Here we go…time to start the jibber-jabber about the upcoming election of ’64.

Below is the usual list of top 50 candidates. As you’ll see, the first signs of the mid-sixties deluge arrive this year, although so far it’s more of a trickle than a wave…



HALL OF ACCLAIM: TOP 50 CANDIDATES FOR 1964 ELECTION

Only releases through December 31, 1963 included.

1963 releases indicated with an asterisk.


1. THE BEATLES
ALBUMS: Please Please Me (465)*; With the Beatles (268)*.
SONGS: Love Me Do (1589); I Saw Her Standing There (1132)*; Please Please Me (1035)*; Twist and Shout (2057)*; She Loves You (99)*; I Want to Hold Your Hand (21)*.

2. CHARLES MINGUS
ALBUMS: Jazz at Massey Hall (514); Pithecanthropus Erectus (748); Blues and Roots (782); Mingus Ah Um (384); Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus (935); The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady (347)*.
SONG: Track C - Group Dancers (2411)*.

3. THELONIOUS MONK
ALBUMS: Genius of Modern Music, Vol. 1 (458); Genius of Modern Music, Vol. 2 (714); Brilliant Corners (429); Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane (733); Monk’s Music (1014); Art Blakey’s Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1528).
SONG: Round Midnight (342).

4. THE EVERLY BROTHERS
ALBUMS: The Everly Brothers (1618); Songs Our Daddy Taught Us (1722); It’s Everly Time (2551).
SONGS: Bye Bye Love (144); Wake Up Little Susie (420); All I Have to Do Is Dream (171); Bird Dog (2183); Cathy’s Clown (260); Walk Right Back (1873).

5. JAMES BROWN
ALBUM: Live at the Apollo (39)*.
SONGS: Please Please Please (324); Try Me (1468); Lost Someone (1423); Night Train (1848); Prisoner of Love (1671)*.

6. SONNY ROLLINS
ALBUMS: Tenor Madness (1104); Saxophone Colossus (370); Way Out West (891); Night at the Village Vanguard, Vol. 1 (1021); Night at the Village Vanguard, Vol. 2 (1150); The Bridge (1158).
SONG: St. Thomas (2551).

7. ORNETTE COLEMAN
ALBUMS: Something Else!!! (1861); The Shape of Jazz to Come (315); Change of the Century (762); Free Jazz: A Collective Improvisation (501); This Is Our Music (1688); Ornette on Tenor (1921).
SONGS: none.

8. ELLA FITZGERALD
ALBUMS: Sings the Cole Porter Songbook, Vol. 1 (617); Sings the Rodgers and Hart Songbook, Vol. 1 (888); Ella and Louis (1370); Porgy and Bess (1373); Sings the Duke Ellington Songbook, Vol. 1 (1319); Sings the George and Ira Gershwin Songbook (875).
SONG: A-Tisket, A-Tasket (1097).

9. BO DIDDLEY
ALBUMS: Bo Diddley (816); Go Bo Diddley (1349).
SONGS: Bo Diddley (177); I’m a Man (723); Who Do You Love (317).

10. HOWLIN’ WOLF
ALBUM: Moanin’ in the Moonlight (551); Howlin’ Wolf (402).
SONG: Smokestack Lightnin’ (367); Wang Dang Doodle (2561); Back Door Man (2460); Spoonful (1247).

11. STAN GETZ
ALBUMS: Hamp & Getz (2186); Stan Getz and J.J. Johnson at the Opera House (2614); Focus (1769); Jazz Samba (818); Getz/Gilberto (394)*.
SONGS: The Girl from Ipanema (538)*; Corcovado (2078)*.

12. BOB DYLAN
ALBUMS: Bob Dylan (2009); The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan (172)*.
SONGS: Blowin’ in the Wind (286)*; Masters of War (2314)*; A Hard Rain’s Gonna Fall (2084)*; Don’t Think Twice, It’s All Right (2149)*.

13. BILL EVANS
ALBUMS: Everybody Digs Bill Evans (1659); Portrait in Jazz (1689); Explorations (2257); Sunday at the Village Vanguard (479); Waltz for Debby (496); Undercurrent (2306).
SONG: Waltz for Debby (2639).

14. COUNT BASIE
ALBUMS: Count Basie Swings, Joe Williams Sings (1310); April in Paris (1000); At Newport (1447); The Atomic Mr. Basie (657).
SONGS: One O’Clock Jump (865); Lester Leaps In (2182); April in Paris (1447).

15. ROY ORBISON
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: Only the Lonely (139); Running Scared (1092); Crying (295), In Dreams (581)*; Blue Bayou (2917)*.

16. DIZZY GILLESPIE
ALBUMS: Bird & Diz (1644); Jazz at Massey Hall (514); Dizzy Gillespie with Roy Eldridge (1572); Groovin’ High (1547); Birk’s Works (2360); At Newport (2130).
SONGS: Groovin’ High (2672); A Night in Tunisia (2463); Manteca (1168).

17. FATS DOMINO
ALBUMS: Rock and Rollin’ with Fats Domino (1416); This Is Fats Domino! (2457); The Fabulous Mr. D (2295).
SONGS: Ain’t That a Shame (600); Blueberry Hill (213); Blue Monday (1803); I’m Walkin’ (2168); Walking to New Orleans (1921).

18. THE DRIFTERS
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: Money Honey (921); There Goes My Baby (269); Save the Last Dance for Me (670); Up on the Roof (870); On Broadway (894)*.

19. SAM COOKE
ALBUM: Sam Cooke’s Night Beat (1358)*.
SONGS: You Send Me (189); Wonderful World (902); Cupid (1558);.Bring It on Home to Me (1111); Another Saturday Night (2180)*.

20. PATSY CLINE
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: Walkin’ After Midnight (1407); Crazy (146); I Fall to Pieces (415); She’s Got You (1626); Sweet Dreams (of You)*.

21. THE RONETTES
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: Be My Baby (12)*; Baby, I Love You (2461)*.

22. THE KINGSMEN
ALBUMS: none.
SONG: Louie Louie (11)*.

23. THE CRYSTALS
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: He’s a Rebel (308); He’s Sure the Boy I Love (2494); Da Doo Ron Ron (169)*; Then He Kissed Me (972)*.

24. CHARLIE PARKER
ALBUMS: Charlie Parker with Strings (1735); Bird & Diz (1644); Jazz at Massey Hall (514).
SONGS: Koko (768); Ornithology (2456).

25. ART BLAKEY
ALBUMS: A Night at Birdland Vol. 1 (1236); A Night at Birdland Vol. 2 (2296); Moanin’ (781); Art Blakey’s Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1528); A Night in Tunisia (1787); Mosaic (2510).
SONGS: none.

26. BEN E. KING
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: Spanish Harlem (583); Stand by Me (67).

27. BUD POWELL
ALBUMS: The Amazing Bud Powell Vol. 1 (792); Jazz at Massey Hall (514); The Amazing Bud Powell Vol. 2 (2905).
SONG: Un Poco Loco (1616).

28. WOODY GUTHRIE
ALBUM: Dust Bowl Ballads (607).
SONG: This Land Is Your Land (163).

29. DION
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: I Wonder Why (819); A Teenager in Love (748); Runaround Sue (321); The Wanderer (1405).

30. BILL HALEY AND HIS COMETS
ALBUM: Rock Around the Clock (2042).
SONG: (We’re Gonna) Rock Around the Clock (45).

31. DAVE BRUBECK
ALBUMS: Jazz Goes to College (2843); Time Out (324).
SONG: Take Five (730).

32. BOOKER T. & THE MG’S
ALBUM: Green Onions (1368).
SONG: Green Onions (87).

33. EDDIE COCHRAN
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: Summertime Blues (79); C’mon Everybody (1210).

34. BIG JOE TURNER
ALBUM: The Boss of the Blues (1094).
SONG: Shake, Rattle and Roll (151).

35. THE SHIRELLES
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: Dedicated to the One I Love (1784); Tonight’s the Night (1815); Will You Love Me Tomorrow (98).

36. BENNY GOODMAN
ALBUM: The Famous 1938 Carnegie Hall Concert (513).
SONGS: Sing, Sing, Sing (724); Solo Flight (2007).

37. DEL SHANNON
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: Runaway (77); Hats off to Larry (1809).

38. MAX ROACH
ALBUMS: Daahoud/Clifford Brown & Max Roach (1229); Study in Brown (1979); At Basin Street (2209); Max Roach Plus Four (2438); We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1288); Money Jungle (1268).

39. RITCHIE VALENS
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: Donna (788); La Bamba (152).

40. BOBBY BLAND
ALBUM: Two Steps from the Blues (399).
SONG: Further Up the Road (2002); I Pity the Fool (2659); Turn on Your Love Light (1955).

41. GENE VINCENT
ALBUM: Gene Vincent and His Blue Caps (1743).
SONG: Be Bop a Lula (125).

42. SARAH VAUGHAN
ALBUMS: Images/Swingin’ Easy (1298); Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown (743); In the Land of Hifi (2239); After Hours (2710).
SONGS: none.

43. CARL PERKINS
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: Blue Suede Shoes (75); Honey Don’t (2859).

44. THE COASTERS
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: Searchin’ (1570); Young Blood (979); Yakety Yak (262).

45. THE PLATTERS
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: The Great Pretender (329); Only You (And You Alone) (750); Smoke Gets in Your Eyes (1984).

46. WES MONTGOMERY
ALBUMS: The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery (690); Bags Meets Wes (1774); Full House: Recorded Live at Tsubo – Berkeley, California (2011).
SONGS: none.

47. JOHNNY BURNETTE
ALBUM: Johnny Burnette and the Rock ‘n’ Roll Trio (637).
SONG: The Train Kept A-Rollin’ (874).

48. THE ISLEY BROTHERS
ALBUMS: none.
SONGS: Shout (Parts 1 and 2) (230); Twist and Shout (1030).

49. JUDY GARLAND
ALBUM: Judy at Carnegie Hall (1093).
SONG: Over the Rainbow (380).

50. JOAO GILBERTO
ALBUMS: Brazil’s Brilliant/Gilberto and Jobim (2593); Getz/Gilberto (394)*.
SONGS: none.

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MOVING UP: Charles Mingus, James Brown, Stan Getz, Roy Orbison, The Drifters, Sam Cooke.

NEW TO THE LIST: The Beatles, Bob Dylan, The Ronettes, The Kingsmen, The Crystals, Joao Gilberto.

FELL OFF THE LIST: Clifford Brown, John Lee Hooker.

BUBBLING UNDER: Jackie Wilson, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers, Lloyd Price, The Shadows, The Carter Family.

Almost all of this year’s changes are in the top half of the list; apart from the slightly noteworthy debut of a certain group at the top of the list, there are four other debuts in the top 25, plus big jumps for James Brown and Stan Getz.

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Voting begins August 26. Discussion begins now.

I think the real question is; do you think The Beatles and Bob Dylan already belong in the HoA. I'm leaning towards waiting another year for both of them, although Dylan will make an appearance in my top 10.

No way for Dylan. Freewheelin' isn't good enough for a 1st ballot entry and his debut kind of stinks unless you're a big traditional folk fan. Probably for the Beatles. I don't like Please, Please Me enough to put them in but there's too much good stuff on With the Beatles to leave them out and those singles are legendary.

Hopefully Mingus gets in this round now that Black Saint is eligible. The Everly Brothers don't have anything new but maybe they'll get in before the big dogs start appearing. I don't think Bill Evans has a chance.

I don't think I can vote for Stan Getz off an album that I kind of like and a song I really like. Gilberto is the reason I like that song anyway and not the one that's in the top 50 for this year.

However, I'm going to have to think about Roy Orbison getting in based on one song, In Dreams since it's one of my all-time favorites. There really isn't too much of his other than that song that I like so this would probably be the only year that he appears on my list since others would definitely trump him in the upcoming years.

I would be happy if the top 4 on the list above are inducted. I think Bill Monroe's shot is over. He came soooo close.

I'll wait with Dylan. I'm no big fan of his earliest stuff. It'll be quite hard waiting with The Beatles, though, but I'm not sure they'll get my top vote.

Shame about Bill Monroe. I think he had his chance last year, and that'll be hard for him now. Eventually, maybe even now, I have to move him down from the first place.

Freewheelin' is certainly great, and all 4 songs on AM are fantastic I think. Still, there are 6 artists who deserve to be inducted more right now, so I think Dylan will only come in 7th.

I really don't like the early Beatles stuff, so I don't think I'll be voting for them until after 1966. Then again, they probably don't need my vote.

I'm kinda hoping for some extra Woody Guthrie votes, since this is his last chance, but I'm afraid it's too late. Charles Mingus and Roy Orbison are definitely going to move up on my list this year by the way.

Point of information for anyone still interested in the “realist/idealist” debate: obviously, the Beatles were a big deal in the UK from at least summer 1963. And the US? I have read that American teenagers en masse really became aware of the Beatles in the school holiday between Christmas of ’63 and New Year’s…their famous Ed Sullivan appearance was in February ’64. I don’t know if this affects anyone’s thinking about them, but our 1/1/64 vote comes right in the middle of the first wave of American Beatlemania...although they're clearly not what they will be in the US six weeks from now.

I’m thinking about giving them my last ballot spot this time (i.e., #4 in my top 10)…I’m already on record as liking their early stuff, although perhaps that’s true of most of the people who are already HOA voters. Dylan might make my ballot—it’s borderline—but I’m guessing he won’t get in for another couple of years.

Oh, and I wouldn’t give up on Monroe and Guthrie…they’ve been doing very well in the voting. Even if they don’t make the HOA in the next couple of elections, they could still sneak in down the road—maybe after 1974 or so.

monroe and guthrie will be topping my list til they get in...i probably won't vote for the beatles or dylan until '67...too many early folks i still want to see get in

backstagewise, do you think it's time for bacharach and/or spector yet?

Another backstager (for down the line) is Jerry Wexler, who recently passed away.

Yeah, I wondered last round when I voted for Ahmet Ertegun whether I should have made Ertegun and Wexler a two-fer. Can I get a ruling on this from the judges?

I’m practicing the “idealistic” approach so far, I mean, I’m voting and making my comments as if it was the selected year. But, since I’m choosing a Top5 for the number 1 on my list and a Top 3 for the first 5, in fact I’m waiting to put at the top of my list an artist when he/she/they released their “masterpiece” in my opinion. So, with an idealistic approach it would be the time to put The Beatles at the top yet (or next year anyway) because at the time they were perceived as groundbreaking and “important”. But, as everyone knows now, their best work was still to come. But if I wait till 1968 to put The Beatles on top I won’t be able to make a comment about them because they would’ve been already inducted (that’s my case with Coltrane, Davis or Cash, when I was going to vote for them they were inducted yet). So I’m going to define my approach as “false idealistic”, I mean, I’m going to continue voting as previously but having in mind the posterior career of the artist/band and also doing some strategic votes now and then.
So with my false idealism probably my number 1 for 1963 is going to be Roy Orbison, with “In Dreams” fresh and still available in record stores. And maybe some Brazil and some Brill Building too…

Schleuse, about my section on the plaques it’s only a review about the most acclaimed album of the artist inducted according to Acclaimed Music. I’ve (almost) written the one for “Elvis Presley” (1956) and I’ve bought some albums (like “From St. Louis to Liverpool” or “Song for Swinging Lovers”) in order to write the review. I didn’t find in record stores the Armstrong one, “Plays W.C. Handy” (1954), but I’ll get it anyway. And in the case of Hank Williams I’ll wait till 1979 to review the “40 Greatest Hits” compilation. But if someone else wants to make another review of the same album for the plaque it would be great too.

1. Bill Monroe - The competition's getting hard for our man soon, and I guess this'll be one of his last chances. Said so last year too, but now I mean it. Hopefully he'll get in.

2. George Jones - I've been listening to him for the last week, and I'll move him up. Wonderful songs.

3. The Beatles - They're quite new to this, but there's no doubt that the songs they've entered into this competition are extraordinary.

4. Patsy Cline - I've been listening to her to, comparing her to George Jones. And she came out losing that battle. However, great songs and a wonderful, heartbroken voice.

5. Roy Orbison - Moving him up as well. Some great new songs now. This'll be his year, with all the love for In Dreams around here.

6. Bob Dylan
7. The Crystals
8. Del Shannon
9. Carter Family
10. Shirelles

Runr, watch out, you posted in the wrong thread

damn it.