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Hello again. It's time for the albums poll. I still have a little formatting to do, but it will start in 30 minutes or so.
You might think that our personal albums lists are more homogenous than the song lists, but that's not true. And this is something that will be proved right at the beginning of the presentation!
Some more information before we begin.
The votes are in from 39 voters. Fantastic!
I forgot to say that the songs poll was based on votes from 34 forum visitors. Also great!
Hi Henrik, and everyone!
I just got done catching up on yesterday's thoroughly brilliant list - and I am delighted with the top 10. I missed it all as it was being revealed, but I'm here for today's list. Should be interesting - I didn't vote in this one (I did in yesterday's).
Today, the results will be presented in portions of 10, rather than one at a time.
As usual, let's have a good conversation around this!
Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill (1995)
Score: 1317 points
Neoptolemos (#1), Tim (#20), Twister (#22)
Catchy tunes. Not much substance behind the “catchy”, but catchy nonetheless. (Rendle)
Place in the 1995 poll: 8
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 69
The Prodigy - The Fat of the Land (1997)
Score: 1334 points
SuperFurry (#1), Michel (#11), LonesomePanda (#21)
Have some of the greatest singles of the decade ! (LonesomePanda)
Place in the 1997 poll: 10
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 75
Tool - Aenima (1996)
Score: 1339 points
Torsten and Anthony (#19), Jonah (#29)
Place in the 1996 poll: 10
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 199
Happy Mondays - Pills n Thrills and Bellyaches (1990)
Score: 1354 points
Fred (#5), Twister (#21), Tim and Mitchell Stirling (#22)
Place in the 1990 poll: 6
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 54
Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine (1992)
Score: 1356 points
LonesomePanda (# , Henrik (#12), John (#22)
Zach DeLaRocha annoys me. “Wake Up” is good though. (Rendle)
My other teenager love, "Killing in the name" kinda bore me now, but the rest is still great. And Tom Morello is magic ! (LonesomePanda)
Place in the 1992 poll: 3
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 43
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Blood Sugar Sex Magik (1991)
Score: 1362 points
LonesomePanda (#6), Torsten (#15), Nicolas (#19)
I find BSSM very long-winded. It could be better in my opinion. (Rendle)
The favourite album of my teenage and still one of my references, I could have lied, suck my kiss and breaking the girl are what RHCP did best. (LonesomePanda)
Place in the 1991 poll: 10
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 36
Jane's Addiction - Ritual de lo Habitual (1990)
Score: 1370 points
Vgrd (#13), Midaso (#15), Jonah (#26)
Place in the 1990 poll: 5
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 71
Beastie Boys - Check Your Head (1992)
Score: 1376 points
Toni (#7), SuperFurry (#15), Torsten (#20)
I love Paul's Boutique, Ill Communication and Hello Nasty… but I'm never be much a fan of Check Your Head, songs seems colorless. (LonesomePanda)
Addictive beats, powerfull ond original vocals and an impressively capacity of inovation in each, all sprinkled with too much acid humor, make this album a manual of how to make decent rap. (Toni)
Place in the 1992 poll: 6
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 64
Blur - Modern Life Is Rubbish (1993)
Score: 1384 points
Toni (#4), Johan (#13), Fred (#19)
This album’s all over the place, but that’s the charm. (Rendle)
Here we have The Stone Roses's legacy taken forwards.This is Blur showing which would be the essencial elements of the next rock movement to dominate England, and, sometimes, the world. It contains high guitars, but is a very sensititive and refinated album. Unfornately, in the time of its release, English had only eyes to Suede and couldn't see that the future was here. As the result, this is, until today, one of the most underrated albums of the 90s. (Toni)
Place in the 1993 poll: 10
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 255
Blur - Blur (1997)
Score: 1385 points
Toni (# , Twister (#17), Midaso (#27)
Yes, another Blur album in my top 10. This is a dificult album. All the dirty guitars and the experimental tracks make you need many auditions until you realize how good this is. And, then, you will see that this is not a group of songs put together to support Song 2's high sellings. Again Blur make an album with no bad track, this time playing with electronic sounds, hip-hop, a little psychedelia and much of their genuine rocks, sometimes with an american tendency, sometimes plenty of their usual sensibility. (Toni)
Place in the 1997 poll: 8
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 106
Neoptolemos and SuperFurry, you there?
That is incredible that #s 100 and 99 on the list were picked as #1 by one of the voters. I'm most disappointed by the loss of 'Modern Life Is Rubbish' there, but no great surprises I don't think.
I should mention here that the mid-scoring method for unheard albums probably works better for the top than for the bottom of the list.
By far, the least heard album is "Aenima". 19 of the 39 voters have heard it. It pretty much beats "Fat of the Land" and "Jagged Little Pill" because of its many mid-scores. If everyone had heard all albums then "Aenima" might have been #100, but it could of course also have climbed the list if one or two more voters would have really liked the album.
It seems that with the albums list ROCK is the most damaged (with Red Hot Chili Peppers, Jane’s Addiction, Rage Against the Machine and Tool at the bottom of the list), while HIP HOP (with the exception of Beastie Boys) gets some temporary relief.
Only one point separated those two Blur albums! Blimey.
Interesting too that in contrast to yesterday, we've already seen 4 of the songs that came 10th in the yearly polls.
That's right MightyMadMax, but where did the fans of RATM go?
I kinda expected it to finish so low, but 100th? Meh.. and it's such a brilliant album.
I'm not a big fan but i'm really surprised Blur is so low in these polls:
two albums are already out, "Girls & Boys" #75, "Song 2" only #40!
Ride - Nowhere (1990)
Score: 1387 points
Tim (#12), Collin (#17), EdAmes (#24)
It’s a good album but Vapour Trail lets it reach beyond that. (Rendle)
Place in the 1990 poll: 10
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 190
Suede - Coming Up (1996)
Score: 1388 points
Twister (#13), Tim (#14), Honorio (#23)
Brett Anderson overcame the challenge of the difficult third album and the desertion of Bernard Butler. But sadly it was his last great album. (Honorio)
Place in the 1996 poll: 8
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 265
Travis - The Man Who (1999)
Score: 1389 points
Tim (# , Howlin' Andrew (#17), Paul manusama (#1
Place in the 1999 poll: 7
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 116
Bonnie "Prince" Billy - I See a Darkness (1999)
Score: 1410 points
EdAmes (#1 , Henrik (#22), Paul Manusama (#23)
Place in the 1999 poll: 9
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 59
Soundgarden - Superunknown (1994)
Score: 1420 points
pop elton (#9), Chris (#13), Rocky Raccoon (#22)
I try my best to ignore this album but it really is good. “My Wave”, “Limo Wreck”, and “The Day I Tried To Live” all show hard-grunge at its best. (Rendle)
Place in the 1994 poll: 9
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 128
Wilco - Being There (1996)
Score: 1429 points
DrDre (#7), Howlin' Andrew and Paul Manusama (#19)
Wilco decide to start getting experimental with their folk roots, leading to the genre that they one day would capitolize on. (Rendle)
Still their best album. Rootsy Americana, somewhat rough diamond. (DrDre)
Place in the 1996 poll: 9
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 126
Blur - 13 (1999)
Score: 1434 points
Twister (#4), Chris (#5), LonesomePanda and Slush (#1
Place in the 1999 poll: 8
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 155
Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of… (199
Score: 1443 points
Howlin' Andrew (#3), Honorio (#5), rendler (#11)
Yes, I know, “CrazySexyCool”, “Brown Sugar” and “Baduizm” were before, but it was Lauryn who brought the R&B to both the creativity pinnacle and the Grammys. But, contrary to posterior R&B divas, she didn’t need any producer or a rapper behind, she was able to rap, sing, write and produce her material. And brilliantly. (Honorio)
Place in the 1998 poll: 7
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 18
Eminem - The Slim Shady LP (1999)
Score: 1452 points
Nicolas (#4), Twister (#10), Howlin' Andrew (#1
Place in the 1999 poll: 6
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 79
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - The Good Son (1990)
Score: 1453 points
Fred (#12), Greg (#16), Michel (#2
Place in the 1990 poll: 9
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 152
Line of excellent albums there and Nick Cave rightfully leading it, I'd say. What's Ride, "Nowhere"? Never heard of it (and my fault I'm sure).
Sadly I was expecting such low ranking of Lauryn Hill
Hi, there. Today I'm with you. Will be fun, had it already by reading yesterdays songg count down.
Still don't really see any big shock early exits. Blur are certainly a bit of a talking point over the two lists - I for one am disappointed by their low placings.
At the beginning I will also follow the football Euro 2008 draw. I'm a bit dissapointed alredy. Tool, RATM, Soundgarden, Check your head alredy out. It won't be a ROCK list. Probably I have a negative correlation w/ the final list.
Even the best Americana album that one could vote for is out with Being there. Hope that at least some INDIE-Rock will find its way in the Top 20...
Out of 20, still only 2 that came even in the top 5 of their respective yearly polls. I guess that shows consistency at the very least.
a better Nick Cave Album, eg Boatmans call would probably have scored higher.
Correlations with the total poll for you guys (and me):
Correlation with AM:
The critics know better!
I didn't even checek which Nick Cave albums are running (I'm getting all the suspense for free ). Personally I'd take 1994's Let Love In.
Until this correlation figure I always thought I have an "informed-mainstream" taste
.. with the except of Radiohead and Blur but lowest ranking aren't disclosed. So you won't disgard me
For most of the way yesterday, I managed to listen to a lot of the tracks as we went long (skipping ones I don't own + a few others). That'll be hard to do with entire albums, but just for starters I dug out my vinyl copy of Pills 'n' thrills. This looks like one enjoyable sunday.
Honorio, you're right that hip-hop has gotten more points in this album poll. That's strange, to me hip-hop is better in small doses.
Yeah, i've already got through Blur s/t and RATM s/t. Nothing against non self-titled albums though...
I moved to Zurich 2 months ago, but my CD collection will follow only after new years eve On my laptop is only more recently published music
Honorio, you're right that hip-hop has gotten more points in this album poll. That's strange, to me hip-hop is better in small doses.
Agree 100%. I enjoy quite a lot of hip-hop songs but the vast majority of rap albums are absurdly long and repetitive.
Well, happy new year indeed to Torsten then
Foo Fighters - Foo Fighters (1995)
Score: 1454 points
SuperFurry (#6), Toni (#11), LonesomePanda (#13)
It’s very good for a post-grunge album, ya gotta give it that. (Rendle)
Can't put it over Nevermind of course… but good grief might be one of the best "grunge" song ever (LonesomePanda)
Place in the 1995 poll: 9
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 169
Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes (1992)
Score: 1459 points
Tim (#2), John (#14), Twister (#19)
Place in the 1992 poll: 9
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 88
Manic Street Preachers - Everything Must Go (1996)
Score: 1466 points
Johan (#1), SuperFurry (#7), Fred (#9)
Place in the 1996 poll: 6
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 84
Beck - Midnite Vultures (1999)
Score: 1486 points
tremolo, Schwah and Toni (#14)
One of those albums that fades in my estimation until I re-listen to it. I think because it pales in comparison to Odelay, Mutations, and Sea Change. However the tracks are really quite good. The problem is the joke wears thin over an entire album (but at the end, with "Debra," becomes funny again). (Schwah)
Place in the 1999 poll: 10
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 109
Spiritualized - Lazer Guided Melodies (1992)
Score: 1486 points
SuperFurry (#4), EdAmes and otisredding (#10)
Place in the 1992 poll: 10
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 192
Suede - Suede (1993)
Score: 1493 points
Rocky Raccoon (#12), Fred (#17), Johan (#1
Place in the 1993 poll: 9
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 83
Neil Young - Ragged Glory (1990)
Score: 1508 points
Miguel (#13), Greg, Nicolas and Rocky Raccoon (#1
A renewed Young made the first great grunge album (before “Nevermind” and “Ten” doing his usual album with Crazy Horse. But louder and dirtier. (Honorio)
Place in the 1990 poll: 7
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 85
Sonic Youth - Dirty (1992)
Score: 1511 points
Jonah (#6), Torsten (#10), Johan (#14)
For some reason I never warmed to Goo the same way I have to Dirty. I think it was because I was force fed Goo by a college roommate -- an important event in my musical education that woke me up from my blinding fixation on classic rock through high school. But I still resisted it as too much noise. Then when Dirty came out, I got it. I began to get the fun in it -- to hear the melody's relationship with the dissonance, rather than viewing them as antagonizing elements. Pavement soon followed. While Nirvana and Pearl Jam were blowing up for other kids my age, these were the landmarks for me. (Schwah)
Place in the 1992 poll: 5
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 134
Sugar - Copper Blue (1992)
Score: 1514 points
Fred (#1), EdAmes (# , Harold Wexler (#20)
Place in the 1992 poll: 8
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 118
Buena Vista Social Club - Buena Vista Social Club (1997)
Score: 1514 points
Miguel (#2), otisredding (# , Henrik (#17)
Place in the 1997 poll: 9
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 70
I don't except "classic" Hip Hop in high ranks, nevertheless. Someone already said that the omission of A Tribe Called Quest and Gag Starr is ashaming for us.
Eminem was MY discovery od this poll
Noohh - "Dirty" so low? The most popular album of one of my favorite all-time bands.
Suede already out? I thought this will be a Brit-Pop list?
I'd like to celebrate this round by putting Copper Blue on - but strangely, I only own it as a cassette tape, and the player broke down. Talk about technology catching you with your pants down. So it'll be Amos, Beck or Young, I guess ...
Incidentally, Honorio, love your designation of Ragged Glory as "first grunge album". So obviously true, but never thought of it that way.
Time to put on the Foo Fighters.
I like the comment by Schwah on "Dirty". Seems like we have the same musical education We will see how far "Goo" will go, what I think of Sonic Youths creative peak.
The Verve - Urban Hymns (1997)
Score: 1515 points
Neoptolemos (#4), DrDre (#6), Chris (#11)
“Bittersweet Symphony” starts off this bittersweet album. It has highs and lows like everything else. (Rendle)
In the shadows of OK Computer. First album half is top of the bill, second half is just great. (DrDre)
way overrated (LonesomePanda)
Place in the 1997 poll: 6
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 32
Moby - Play (1999)
Score: 1518 points
Neoptolemos (#3), Henrik and Michel (#
Place in the 1999 poll: 5
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 34
Tom Waits - Bone Machine (1992)
Score: 1521 points
Nicolas (#3), Greg (#5), tremolo (#9)
Far from accommodating with age, Tom Waits approach was even more radical than before, with his hoarse voice coming straight from hell. (Honorio)
Place in the 1992 poll: 7
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 117
The Boo Radleys - Giant Steps (1993)
Score: 1523 points
tremolo (#6), Dumbangel (#7), otisredding (#9)
Place in the 1993 poll: 7
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 132
Nas - Illmatic (1994)
Score: 1523 points
Paul Manusama (#1), Slush (#2), Vgrd (#
Place in the 1994 poll: 10
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 76
Sonic Youth - Goo (1990)
Score: 1528 points
Torsten (#2), Nicolas (#6), Johan (#15)
Place in the 1990 poll: 8
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 92
Pixies - Bossanova (1990)
Score: 1534 points
John and Toni (#10), Fred (#13)
Pixies avoided in the third album the quiet-loud-quiet structures replacing it with a delicate guitar work and a weird sci-fi imagery. (Honorio)
I love Pixies, and this one shows again the capacity of making hermectic songs hidding layers and layers of inspired melodies and harmonies that they had developed in the 80s. (Toni)
Place in the 1990 poll: 4
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 129
Beastie Boys - Hello Nasty (199
Score: 1535 points
LonesomePanda (#5), Torsten (#7), Michel (#12)
Ill communication might have been in my top 3, but this one is nearly as eclectic, mad and inventive (LonesomePanda)
Place in the 1998 poll: 9
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 148
Depeche Mode - Violator (1990)
Score: 1537 points
Henrik (#3), Honorio (#11), Chris (#17)
The masters of 80s techno pop stepped with confidence into the 90s, delivering the first electronica masterpiece of the decade. (Honorio)
Place in the 1990 poll: 2
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 100
Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral (1994)
Score: 1547 points
Jonah (#5), rendler (#6), Chris (#15)
I really do not like “Closer”. The rest of the album is really good though. I like the original version of “Hurt” better than Johnny Cash’s cover. (Rendle)
Place in the 1994 poll: 7
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 39
And that's 3 out of my top 5 gone.
Oh man. If id've voted, Urban Hymns woulda been my #2. Gutted - that album never drops the ball.
Some of my favourites leaving soon but anyway... a great list so far.
Neoptolemos, I can feel with you. Although only 3 albums of my Top 10 out already.
Well, of those 10 I only own The Downward Spiral and Bone Machine (it's not that I dislike The Verve, just coincidence, I guess). I'll be putting on Waits -- and vice versa (that's an obscenely dated joke, right?)
I haven't heard NAS for years, look forward to do this next year Have very an astonishing matur album in mind, but here it seems for some to THE best Hip-Hop, will chekck this
I regard "Hello nasty" as Beastie Boys' best album. Seems like other voters feel the same.
Hm.. I just noticed, my #1 was #100 and my #100 was #99.
I'll see you all a bit later - my parents are over for coffee
well, I'm busy today. The wife and my newborn son are back home from the maternity hospital.
Well, I saw some of my favorites already (Tom Waits, Eminem) but I knew they would be at the end of the list
This forum and especially this poll are very indie/college rock/britpop-oriented, and I know Tom Waits isn't exactly a consensus.
I'd be surprised if OK Computer wouldn't win. Even I put it at nb 2
Pulp - This Is Hardcore (199
Score: 1549 points
Twister and otisredding (#11), Dumbangel (#13)
Place in the 1998 poll: 8
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 119
R.E.M. - New Adventures in Hi-Fi (1996)
Score: 1555 points
Greg (# , Neoptolemos (#13), Twister and Mo (#16)
Place in the 1996 poll: 5
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 157
Boards of Canada - Music Has the Right to Children (199
Score: 1557 points
tremolo (#7), EdAmes (#11), Jonah and Mitchell Stirling (#12)
Well, I only have listened to this one once, guess it could win a few steps on my list with other listening. (LonesomePanda)
Place in the 1998 poll: 10
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 143
Pavement - Wowee Zowee (1995)
Score: 1562 points
Torsten (#1), Michel (#2), Dumbangel (#9)
Place in the 1995 poll: 10
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 320
Weezer - Weezer (The Blue Album) (1994)
Score: 1563 points
Paul Manusama (#4), Slush (#7), Schwah and Johan (#10)
Well, it’s not Pinkerton, and it kind of sounds dated, or maybe I’e just worn it out. It’s such an odd album, so happy, but it feels like something’s being held back. (Rendle)
Three fantastic singles do not make a great album. So it is delightful when the deeper cuts are strong. A fun, poppy, rock album. (Schwah)
Place in the 1994 poll: 6
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 90
Talk Talk - Laughing Stock (1991)
Score: 1577 points
Vgrd (#2), tremolo (#3), Johan (#7)
Place in the 1991 poll: 9
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 104
Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk (1996)
Score: 1586 points
pop elton (#2), Johan (#4), Mo (#5)
Place in the 1996 poll: 7
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 191
Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet (1990)
Score: 1587 points
otisredding (#1), Rocky Raccoon (# , Vgrd (#9)
Place in the 1990 poll: 1
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 17
PJ Harvey - Dry (1992)
Score: 1589 points
EdAmes (#5), Michel (#15), Torsten (#17)
Place in the 1992 poll: 4
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 73
Slint - Spiderland (1991)
Score: 1594 points
EdAmes (#2), Henrik (#7), tremolo and Rendle (#10)
May possibly be the scariest and saddest album ever made. (Rendle)
Place in the 1991 poll: 8
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 61
Hi, back again.
Already had two shocking moments today:
1) The best Americana album of the 90's, the best Wilco album (for me), Being There, already out at #85!
2) Holland draws Italy, France and Romania at Euro 2008!
My god !
are you sure ?
Holland, France and Italy ?
Ok Let's beat the Italians and romanians and qualify !
You probably know Dr Dre that Italians are our football enemies (it was Germany in the 80's now it's Italy)
So I bet on France and Holland
Like they stood a chance if they would have drawn Malta, Cyprus and Liechtenstein.
Ouch, that was a strong group. I guess that becomes inevitable as we go on. Sorry to see Pulp and Belle & Sebastian go in particular.
And that is a killer group. With England out, I'm supporting Holland (I was born in Amsterdam)- that's gonna make for an awesome group stage!
The other groups are so easy
We're in the death group
And it could have been worse : Germany was in the same pot as Romania..
I dopn't understand UEFA and why they don't make their pots according to FIFA's ranking
I'm afraid Italy is a favorite
OK, deal, nicolas!
Our football enemies of this decade are Portugal: We missed WC2002 partly because of them, and lost against them at both Euro2004 and WC2006. The last one with 16 yellow cards and the match ending 9 against 9 ...
Well, it's gonna be interesting for sure.
Now, back to the music. What would be today's slogan?
Something like: "OK, dummy, nevermind!" or is that a bit too offensive?
Nevermind the automatic computer, dummy.
You think R.E.M. has a change, Max? Well, it's still my favorite band of all time, so I wouldn't mind.
change --> chance
Or 'grace the loveless bulletin, maybe'?
I would be disappointed if it doesn't end up in the shake-up somewhere, yeah. Top 10 for sure?
Top 10 is reasonable for Automatic, yeah, but I would be surprised if OK Computer and Nevermind would not form the top 2. Well, yesterday a lot of us were surprised with Pulp as winner, so who knows ...
MightMadMax I'm with you on Grace
It is my number one
or "O, nevermind dummy, automic computer delay"
Nevermind the automatic computer baby, dummy.
Don't forget U2.
O-delay , didn't get get right away. Original one, Torsten!
No real favourites of mine in the #51-60, although some of them are very good albums. Rendle, your comments on “Laughing Stock” were hilarious.
That's a good one Torsten.
Er, dammit. I get used to clicking 'disable smilies'. Let's try:
That's a good one, Torsten.
Time for some more voting stats.
Here are the pairs of voters with the highest agreement in the album poll.
1. Harold Wexler and Rocky Raccoon 0.57
2. Harold Wexler and John 0.49
3. DrDre and Anthony 0.48
4. Mitchell Stirling and SuperFurry 0.46
5. otisredding and tremolo 0.45
6. Harold Wexler and Greg 0.44
7. Collin and Jonah 0.42
7. Dumbangel and Twister 0.42
7. DrDre and Neoptolemos 0.42
7. Harold Wexler and Midaso 0.42
7. Midaso and Chris 0.42
12. Greg and Rocky Raccoon 0.41
12. Harold Wexler and Chris 0.41
14. DrDre and Dumbangel 0.40
14. Vgrd and tremolo 0.40
14. Anthony and Chris 0.40
Next time, we could just ask Harold to compile the list for all of us.
Well, if all PJ and B&S fans would have voted for the same album I hope they also would have a Top 10 chance. There is a minor problem when there is no consens fav-album among fans. I did not packed all the albums of my beloved musicians in the Top 10, but distributed them a bit.
These stats are very interesting, Henrik. Which correlation coefficient do you use for that? Or: What does the value 0.57 mean?
Thanks, as I recognized now, I borrowed a lot from MightyMadMax, but that’s my computer delay. I also support “Grace”, but feel a bit uncomfortable with cover-albums/songs. By the way, isn’t it unfair that Nirvana-MTV is not out yet?.
I'm off for now, will be back in a couple of hours.
next time you should ask me not to distore the list with presumally negative correlations...
Alternatively, here are everybody's "best friend".
Collin - Jonah
Tim - Mo
Greg - Harold Wexler
Jonah - Collin
Twister - Dumbangel
Torsten - Rocky Raccoon and Nicolas
Rocky Raccoon - Harold Wexler
Dr Dre - Anthony
Dumbangel - Twister
EdAmes - tremolo
Vgrd - tremolo
tremolo - otisredding
Neoptolemos - DrDre
Honorio - Henrik
Anthony - DrDre
Harold Wexler - Rocky Raccoon
pop elton - Jonah and rendler
John - Harold Wexler
Howlin' Andrew - Anthony
Midaso - Harold Wexler and Chris
Mo - Harold Wexler
Michel - Schwah
Fred - Mitchell Stirling and Slush
Schwah - Michel
SuperFurry - Mitchell Stirling
Paul Manusama - Collin
Miguel - LonesomePanda
Chris - Midaso
rendler - Midaso
otisredding - tremolo
LonesomePanda - Torsten
Johan - Honorio and Mitchell Stirling
Nicolas - Torsten
Rendle - Chris
Mike Kelly - Greg
Mitchell Stirling - SuperFurry
Slush - Paul Manusama
Toni - SuperFurry
Henrik - Honorio
Henrik is the statistician, but not to give a formula, a correlation of 0.57 could be interpreted somehow as that one ranking could be derived by the other to a degree of 57%. The remaining 43 % are your absolutly personal taste.
Well, I'm not bothered by covers
I don't mind if "Hallelujah", "Lilac Wine" or "Corpus Christi" are covers, as long as they sound good, and as long as there are also brilliant compositions on that album (like the title track for instance)
Probably because I'm a blues and country fan
in blues, evrey song in a sense is a cover
if the singer adds something from him or herself to the song, it doesn't matter
So then, a personal warm hello, Nicola! My child will be born only in March, so I have still time for this fun. Congratulations to you for the newborn and the good music taste.
I have used Pearson's correlation coefficient, and this coefficient can be anything between -1 and 1. If the lists are exactly the same the correlation is 1 and if they are exactly the opposite the correlation is -1.
Concerning covers: No question I really love "Grace", but for such a list it is hard for me, to compare the additional input of a singer and arrangeur with absolutely new songs, style etc.
The Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (1995)
Score: 1599 points
Greg (#4), pop elton (#5), Anthony (#6)
Half of Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness is brilliant, it has material up there with Siamese Dream, but the other half... not so much. Still good though. “Porcelina” and “Thru The Eyes OF Ruby” are epic Pumpkins at their best. (Rendle)
Would really be higher if there was just one disc with the best songs (LonesomePanda)
Place in the 1995 poll: 6
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 42
Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels on a Gravel Road (199
Score: 1600 points
Greg (#6), Rocky Raccoon (#7), DrDre (#12)
If you like alternative country and rough voices, Lucinda is your woman. (DrDre)
Place in the 1998 poll: 6
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 37
Weezer - Pinkerton (1996)
Score: 1611 points
Paul Manusama (#5), Anthony (# , Slush (#14)
Love has never looked so ugly. (Rendle)
Upping the angst from The Blue Album, but lowering the fun slightly. (Schwah)
Place in the 1996 poll: 4
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 114
PJ Harvey - Rid of Me (1993)
Score: 1624 points
otisredding (#4), Torsten (#5), tremolo and Schwah (#
The uncompromising songwriting of PJ Harvey and the “take-no-prisoners” production of Steve Albini created this raw chef d’oeuvre. (Honorio)
A true artist. Not as great as Songs from the City, Songs from the Sea. But rawer, fresher, and more shocking. (Schwah)
Place in the 1993 poll: 5
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 63
The La's - The La's (1990)
Score: 1625 points
DrDre (#3), Michel (#4), Tim (#10)
Best britpop album ever! Too bad they only made one. (DrDre)
Place in the 1990 poll: 3
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 94
Tindersticks - Tindersticks (1993)
Score: 1628 points
Michel (#1), Torsten (#6), EdAmes (#7)
The style of the Tindersticks debut could be called “nocturnal”, cause the impact of the music is stronger when the shadows around grows darker. (Honorio)
Place in the 1993 poll: 8
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 201
Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space (1997)
Score: 1654 points
Tim (#1), Mitchell Stirling (#3), Vgrd (#7)
Place in the 1997 poll: 2
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 48
Tricky - Maxinquaye (1995)
Score: 1659 points
otisredding (#7), Collin and Schwah (#9)
Black Steel is great, but I don't enjoy the remaining songs as much (LonesomePanda)
I remember arguing at the time this came out with a Brit about the relative merits of Tricky, Portishead, and (post-Tricky) Massive Attack. I think I may still be in the minority on this one… Tricky (or at least Maxinquaye) is better. More sex, more tension, more anger. Portishead does have more pain in Beth Gibbons voice, but it's at a remove. An interesting, cinematic remove... but a remove nonetheless. Tricky has a bit too much of the hip-hop bravado about him, but not too much, and not enough to drown out the more important themes in his album. (Schwah)
Place in the 1995 poll: 7
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 15
Pearl Jam - Ten (1991)
Score: 1663 points
Anthony and Rendle (#1), Chris (#3)
A nostalgic favorite. (Anthony)
Believe it or not, this is my favorite album of the nineties... hell it’s my favorite album of all time. Even my two favorite bands (The Beatles and Radiohead, respectively) only hold the second and third spots on my all time list (Kid A and Revolver, respectively). Ten is one of those albums where I think to myself why I like it so much. But I guess I just do because I do, it just fits so perfectly together. Grunge was never as dark as “Jeremy”, “Porch”, and “Once” and never as beautiful as “Black”, “Gardens” and “Release”. (Rendle)
Place in the 1991 poll: 7
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 26
Björk - Post (1995)
Score: 1667 points
Schwah (#6), Torsten and Nicolas (#
Bjork -- who I adore as a voice, a personality, but above all as a musician -- never created an album that matches up to the sum of its parts, somehow. Post and Homogenic came close, though. (Vespertine, I felt, was not as good.) But with parts this good, I shouldn't complain. And of course, in Hyper-Ballad, it has quite possibly the greatest song of the 90's on it. (Schwah)
Place in the 1995 poll: 5
Acclaimed Music 1990s rank: 55
I'm gonna have to leave you guys to it for a while. I hope to be back for the climax. Before I go I would say that I get the impression that that Spiritualized album is hugely underrated here. Probably would've made my top 10.
Thanks Torsten !
And congratulations for the baby and of course for the musical taste (Björk)
Björk is a real discovery for me as well. IT was not my "natural" style of music, but my wife is a fan, she used to listen to "Post" a lot when we met, and when I listened to her albums I really fell in love again (with Björk or Sophie ? both of course...)
For the moments, her 3 first albums are in my all-time top 100
3 personal Top 10 albums out in one block. Only 3 remaining
If "Vs" of Pearl Jam would have made it in 1993 it would have get much more point from me than "Ten". Not so important historically, but sounds fresher today imo.
Unhfortunately I can check in only briefly this morning (yes, still morning here), but I was very happy to see that Exile in Guyville (my #2) still hasn't shown up. I was afraid that it was starting to fall in acclaime (maybe because of Liz's career after that brilliant release--though I think some of what followed has been nearly as good, esp. whitechocolatespaceegg).
Niiiice list so far!
So my highest level of correlation is with you, Henrik. And yours is with me!! The only think I can say is that it is a complete honour for me and… hooray!!!
With Björk the same for me, the first 3 all in my Top 100. And that although my girlfriend thinks she is too exalted. The debut I learnt to love only in the hindsight, but if I'm not wrong will score here the best.
Tindersticks and Lucinda Wiliams in this batch - wow. And I assume we haven't seen the last of PJ Harvey?
Nicolas, I wish your wife had taken part in this poll too, with such a great taste. Please forward my congratulations to her also about your newborn baby!
What would this list look like if our wifes/girlfriends/sisters did it instead?
Snusmumrik, sounds like you haven't seen the nomination list. That must make the countdown even more exciting!
Henrik, speaking strictly for my own household, a female takeover would tilt the balance slightly towards the mainstream. Like, more Springsteen and less PJ Harvey. But would be nice to have both apects participating.
You're right Henrik, I noticed the nomination list was there, but realised I wouldn't get around to putting a seriously thought-through vote together, so I'm getting the maximum suspense all for free
If my wife had voted the first 6 songs of her songs poll would had been the Radiohead ones.
Most correlated with the poll total:
1. Harold Wexler 0.63
2. Midaso 0.60
3. Mitchell Stirling 0.54
4. Chris 0.52
5. Honorio 0.47
5. rendler 0.47
7. DrDre 0.46
8. Rocky Raccoon 0.45
9. Greg 0.44
10. Rendle 0.43
Most aligned with the critics:
1. Harold Wexler 0.49
2. Rocky Raccoon 0.46
3. DrDre 0.42
4. Mitchell Stirling 0.41
5. Howlin' Andrew 0.39
5. Midaso 0.39
7. Henrik 0.38
7. Honorio 0.38
7. rendler 0.38
10. Chris 0.35
The only voters who are more aligned with the critics than the poll result are Twister, Howlin' Andrew, Rocky Raccoon and,uh...me.