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In regards to a database error from the last update- Henrik, when you do points calculations, do you go back and redo them all when doing an update? I know you had said that you said would be recalculating those couple of Guardian lists from the last update, with the next one or whatever. Also just curious about that in general. Thanks, sir. :)
Apparently it's "Lifes Rich Pageant" (without the apostrophe).
I'm not sure which version you've included, but shouldn' tit be Born Slippy.NUXX. Or is that along the same line as the La's song?
Not really a song error, but the "Acclaimed Music In Outer Cyberspace" link doesn't work anymore. Here's the new one: http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Music/article/listing-the-lists/
The 2002 Wilco song is "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart", not "I'm Trying to Break Your Heart"
arctic monkeys first album is now 5 rating on allmusic.com
arctic monkeys album "whatever people say..." is now 5 rating on allmusic.com
King Sunny Adé is nowhere to be found in the artists lists as far as I can see.
Salif Keita's Soro lists AudioEnz as one of the critics to pick the album, but when going to the AudioEnz website they actually mention Folon, his 1995 album, not Soro.
One last thing, you updated the top link for the poll history, but there's one on the bottom left on the main page as well that still links to the wrong one.
Ah, I was ctrl+f'ing for Adé. In that case, it's just a spelling error.
There's a missing space after the comma in Bright Eyes' "Lifted or the Story Is in the Soil, Keep Your Ear to the Ground".
And to continue with nitpicking: Kraftwerk's 1975 album should be changed to "Radio-Aktivität" with a capital "A".
Fine Young Cannibals' "The Raw and the Cooked" is listed as an album from 1989, but it actually came out in 1988.
The "5" Royales have two separate pages now, one under their correct name (listed under "#"), and another still as "The Five Royales" (listed under "F").
The Dust Brothers are not listed in the Artists Lists as far as I can tell.
The only song by The Dust Brothers is not by the American duo but by an early iteration of The Chemical Brothers of the same name and is therefore listed under The Chemical Brothers. I suppose you could argue there should be a link for The Dust Brothers linking to the page for The Chemical Brothers, but I think most people know Chemical Beats as a song by The Chemical Brothers.
Yeah, this is the case for more than a few artists. They're listed under their own name but attributed to the future (or former) name of the artist so as to include it in the artist calculations.
Tubeway Army material can be found under Gary Numan, but this one is a lot more contentious. Why is Tubeway Army solely credited to Numan, while, for example, The Birthday Party is not credited to Nick Cave? Henrik has likely had to made a judgment call here.
Thanks so much for your patience with me as I point out these apparently inconsistent listings (probably not reasonably viewed as errors).
The latest act that I was unable to find in the Artist listing, but did find in the top 3000 Songs listing is Ciccone Youth.
Ciccone Youth = Sonic Youth
I think someone made a case a while ago for Tubeway Army to be merged with Gary Numan. I think Numan just continued under his own name with the same people behind him, but I'm not sure about this.
For song number 491, Aretha Franklin's "I Never Loved A Man (The Way I Love You)", there should be parenthesis around "The Way I Love You"
Why is the Anthrax feat. Chuck D version of Bring the Noise listed under Public Enemy?
Regarding Hank Williams, Jr...
There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding the song that he has "bubbling under." In 1981, Williams Jr. released "All My Rowdy Friends (Have Settled Down)," off the album The Pressure Is On. In 1984, he released "All My Rowdy Friends Are Coming Over Tonight," off the album Major Moves. This second song is instantly recognizable to American football fans as the theme song for Monday Night Football.
Currently, AM has "All My Rowdy Friends Are Coming Over Tonight" (the second song) as "bubbling under," and the page for that song shows that it appears on two different lists: 365 Songs of the Century and The 100 Best Singles of the 80s. The former list clearly states that the #324 song "of the century" is "All My Rowdy Friends Are Coming Over." No problem here. However, the second list states that the #87 "single of the 80s" is "All My Rowdy Friends." The song title does not specify which "rowdy" song is officially #87, but the list states that this particular "rowdy" song is from 1981, leading me to believe that it is referencing the "Settled Down" version. Just a heads-up.
Martha and the Vandella's "Heatwave" should be "(Love is Like A) Heat Wave" You forgot the parenthesis part and "Heat Wave" should be two words.
"Naked City" (with the album "Torture Garden") and "John Zorn" (with the album "Naked City") should be the same artist.
Quoting the Wikipedia articles for the two albums that are on Acclaimed Music:
Torture Garden is an album by John Zorn's band Naked City featuring Yamatsuka Eye on vocals. The album is a compilation of the "hardcore miniatures" that were also released on Naked City and Grand Guignol.
Naked City is an album released on Nonesuch Records in 1990 by John Zorn, featuring the band of the same name.
Sorry for sounding so picky but isn't it BANGLES instead of THE BANGLES....? Well, not a big deal...
Same with COMMODORES...
I'm new to this board, so I don't know if this has been brought up before. I have a database in which I've entered most of the Billboard Top 40 titles and artists from Whitburn. I am now cross-indexing the Acclaimed Top 3000 song list and I notice a number of inconsistencies in titles (spelling, parentheses, punctuation, etc) between the two sources. Also, when posting quizzes on Sporcle based on this site, I have had a number of corrections suggested by quiz takers. One of the more common issues is that two words in the English title are sometimes joined together (e.g. Hong Kong becomes Hongkong, Punk Rocker becomes Punkrocker), which I believe is a common practice in non-English languages.
Henrik, my question is: Do you want me to report these differences as I find them? Might be a good new thread. Or do you receive a lot of these already? Joel Whitburn lists his titles as found on the original single release in the USA; I take this as canon, myself, for US artists.
This is a pretty insignificant error but it's irritated me.
The John Lennon/Yoko Ono 'Double Fantasy' album was listed at number 7 on the 1980 Pazz and Jop Poll not at 37.
You've added an extra "L" in "Merriweather Post Pavillion" "Pavilion" should only have one "L".
Isn't it MASTER BLASTER in two words for Stevie Wonder's song.....?
I've noticed that Bob Dylan's 2001 song 'Mississippi' is not as acclaimed on this site as it should be. It has since been added to RS 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time List as well as ranking highly on RS 100 best songs of the 00s. Both rankings are omitted on this list. I'm just saying, that's all...
have not been added to the site yet. Same for 2000s songs lists.
"To Hell With Poverty!" by Gang of Four was first released in 1982 on the Another Day/Another Dollar EP, not 1981.
From the Wikipedia article on the "Birth of the Cool" album-
"Originally released as singles, eight of the tracks were compiled in 1953 on a 10" vinyl album in Capitol's Classics in Jazz series, and Birth of the Cool was released in 1957 as a 12" LP that added the remaining three unreleased instrumental pieces ("Move", "Budo" and "Boplicity")."
Doesn't this mean that the album listed on the AM website should be changed to, at least a release date of 1953 if you're counting the Classics in Jazz release as the same entity as the Birth of the Cool release? This might sound like nitpicking, but I'm genuinely curious.
For reference, here is the book cited in the Wikipedia article-
I'm not sure if this list can be used but here I offer it.
As I'm going through the 1,001 Songs/10,001 to Download book, there are some credit notes I'm making. But one that really struck me- and I don't know if it's been discussed here or not- is "White Lines (Don't Don't Do It). Despite a U.S. credit as "Grandmaster & Melle Mel" and some international pressings crediting him, Grandmaster Flex had no participation in the track. Should it be credited under Grandmaster Flash?
Have we ever had the discussion here on whether King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown is a compilation or not? I can't find it anywhere in the forums, but at least on RYM they seem to have decided it is a compilation using this as a source; more specifically the sentence: "All of the tracks are drawn from Augustus Pablo's group of labels - Yard Music - International - Rockers and Hot Stuff. (The Message label was to come later)." Here's the discussion.
Henrik, just giving an early heads-up RE the 1,001/10,001 Songs. In column E, I'm making credit or title comments (not on minor things like "and" or "&"), and adding "featuring" credits that do not appear in the spreadsheet, preceded by a semi-colon following the "X" or "X+." In a lot of cases, it's acts who may not have a presence on AM on their own, so you wouldn't have to be concerned too much with those. For example, "Let Me Blow Ya Mind" did not have Gwen Stefani's name in the spreadsheet, so I added it (even though she already is credited for the track at AM).
But, occasionally, we have something like "Justified and Ancient." Tammy Wynette's name was not credited to the song in the spreadsheet, and also not at AM. It is a "featuring Tammy Wynette' credit. So, the track should be listed under her, in addition to KLF.
Just a heads-up, so you're aware of things like that for later on. :)
Also, on RYM they've decided Blue Train is 1958 rather than 1957.
Not sure if this was mentioned- but the link for the Bruce Pollock books takes you to the New York Times Jazz book link.
McCoy Tyner's album "Enlightenment" is listed as being from 1974, but Wikipedia and Discogs say it came out in 1973.
Faust's album "IV" is also listed as being from 1974, but actually came out in 1973.
In regards to the latest update:
1. The link for Grammys 2009 songs (for instance, on Black Eyed Peas' I Gotta Feeling" and Taylor Swift's "You Belong With Me" pages) is the one for the Pitchfork 2000s albums list.
2. The Porcys 2000-2004 singles list takes you to the Forums index, rather than the thread for the list.
3. It looks like The Guardian 1000 link appears in place of the ranked 75 Best Singles of the 2000s link for all pertinent tracks.
Henrik, I sent an e-mail in regards to a couple other things, that you can check out at your convenience.
-In the artist lists, 2Pac is from California not New York
-There is a typo, 1993 Wu-Tang Clan it should be Cash rules everything around me not Crash...
1993 Wu-Tang Clan it should be Cash rules everything around me not Crash...
Thanks JR and Chris.
Arcade Fire's Bubblin album is mispelt (you added a "u" in "Neighborhood".
Also, the work (Laika) should be in parenthesis.
Thanks for the update and all the great work ! I'm saying it here because the dedicated topic seems to have gone off the tracks for a while now.
And to stay in line with that topic, I point out that "Claude Francois" should be written "Claude François", actually. :)
Not many major errors have been found in the last update, making me happy.
I hope I didn't say too much now...
Regarding the spreadsheet, I think that, despite being included in the recent NME list with the 150 songs in its lifetime, "The Hindu Times" is not included.
Anyway, keep it up well Henrik
Fleet Foxes' "White Winter Hymnal" is incorrectly listed as "Winter White Hymnal."
The Microphones and Mount Eerie are the same person (Phil Elvrum) using different monikers. So they should have a combined entry, right?
Thanks for the update! I was updating my AM playlists when I noticed that Sam Cooke's "Shake" was listed in 1965. It was released as the A-side of "A Change is Gonna Come" at the very end of 1964. As such, both songs should be listed in 1964.
Also, and I apologize if this has been discussed before, but wasn't "For What It's Worth" released in January 1967? I know Buffalo Springfield's debut album came out in late 1966, but the original pressings did not include "For What It's Worth," which was added only after the song became a hit.
The Kanye West song "Diamonds from Sierra Leone" is incorrectly listed as "Diamond from Sierra Leone". Also, the song that the critics list are referring to is most likely the remix version of "Diamonds from Sierra Leone", as that version was a single, while the non-remix was a hidden track at the end of "Late Registration". So the song should probably be renamed as "Diamonds from Sierra Leone (Remix)".
Thanks for the link, Stephan. I was unsure about Buffalo Springfield. Discogs also notes that Cooke's "Shake" came out in December 1964.
The band's name is Dyke and The Blazers, not The Dyke and Blazers.
Weezer's "Buddy Holly" is referenced as #497 in the "500 Greatest Songs Of All Time" list by Rolling Stone-however, it's 499.
"What It's Like" by Everlast should be listed under 1998, not 1999, according to Wikipedia and Discogs.
"Don't Speak" by No Doubt should be in 1995, not 1996. It was released as a single in 1996, but it was on Tragic Kingdom, which was released in 1995.
"Super Bon Bon" should be 1996 (according to Discogs). It also peaked on the modtern rock charts in the U.S. in 1996.
"Don't Speak" should be listed in 1995. It was released as a single in 1996. But Tragic Kingdom was released in 1995.
According to Wikipedia and Discogs, "I Got a Man" should be listed under 1992, not 1993.
According to discogs, "Why Do Fools Fall in Love" was released in 1956.
According to Discogs, "Psychedelic Shack" was released in 1969. It peaked in the U.S. in 1970.
The Flaming Lips song is "Waitin' for a Superman" not "Waiting for Superman".
Yes, the calculations are based on matchup scores rather than a sum of points from each critics' list, and therefore I need to rerun all data for every update, not just add the new lists to the existing scores.
I hope that was clear or answered your question, JR.
Yes, indeed. For another example and on a related note- if a list was added to a track's page after the update (i.e. what we discussed in e-mail), it gets factored in when you perform the pertinent update.
Thanks for the reply, sir. :)
Out of the blue of ELO is now 3.5 on allmusic
Elvis Country (I'm 10,000 Years Old) is now 4.5
greendale of neil young is 64 on metacritic
labelle link on The Top 1000 Artists of All Time (816) is broken
All That You Can't Leave Behind from u2
is 79 on metacritic
i've seen 3.5 on allmusic for album Moanin' in the Moonlight and 4.5 for howlin' wolf(1962)
from howlin wolf
for emma, forever ago is 4 on allmusic
i'll see it on year 2008 rather than 2007
Where You Go I Go Too of lindstrom is 4 on allmusic
the virgin suicides from air is 77 on metacritic
the libertines of the libertines is 3.5 on allmusic
the raven from the stranglers is 3.5 on allmusic
Hoodoo Man Blues from Junior Wells is 4.5 on allmusic
Seventh Tree of goldfrapp is 4 on allmusic
The Seldom Seen Kid of elbow is 4 on allmusic
clouds of joni mitchell is now 4.5 on allmusic
Buffalo Tom has one song from 1992 bubbling under.
The title of the song is not "Twilight Fade", but should be "Taillights Fade".
Tour De France Soundtracks of kraftwerk has 73 on metacritic
It Still Moves from my morning jacket is now 4 on allmusic
Thanks for all these corrections, Iagire!
To complete the list that Iagire started above, the following albums were 'promoted' by AllMusic to full five star status earlier this year. Links are included for convenience:
Amy Winehouse - Back to Black
Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not
Arcade Fire - Funeral
The Avalanches - Since I Left You
Beyoncé - B'Day
Burial - Untrue
Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
Daft Punk - Discovery
Dizzie Rascal - Boy In Da Corner
The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
Green Day - American Idiot
Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
Kanye West - The College Dropout
Kanye West - Late Registration
The Kills - Midnight Boom
Miranda Lambert - Crazy Ex-Girlfriend
M.I.A - Arular
N.W.A - Straight Outta Compton
Queens of the Stone Age - Rated R
Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf
Radiohead - Kid A
The Shins - Oh, Inverted World
The Streets - Original Pirate Material
The White Stripes - White Blood Cells
At The Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
Darktrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
Electric Wizard - Dopethrone
In Flames - Jester Race
Isis - Oceanic
Mastodon - Leviathan
Napalm Death - Scum
Neurosis - Through Silver In Blood
Opeth - Blackwater Park
Also, Red by King Crimson was rightfully upgraded to a 4.5 star rating.
Presenting the Fabulous Ronettes featuring Veronica of the ronettes is 3 on allmusic
What's the threshold for songs to be "bubbling under?"
I noticed in 2007, Bloc Party's "The Prayer" had a total score of 20, but did not make the list, although other songs with a total score of 20 like Dizzee Rascal's "Sirens" made the list, and songs with more points like Amy Winehouse's "You Know I'm No Good" with 21 points did not.
Also, Britney Spears' "Piece of Me" has 17 points in 2007, but it's missing Ireland's Hot Press ranking which only shows up on the 2008 spreadsheet. I don't know if that's enough to make it "bubbling under" or not, but I figure I'd let you know.
deep cuts of the knife is 4 on allmusic
Genius + Soul = Jazz of ray charles is 4.5 on allmusic
Devotional Songs/Devotional & Love Songs of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan is now 5 on allmusic
third of portishead is 4.5 on allmusic