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Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

OK, Pidgin English is not my expertise and the line seems blurry indeed. How much of the reggae is eligible?

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Great to see Ruben Blades, Exuma, and Fabrizio de Andre show up already, although I do have to make some new choices now; going to try to spread the artists a little.

Nicolas, I will probably nominate an Anouar Brahem song for his region, just haven't decided which one yet.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Hey, Anouar Brahem is my favorite!

Like Nicolas, my pick would be "Vague". It was first released in 1995 though, on the album "Khomsa".

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Wait a minute, so instrumental tracks are allowed?

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Yeah, if they're from any of the countries mentioned above (i.e. no American or British instrumentals).

Oh, and feel free to nominate Anouar Brahem! I can find another artist.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

But a song in English by a Swedish group isn't eligible, is it?

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Correct, it is not.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

A few nominations I'm pretty sure about, focusing mostly on folk music (my expertise if I had one):

1.1 - Anouar Brahem - Vague / E la Nave Va (Tunesia) - Consider me convinced.
1.2 - Fela Kuti - Roforofo Fight (Nigeria) - Gotta get one Fela song in.
1.3 - Mahmoud Ahmed - Ere Mela Mela (Ethiopia)
1.4 - ?

2.1 - Jorge Ben - Zumbi (Brazil) - Hard to pick one Jorge Ben song, but this is my favorite.
2.2 - Silvio Rodríguez - Ojalá (Cuba) - I prefer Óleo de mujer con sombrero but this one is more famous.
2.3 - ?
2.4 - Violeta Parra - Gracias a la Vida (Chile)

3.1 - Japanese Koto Orchestra - Otone No Nagare Ni Sote (Japan) - A bit on the long side, but damn good.
3.2 - Ravi Shankar - Rāga Simhendra-Madhyamam (India)
3.3 - Various Artists - Hudjan Mas (Golden Rain) (Indonesia) - I'll be the first to admit that I have no idea what's going on here, but it's rather enchanting.
3.4 - ?

4.1 - Maria Kalaniemi & Aldargaz - Sofias Flykt (Finland)
4.2 - Le Mystère des Voix Bulgares - Pritouritze Planinata (Bulgaria)
4.3 - Boudewijn de Groot - Testament (The Netherlands) - Easily the best artist from my country, with his best song.
4.4 - Θανάσης Παπακωνσταντίνου - Α. Μάνθος (Greece)

Open to suggestions on the question marks.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Stephan



1.3 - Mahmoud Ahmed - Ere Mela Mela (Ethiopia)



Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

1. Africa:
1.1 – Khaled – Aicha – 1996 (Algeria) spotify youtube
1.2 – Salif Keita – Beguin the Beguine (*) – 1990 (Mali) mp3
1.3 – Yuma – Hoy puedes cambiar tu destino – 2006 (Equatorial Guinea) spotify youtube
1.4 – Miriam Makeba – Pata Pata – 1967 (South Africa) spotify youtube

2. America:
2.1 – Caetano Veloso – Terra – 1978 (Brazil) spotify youtube (Live with English subtitles)
2.2 – Pablo Milanés – Yo no te pido – 1977 (Cuba) spotify youtube
2.3 – Julieta Venegas – Lento – 2003 (Mexico) spotify youtube
2.4 – Carlos Gardel – Mi Buenos Aires querido – 1934 (Argentina) spotify youtube

3. Asia:
3.1 – Sakamoto – Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence (Instrumental) – 1983 (Japan) spotify youtube
3.2 – Anoushka Shankar – Inside Me (*) – 2011 (India) spotify youtube
3.3 – Luis Eduardo Aute – Una de dos – 1984 (Philippines) spotify youtube
3.4 – Tiddas – Inanay – 1993 (Australia). youtube Thanks, Greg!

4. Europe:
4.1 – Sigur Rós – Svefn-G-Englar – 1999 (Iceland) spotify youtube
4.2 – O-Zone – Numa Numa – 2004 (Moldova) youtube
4.3 – Jacques Brel – Vesoul – 1968 (Belgium) spotify youtube (Great live performance, with English Subtitles)
4.4 – Los Enemigos – Desde el jergón – 1990 (Spain) spotify youtube youtube (live)

(*) Despite the titles, these two songs are not sung in English. "Begin the Beguine" is a version in Bambara language (I think) of the famous Cole Porter song. And "Inside Me" is sung in Spanish by Sandra Carrasco.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Great list Miguel. One thing though, Sigur Ros is not eligible due to being a top 500 AM artist.

UNELIGIBLE ARTISTS/RELEASES

Here is an incomplete list of artists, albums and songs that are uneligible for nomination. They are sorted by region.
First, artists from the AM top 500, then albums with more than 1000 RYM votes, and last songs from the AM 3000. I haven't included the bubbling under (I assume bubbling unders are OK, are they, Stephan ?)
Please read it in hierarchical order (artists>albums>songs): if for instance Sege Gainsbourg is uneligible, his albums and songs are not mentionned in the album and song sections.
I hope I didn't forget major names/releases. I've checked AM 3000 and RYM 1000. There are probably many metal from Scandinavia I've forgotten but if you want to include one please check on RYM



1.1 NORTH AFRICA

Songs
Khaled - Didi
Rachid Taha - Diwan


1.2 WEST AFRICA

Albums
Fela Kuti - Zombie
Fela Kuti - Expensive Shit

1.3 EAST CENTRAL AFRICA

Songs
Manu Dibango - Soul Makossa

2.1 BRAZIL

Artists
João Gilberto

Albums
Os Mutantes - s/t
Sepultura - every album from 1987 to 1996
Joao Gilberto & Stan Getz - Getz Gilberto
AMon Tobin - 3 first albums (Bricolage, Permutation, Supermodified)

Songs
Antonio Carlos Jobim - Desafinado
Antonio Carlos Jobim - Insensatez
Antonio Carlos Jobim - Corcovado
Gui Boratto - Beautiful Life

2.2 CARIBBEAN

Artists
Bob Marley and The Wailers
Jimmy Cliff
Augustus Pablo
Toots and The Maytals
Desmond Dekker

Albums
The Congos - Heart of the Congos
Buena Vista Social Club - s/t


Songs
Mongo Santamaria - Watermelon Man
Lee Perry - The Upsetter
Culture - Two sevens Clash
Junior Murvin - Police and thieves
Peter Tosh - Legalize It
Damian Marley - Welcome to Jamrock
Gregory Isaacs - Night Nurse
Dawn Penn - You Don't love Me
Althea & Donna - Uptown Top Ranking
Millie - My Boy lollipop
Wayne Smith - under Me Sleng Teng
Sly & Robbie - Boops
Max Romeo - War Inna Babylon
Shabba Ranks - Mr Loveman
Tenor Saw - Ring the Alarm
Dillinger - Cocaine In My brain
u-Roy - Wake the Town
Barrington Levy - Here I Come
Ken Boothe - Everything I Own
Sean Paul - Get Busy
Melodians - Rivers of Babylon
Skatalites - Guns of Navarrone
Chaka Demus - Murder She Wrote
harry J Allstars - Liquidator
Dennis Brown - Money in My Pocket
Shaggy - O Carolina
Beenie Man - Who Am I ?

2.3 NORTHERN AMERICA

Songs
Ruben Blades - Desapariciones

3.1 EAST ASIA

Albums
Boredoms - Super ae
Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun
Boris - Amplifier Worship
Boris - Flood
Boris - Heavy Flood
boris - Akuma No Uta
Boris - Boris at last
Boris - Pink

3.2 SOUTH ASIA

Artists
M.I.A

Songs
Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn - Mustt Mustt

4.1 NORTHERN EUROPE

Artists
Björk
Sigur Ros
ABBA
The Knife


Albums
Arvo Pärt - Tabula Rasa
Burzum - Hvis lyset tar oss
Ulver: Bergtatt...
Burzum - Filosofen
Mum - Yesterday Was Dramatic
Mum - Finally We Are Not one
Röyksopp - Melody AM
Röyksopp - The Understanding
Röyksopp - Junior
The Field - From Here We go sublime
Fever Ray b- s/t

NB : most Swedish bands on the AM list are English speaking. Many of them (Hives, Peter Bjorn and JOhn, Jens Lekman) made albums that got more than 1000 RYM votes.
I didn't mention them, assuming there were no instrumentals or songs in Swedish on their albums. If so, please check on RYM, Swedish bands are very popular there.

4.2 EASTERN EUROPE

Albums
Negura Bunget - OM


4.3 WESTERN EUROPE

Artists
Daft Punk
Serge Gainsourg
Air
Justice
Phoenix
Kraftwerk
Can
Nico
Neu!

Albums
Popol vuh - Hosianna Mantra
Magma - Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh
Manu Chao - Clandestino
M83 - Dead Cities..
M83 - Before the Dawn
M83 - Saturdays=Youth
Cocorosie - La Maison de mon rêve
Cocorosie - Noah's Ark
Gong - Flying Teapot
Gong - Angel's Egg
Gong - You
Faust - Faust
Faust - So Far
Faust - Faust IV
Einstürzende Neubauten - 1/2 Men
Tangerine Dream - Zeit
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
Tangerine Dream - Rubycon
Isolée - Beau Mot Plage
Monks - Black Monk Time
Amon Duul II - Phallus Dei
Amon Duul II - Yeti
The Notwist - Neon Golden
Ash Ra Tempel - s/t
Pantha Du Prince - Black Noise
Yann Tiersen - Amélie

Songs
Jacques Brel - Ne me quitte pas
Plastic Bertrand - Ca plane pour moi
Django Reinhardt - Nuages
Edith Piaf - La Vie en rose
Mr Oizo - Flat Beat
Françoise Hardy - Tous les garçons et les filles
Sebastien Tellier - La Ritournelle
Alan Braxe, Fred Falke - Running
Deutsc Amerikanische Freundschaft - Der Mussolini
Azzido da Bass - Dooms Night
Alterego - Rocker
Nena - 99 Luftballons
Deichkind - Remmidemmi (Yippie Yippie Yeah)
International Pony - Leaving Home
Jeans Team - Das Zelt
Hard Floor - Acperience
Euromasters - Alles Naar De KI-te
Jam & Spoon - Stella
Console - Zero zero
I-F - Space Invaders Are Smoking Grass
Jaydee - Plastic Dreams


4.4 SOUTHERN EUROPE

Albums
Ennio Morricone - Il Buono, Il Brutto, Il cattivo
Ennio Morricone - C'era una volta il West
Ennio Morricone - Per un pugno di dollari
Ennio Morricone - Per qualche dollaro in piu
Ennio Morricone - The Thing
Ennio Morricone - Once Upon A Time In America
Ennio Morricone - The Untouchables
Giorgio Moroder - Scarface

Songs

Re: UNELIGIBLE ARTISTS/RELEASES

Excellent nicolas, thanks! And yes, songs bubbling under are eligible.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Stephan
Great list Miguel. One thing though, Sigur Ros is not eligible due to being a top 500 AM artist.


Sorry, Stephan. You are right. Here is my new election:

4.1 – Ólöf Arnalds – Innundir Skinni – 2010 (Iceland) youtube youtube (live)

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Please, Stephan, hold on the deadline till Sunday at least, I want to post a list but I won’t be able till the weekend, my computer broke down (again), I'm writing from work.
And the selection is getting harder and harder because some of my initial choices (Blades, Raha, Makeba, Ahmed, de André) got some votes and others (Khaled’s “Didi”) are not eligible. But I will post a list anyway, please wait for me.
I just want to make a reservation (before anyone else pick it), Goran Bregovic’s “Mesecina” for 4.2.
And a quuestion, are all the items that Nicolas pointed not eligible?

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Honorio
Please, Stephan, hold on the deadline till Sunday at least, I want to post a list but I won’t be able till the weekend, my computer broke down (again), I'm writing from work.
And the selection is getting harder and harder because some of my initial choices (Blades, Raha, Makeba, Ahmed, de André) got some votes and others (Khaled’s “Didi”) are not eligible. But I will post a list anyway, please wait for me.
I just want to make a reservation (before anyone else pick it), Goran Bregovic’s “Mesecina” for 4.2.
And a quuestion, are all the items that Nicolas pointed not eligible?


Yes all are uneligible

And if you want to vote for Taha we can trade, I have many other songs I can nominate

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

1.2 – Amadou & Mariam - Je pense à toi (Mali)
1.3 – Mulatu Astatke - Yègellé Tezeta (Ethiopia)
1.4 – Mahlathini & the Mahotella Queens - Kazet (South Africa)
4.3 – Taxi Girl - Cherchez le garçon (France)
4.4 – Paolo Conte - Via Con Me (Italy)

Probably more later...

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

1.1 Les Frères Megri - El Harib (Morocco)
1.2 Osibisa - Music for Gong Gong (Ghana)
1.3 Kenyan Boys Choir - Homeless (Kenya)
1.4 Amayenge - Ukuilondola (Zambia)

2.1 Br'oZ - Tudo O Que Você Quiser (Brazil)
2.2 Dancing in the Moonlight - Baha Men (Bahamas)
2.3 Gandhi - El Invisible (Costa Rica)
2.4 A Tout Le Monde - Beto Vázquez Infinity (Argentina)

3.1 Anata Nashi de wa Ikite Yukenai - Berryz Kobo (Japan)
3.2 Tribes of Babel - Motherjane (India
3.3 August Band - Summer (Thailand)
3.4 Coloured Stone - Australia (Australia)

4.1 C21 - Stuck in My Heart (Denmark)
4.2 Korni - S dnem rozhdeniya Vika (Russia)
4.3 4 Fun - Levenslang (Netherlands)
4.4 D'ZRT - Para mim tanto me faz (Portugal)

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Hey hector, thanks for your picks. There are a few uneligible songs though.

I'll allow Osibisa and Kenyan Boys Choir (Pidgin English/mostly instrumental), but C21 - Stuck in My Heart (Denmark), Baha Men - Dancing in the Moonlight (Bahamas), and Tribes of Babel - Motherjane (India) are definitely not eligible.

Coloured Stone - Australia (Australia) I wanna get a second opinion on; they do sing in English but since it's rather hard to find non-Anglophone records from this region and since the music is very much Aboriginal it might be eligible. Nic?

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

yes, I think we could make an exception

BTW, would you allow non anglophone songs from USA and Canada (Cajun, French songs from Quebec, Tejano in Spanish, Klezmer in Yiddish, etc...) ?

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

I think we should, although someone like Shakira or Nelly Furtado, who have both released Spanish albums that don't have 1000 votes on RYM, probably should not be eligible.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

1.1 - Selda - Yaz gazeteci yaz
1.2 - Rokia Traoré - Dounia
1.3 - Mulatu Astatke - Yèkèrmo sèw
1.4 - Solomon Linda - Mbube

2.1 - Jorge Ben - Taj Mahal
2.2 - Trio Matamoros - Son de la Loma
2.3 - Harmonium - Vert
2.4 - Gustavo Santaolalla - De ushuaia a la quiaca

4.1 - Imperiet - Märk hur vår skugga
4.2 - АукцЫон - Дорога
4.3 - Benjamin Biolay - Brandt rhapsodie
4.4 - Lucio Battisti - Anonimo

I might come back with Asian picks.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Stephan
I think we should, although someone like Shakira or Nelly Furtado, who have both released Spanish albums that don't have 1000 votes on RYM, probably should not be eligible.


Yes let's say they're not eligible. the line is kinda blurred, but you are the judge (an I can be your assistant)

And one more question : I suppose Hawaii is in the Pacific region and not North America. What's your opinion ?

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Yeah, Hawaii is Pacific.

Almost a hundred nominations already!

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

1.1 Erkin Koray - Ýnat (Turkey, 1974)
1.2. Group Inerane - Kuni Majagani (Niger, 2007)
1.3 Birigwa - Yelewa (Uganda, 1972)
(and of course Mulatu Astatke: Yekermo Sew, nominated by Henrik)
1.4 Thomas Mapfumo: Haruna (Zimbabwe, 1980s) Youtube

2.1 Airto Moreira - Samba de Flora (198 - Youtube
2.2 Les Frères Déjean - Experience (Haiti, 1977)
2.3 Sussie 4 - Escapar (Mexico, 2002) - Youtube
2.4. Los Esplendidos - Muchacha Provinciana (Peru, 1970) - Youtube

3.1. Tokyo Jihen - Kurumaya-san (Japan, 2004) - Youtube
3.2 Ananda Shankar - Dancing Drums (India, 1975) - Youtube
3.3 Ros Sereysothea - Superstar (Cambodia, ca. 1973) - Youtube
3.4 Alfred Aholo Apaka - Na Moku Eha (Hawaii, 1947)

4.1. Eleanoora Rosenholm - Bolly Palkkionmetsästäjä (Finnland, 200 - Youtube
4.2. Czeslaw Niemen - Dziwny Jest Ten Swiat (Poland, 1967) - Youtube
4.3. Tocotronic - Hi Freaks (Germany, 2002) - Youtube
4.4. Goblin - Suspiria (Italy, 1977) - Youtube

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

4.3 : La Mer - Charles Trenet (France)
The only choice I can make. This game is too hard.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

2.3 - The Garifuna Women's Project - méRua (Belize)

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Just tell me when you want me to make my nominations

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

2.3. "A Gozar este rico mambo" - Tito Puente (This draws from Caribbean music, but Puente is a native New Yorker, so I suppose this come from the U.S.).

4.3. "Sufism" - The Gotan Project (France)

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

1.1 Ofra Haza - Im Nin'alu
1.2 Cesaria Evora - Sodade
2.1 Chico Science & Naçao Zumbi - Banditismo por Uma Questão de Classe.
2.2 Max Romeo - I Chase the Devil
2.4 Astor Piazolla - Libertango
3.1 Ryuichi Sakamoto - Riot to Lagos (instr)
4.2 Arvo Pärt - Spiegel im Spiegel
4.3 Wim De Craene - Tim
4.4 Ufomammut - Eve

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

2.2 - Don Azpiazu - El Manicero (The Peanut Vendor) (Cuba; Single: The Peanut Vender (El Manicero) / True Love; 1930)
2.3 - Caifanes - La Célula Que Explota (Mexico; Album: El Diablito; 1990)

For the remaining three regions, I now give up searching in my collection. Well, I could nominate some song from Ryuichi Sakamoto (Japan), but the two instrumentals that come to mind already have been nominated by other AM forum members. And with Ohne Chanteuse from Yonderboi (Hungary) I have a love/hate relation, not really Hungarian folk either.

So that's it from my side.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Max Romeo is probably closest to being ineligible, because the song is pretty close to 'regular' English and the album does have 400 votes or so. Then again, the same argument could be made (less close to English, but more votes) for Exuma. Exuma does sound more foreign, but that might just be because we're used to reggae.

Anyone really in favor of excluding either one? Growling Tiger is very much pidgin English and not famous at all, so I don't think that one is contentious.

nicolas: I was planning to make 16 mp3 packs for people to download, I think that would make things easiest. I'll set up a Dropbox where people can submit some of their songs they think are hardest to find. If you leave your email here I'll send you an invite. I don't have a whole lot of time this weekend so I can't check yet how many of the songs I can procure, but I should be able to get quite a few of them.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

On the contrary, I think Exuma sounds more American than Max Romeo. Not very different from Richie Heavens or Dr John. Max Romeo is typically Jamaican but more popular...

So i think we should stick to the rules you set. The only difficulty is the appreciation of "pidgin English". No doubt for Growling Tiger (I don't really understand him) while Max R is pretty clear (but you could also say that of Fela).

I think that we should keep them, but I'll call to your good sense regarding reggae : try to pick something which sounds very Jamaican in spirit and please try to submit songs that are not very popular or from albums with more than 200/300 ratings on RYM.

If you don't feel comfortable, don't post anything reggae


IMO more than to the rules everyone should stick to the spirit of the game : chosing different songs. The songs IMO should show influences of the local culture (style, language) and shouldn't be very popular on an international basis.

BTW, I'm gonna make a change to one of my first round picks

in the 4.1 region, please replace Larry's Dream with

Atalyja - Gervele (Lituania) youtube beautiful song but the mp3 might be tricky to find

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Yeah, I'm also in favor of allowing them. Any song that is on youtube is fine, because I can simply rip an MP3 from the youtube video.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Steohan I sent you an email at your neoptolemos address, hope it's still working

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

A second round filled by incredible ladies (Makoma, Makeba, Creuza, Cruz, Vargas, Aksu, Nimol, Protopsalti) and with a lot of preponderance of Goran Bregovic (he shows on 3.2., 4.2. and 4.4. being as producer or as solo artist).

1.1. CHEB KHALED Chebba (Algeria, 1995).
1.2. TINARIWEN Cler Achel (Mali, 2006), studio version
1.3. PAPA WEMBA & NATHALIE MAKOMA 6 Millions Ya Ba Soucis (Congo, 2010)
1.4. MIRIAM MAKEBA Qongquothwane (The Click Song) (South Africa, 1960)

2.1. VINICIUS DE MORAES con MARIA CREUZA y TOQUINHO A felicidade (Brazil, 1970)
2.2. CELIA CRUZ & JOHNNY PACHECO Químbara (Cuba/Dominican Republic, 1974)
2.3. CHAVELA VARGAS La llorona (Mexico, 1966), the previous clip is an amazing 2002 cover for the movie Frida, here it is a 1991 version.
2.4. ANDRÉS CALAMARO No son horas (Argentina, 1999)

3.1. TAKASHI HIRAYASU & BOB BROZMAN Chon Chon Kijimuna (Japan/USA, 2001)
3.2. SEZEN AKSU with THE WEDDING FUNERAL BAND Erkekler (Turkey, 1997): Stephan, Sezen Aksu is from Istambul, I’m not sure about putting her on 3.2. or 4.2.
3.3. DENGUE FEVER Genjer Genjer (Cambodia/USA, 2009), the original studio version is not on YouTube (but it’s on Spotify as the B-side of "Tiger Phone Card"): Stephan, if this band is not allowed because they are really from Los Angeles please use this other version sang by Lilis Suryani (Indonesia, 1965)
3.4. ISRAEL KAMAKAWIWO'OLE Ka Huila Wai (Hawaii, US, 1993)

4.1. JAKOB HELLMAN Vara vänner (Sweden, 1989)
4.2. GORAN BREGOVIĆ Cajesukarije cocek (Bosnia, 1995)
4.4. ALKISTIS PROTOPSALTI S'agapo (Greece, 1991), listen to this wonderful solo of an unknown instrument from 3'16" (anyone knows which instrument is that?)


I supposed I'm not allowed to vote for a second song for some of these points, if not I'll post the videos on the recommendation thread for others to vote...
1.2. YOUSSOU N’DOUR & LE SUPER ÉTOILE DE DAKAR Immigrés/Bitim Rew (Senegal, 1984).
2.2. ANDY PALACIO & THE GARIFUNA COLLECTIVE Wátina (Belize, 2007).
2.2. HENRI SALVADOR Dans mon île (French Guiana, 1958).
2.4. VÍCTOR JARA Te recuerdo Amanda (Chile, 1969).
4.4. PAOLO CONTE La giarrettiera rosa (Italy, 1958)

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Turkey was actually put with 1.1, and I'll allow Dengue Fever.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Oops, replace then Khaled's "Chebba" by Sezen Aksu's "Erkekler" on 1.1. and put on 3.2. another lady, FARIDA KHANUN Aaj jane ki zid na karo (Pakistan, 1978)

Sorry, a mistake on the previous post, the Paolo Conte song was released in 1974...

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

2.1 Caetano Veloso - Coração materno

Edit : Well... I don't know I'm hesitating between Caetano and Paulinho Da Viola - Coração leviano

Which heart will I chose ?

As there is already one Caetano song in, I will finally pick

2.1 Paulinho Da Viola - Coração leviano youtube , a great samba by a great singer with a superb melody. I'm uploading the mp3 (a better version than the video)

And also, please replace 2.4 Melingo - Pequeño paria with

2.4 Henri Salvador - Dans mon île (French Guyana) youtube

Sorry Stephan

For those who don't know what to pick as 2.4 please consider Melingo

Only 1 nomination left for Brazil & West Africa !

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

and 1 left for Southern Europe too

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

2 left for Brazil. 1 left for Eastern Europe though!

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

like nic, i'm happy to withdraw some of these if people who haven't voted yet would like to nominate some songs

1.1 - Abdel Aziz el Mubarak - "Tahrimni Minnak" (Sudan)
1.2 - Baaba Maal - "Tindo" (Senegal)
1.3 - Geoffrey Oryema - "Lapwony" (Uganda)
1.4 - Abdullah Ibrahim - "The Mountain" (South Africa)

2.1 - Vinicius Cantuaria - "Vivo Isolado do Mundo" (Brazil)
2.2 - Boukman Eksperyans - "Nou La" (Haiti)
2.3 - Esquivel - "Latin-Esque" (Mexico)
2.4 - Susana Baca - "Tu Mirada y Mi Voz" (Peru)

3.1 - Fantastic Plastic Machine - "Philter" (Japan)
3.2 - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Michael Brook - "Sweet Pain" (Pakistan)
3.3 - The Dawn - "Abot Kamay" (Phillipines)
3.4 - what else are other people planning on putting here? i'd like to add something by gabby or atta, but haven't settled on a song yet, open to suggestions.

4.1 - still don't know here...
4.2 - Marta Sebestyen - "Harom Arva" (Hungary)
4.3 - Heather Jones - "Nos Ddu" (Wales)
4.4 - Nino Rota - "Amarcord" (Italy)

actually, i'd love to nominate Suba's beautiful "A Felicidade" but i'm not sure where it belongs. he was serbian, but by this time he was living and working in brazil, and the song probably belongs with others from this region, so in that case replace the Cantuaria song (otherwise, the Sebestyen one). thanks.

Re: AM Foreign World Cup: Nomination Round

Can't accept your 4.3 since it's already full, but that makes:

1.2 - 16 (Full)
4.2 - 16 (Full)
4.3 - 16 (Full)
4.4 - 16 (Full)

However, like Greg said, if someone who hasn't nominated for these regions yet really wants to nominate a song, let me know and we'll work something out.

I'll nominate the gorgeous Ett Enskilt Rum På Sabbatsberg by John Holm for 4.1, courtesy of Fred's great thread on Sweden.

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ah bummer, it'd be nice to have something welsh in there...anybody wanna trade?

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I'm biased but I thought 4.1 would be one of the first to be filled. As a companion to Fred's list, here are some of my favorite Swedish songs, in chronological order:

Lars Gullin - Danny's Dream (since Nicolas changed his vote) (jazz)
Monica Zetterlund - Sakta vi gå genom stan (vocal jazz)
Anita Lindblom - Sånt är livet (schlager/pop)
Jan Johansson - Visa från Utanmyra (jazz)
Cornelis Vreeswijk - Somliga går med trasiga skor (singer/songwriter)
Jojje Wadenius - Kalles klätterträd (children's music)
Pugh Rogefeldt - Här kommer natten (psychedelic rock)
Träd, gräs och stenar - Sanningens silverflod (psychedelic rock)
John Holm - Ett enskilt rum på Sabbatsberg (singer/songwriter)
Nationalteatern - Livet är en fest (folk rock)
Peps Blodsband - Hög standard (reggae)
Magnus Uggla - Varning på stan (pop punk)
Dag Vag - Dimma (punk)
Mikael Wiehe - Flickan och kråkan (singer/songwriter)
Adolphson & Falk - Blinkar blå (synth pop)
Lustans lakejer - Diamanter är en flickas bästa vän (new wave)
Ulf Lundell - Den vassa eggen (rock)
Eldkvarn - Kärlekens tunga (rock)
Di Leva - Vi har bara varandra (pop)
Lisa Ekdahl - Vem vet (singer/songwriter)
Bo Kaspers orkester - Puss (jazz pop)
Petter - Så klart! (hip hop)
Kaah - Dom tittar när jag dansar (soul/funk)
Detektivbyrån - E18 (folktronica)

The following songs are also among my favorites, however they are foreign songs that were rewritten with Swedish lyrics so maybe less interesting for this game:
Lill Lindfors - Du är den ende (pop)
Fred Åkerström - Jag ger dig min morgon (singer/songwriter)

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Stephan, you put Arvo Pärt in the 4.2 section but it belongs to 4.1 (Estonia)

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Thanks! Still 1 spot left in 4.2 then.

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and another (small) mistake is that you switched Henrik's 3.2 and 3.1 asian votes (he placed them wrong)

Here's my count

1.1 15
1.2 16 (full)
1.3 15
1.4 12

2.1 15
2.2 13
2.3 15
2.4 15

3.1 13
3.2 13
3.3 11
3.4 10

4.1 14
4.2 15
4.3 16 (full)
4.4 16 (full)

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Thanks, I haven't really had the time to do anything but add them to the spreadsheet. And I have the same count.

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3.1 Hanggai - My Banjo And I (China) youtube

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Full (with 16 nominations)

1.2 West Africa
1.3 East Central Africa

2.1 Brazil
2.3 North/Central America
2.4 South America

3.1 East Asia (Japan China Korea Vietnam Mongolia)

4.1 to 4.4 : all Europe

However, like Stephan said, if someone who hasn't nominated for these regions yet really wants to nominate a song, let us know and we'll work something out.

Still open for people who have nominated less than 2 songs :

1.1 North Africa (1 song left)
1.3 Southern Africa (3 songs)

2.2 Caribbean (1 song left)

3.2 South Asia (3 songs left)
3.3 Southeast Asia (4 songs left)
3.4 Oceania (6 songs left)

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I'm gonna change two of my votes

Stephan, I'll post my final updated lists in whole if you want and replace the mp3 files in the Dropbox

In 2.3, I'd like to remove Ry Cooder and his 500+ RYM ratings and replace it with

The Klezmorim - Fidl Volach (USA) spotify

In 4.2, I'd like to replace Naftule Brandwein by

Aleksandar Šišić - Ćhelipe (Serbia) youtube

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If it is allowed I want to give the second votes I have left to nicolas for his thoroughgoing work.

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Thanks for the list Mindrocker! I'm gonna need a few changes though. First, I can't accept 3 songs from 1.3, there's only place for 2. You'll have to pick two. Secondly, I can't accept 2 songs from 2.4, because we already have 15 songs. You'll have to pick one.

Yeah Henrik, that is acceptable. Feel free to nominate another round nicolas. Also, anyone can vote another time for 3.3 and 3.4 if they want to (that means you can vote twice for those, nic).

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Thanks guys !!

First I'm gonna give you my remaining 2nd round nominations

1.4 Regis Gizavo - Malaso (Madagascar) youtube

3.3 Sambasunda - Lost Two Tigers (Indonesia)

Then, on behalf of Henrik

2.2 Compay Segundo - Yo Vengo aqui youtube

More to come later

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Actually, sorry Mindrocker, but there's only 1 spot for 1.3 left, so I can only accept 1 of the 3.

Also, there hasn't been a single album nomination yet. Is anyone interested in this small added competition or not?

Remaining:
1.1 - 1
1.4 - 2
2.3 - 1
3.2 - 2
3.3 - 3
3.4 - 6

Nicolas, the bolded numbers are the ones that are different between the two of us; I'm not sure who of us is wrong, perhaps you counted hectorthebat's Motherjane?

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I recounted and you're right for both regions. My bad.

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1.1 (courtesy of Henrik)
Soli - Negar (Iran) fabulous 70s pop before the bearded men came

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Sorry I found a much better one

1.1 Zia - Helelyos (Iran) youtube

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nicolas/henrik 2nd round nominations

1.4 Bonga - Mona Ki Ngi Xica (Angola) youtube

2.3 Ry Cooder - A Canción mixteca (USA)

(Return of Ry, I love this song too much...)

3.2 Various Artists (by A.R. Rahman) - Ghanan Ghanan (OST Lagaan) youtube

My favorite Bollywood movie has excelllent music

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3.3 Kwan Jai & Kwan Jit Sriprajan - E-Saew Tam Punha Huajai (Thailand) youtube
3.4 Danny Stewart - Les Femmes d'Amérique (Hawaii/Tahiti) spotify


Additional

3.3 Panbers - Haai (Indonesia) youtube
3.4 Warumpi Band - Jailangaru Pakarnu (Australia) youtube

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Since there are already plenty nominations from Ethiopia and Congo you can omit Muluqen Mellesse and Bantous Jazz, and from the 2.4 section Joe Arroyo.
Also, can you please replace Carabao's Made In Thailand by the following song?

SUANG SANTI-Dub Fai Kui Gun (Thailand)


And another addition for 1.1 (not sure if this section is already complete):

HANAN BULU BULU-Arabian title (Sudan)

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I can only accept that nomination from Sudan if nicolas is willing to give up Henrik's nomination.

Remaining:
1.4 - 1
3.2 - 1
3.3 - 1
3.4 - 4

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Well, I'm embarrassed because I really like that Iranian song and we have nothing from Iran ....

Mindrocker, do you really want to add this song ? I can remove one of mine but it will be painful

In that case Stephan take out Slimane Azem - Algérie (my first choice)

PS Looks like the name of the Hanan Bulu Bulu song is Hagaa Kolen Kolen (in Western alphabet)

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That Sudanese song is Mindrocker's first North African choice so it is fair that I remove one song.

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nicolas
Mindrocker, do you really want to add this song ? I can remove one of mine but it will be painful

That is not necessary. Stephan, can you replace Hanan Bulu Bulu by the following one?:

MANKA LE PHALLANG-Ea Nyoloha Khanyapa (Lesotho)

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Sure! Problem solved.

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and for 1.4 I'm gonna replace my first choice Letta Mbulu

with

1.4 Danyel Waro - Banm Kalou Banm (La Réunion) youtube

Sorry but as I had time this week I've listened to a lot of music and rediscovered great things in the meantime

Stephan if it helps I'll post or send you my definitive lists when it is done (and it is almost done)

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Bump

Looks like this game is stalling, and nominations aren't completely done.

There are still

1 song from region 3.2 (South Central Asia)
1 song from 3.3 (Southeast Asia)
4 songs from 3.4 (Oceania)

Stephan, what's your plan ?

I know it's not very easy to find music from these remote regions, but I'm posting many recommendations everyday in the recommendation thread

So is it time for a final round ? If you want I can nominate the rest of the songs. I'll try to post varied styles and not just folk stuff from before 1975

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Sorry nic, I was just looking at this topic after not having a second of time this weekend. Since nobody has nominated any song over the weekend I'll let you fill the remaining spots; the alternative is likely one of us picking some of your recommendations.


I will try to get the first 8 songs uploaded today and get this thing going this week! I was thinking we should probably avoid running country to country as much as possible to get some distinctly different songs in each bracket. What do you think?

Edit: Or wait, we decided on 16 songs before. What do you think is better? It does distill things to 16 weeks rather than 32.

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I can't find this song:

Abdel Aziz el Mubarak - Tahrimni Minnak

Greg?

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3.2 Yashan - Ra Thun Yama (Sri Lanka) youtube electro-rap

3.3 Pan Ron - Jombang Jet (Cambodia) youtube

3.4 Fiji Phoenix Choir - Lutu Sobu Na Yakavi (Fiji)
3.4 Holonga Vava'u - Faikava Love Song (Tonga) 1978 youtube
3.4 Mantis - Island Suite (Fiji) (1973) youtube
3.4 Frank Yamma - She Cried (Australia) (2010) youtube


The last song is in English, but it is so Aboriginal that I think it's OK. If not I'll g ve you another

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I think that avoiding country to country is better

And maybe you could do 1.1 then 2.1 then 3.1 ...
instead of doing Africa then America then Asia...
And why not do 8 songs a week ? It would give people more time to get into the songs (or post 16 songs every other week)

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Yeah, that was my plan (1.1, 2.1, 3.1, etc.). I do think 8 is better than 16, it just makes for a rather long game. In any case, I'll just post the first 8 now while waiting for Greg to get back to me. I'll leave that song (and 7 others) for next week.

I'm not sure if that last song should be eligible to be honest; although it is gorgeous.

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The complete list of songs can be found here. If you spot any mistakes, please let me know!

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In case you turn it down, you can take this one But you already accepted the song "Australia" by Coloured Stone so that's why I thought it could pass


Other option : Tomas Tepano Tepano - Manu Reva (Easter Island) spotify

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Very true. Unless someone is really opposed I think I'll include it then.

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Stephan
The complete list of songs can be found here. If you spot any mistakes, please let me know!


Great !

I saw 3 mistakes

cell 15C : the Khaled song picked by Miguel is "Aicha" not "Chebba" and the artist name is just Khaled

cell 113 last word is Mixteca not Mixteco

220D : correct country is Serbia (not ukraine)

thank you

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Thanks! I'd already noticed the Aicha mistake, but I do think it's Cheb Khaled, unless this is not the song?

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Stephan
I can't find this song:

Abdel Aziz el Mubarak - Tahrimni Minnak

Greg?


sure, how should i share it/send it to you?

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Do you have Dropbox? If so, are you using the email I have for you from the film polls? If not, could you set up an account there using that email address?

Edit: Or, I guess if the file isn't too large, you could just mail it.

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Stephan
Thanks! I'd already noticed the Aicha mistake, but I do think it's Cheb Khaled, unless this is not the song?


Yes, it's him, he used to be called Cheb Khaled in the beginning but then he dropped the Cheb

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i have dropbox on a different email address, or yousendit under that one. the file's 13.4 MB

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Let me know (here or by email) which email you're using for Dropbox and I'll invite you to the music folder nicolas is also uploading songs to.

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Stephan, if it's not too late, I'd like to change one of my 2.4 nominations

Could you please replace Carlos Gardel's Mano a mano with

Melingo - Pequeño paria

So instead of 2 Gardel songs we have a common nomination with DanM who missed the 2d round because he was away

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Done!