that epitomized rock & roll at its most humorously outlandish and freewheeling."
From your mouth to voters' ears about Bo, Paul...