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At long last an official release of the Smile sessions; not Brian's remake but the actual thing.
Greatest album of the decade? It's damn entertaining, that's for sure. I'm just not sure how to rate something like this and whether or not to add it to my lists.. it would be somewhere in the top 100 of all-time though.
Anyone else listened to it yet? It's streaming at Spinner.
OK, let me be the first to to ask for a ruling: will it count as a new album? I assume the answer would be yes, because it's never -officially- existed in its intended form before now. Kind of like Bob Dylan's Live 1966 (the legendary "Albert Hall" bootleg that finally saw the legal light of day in 1998).
Gotta bump this...this album is astounding, and is heading straight to all-time status for me. Anyone else as enthralled?
Yeah, definitely album of the year for me.
Also, in answer to Harold's question, I assume it will be eligible.
We really shouldn't be considering it a 2011 album though, should we? It's a 1967 album. Bootlegs have been circulating around for years. It just happened not to be commercially released until now.
I'll pick it up, and I'll probably love it, but I'm certainly not putting on my 2011 list.
It should also be considered that it's not critically on an even playing field as new releases. It gets all the critical benefits of having been released in 1967 and 44 years of expectation. It's the same as if you're listening to Revolver for the first time: You've never heard it before but you know very well what other people think of it so you're not going to judge it the same way. Any other new release is 'new information', this is old information.
So, we should leave the 2011 ballots to albums that can compete on an equal playing field.
The album is fantastic, though I agree...calling it a 2011 album is hard...
It has never been released though, so technically it should be eligible. If we don't allow this album we must remove Live at the Harlem Square Club, 1963, How The West Was Won, Mingus At Antibes, Live at the It Club, The "Royal Albert Hall" Concert, Thelonious Monk Quartet with John Coltrane at Carnegie Hall, and probably a few more. Granted, those are all live albums, but it's not really that different. Recorded at one time, released at another.
Also, I reckon the fact that several critics won't list it due to its nature will be enough of a disadvantage. This album, if released in 1967, would have indubitably been in the top 100 of all time. That won't happen now that it's released in 2011, so if anything it's at a disadvantage.
I just opened this thread. I think we should handle it as a regular 2011 album for now, and maybe make adjustments later if deemed necessary.
Perhaps this album will occur in a lot of all-time lists, and sometimes be chosen over Pet Sounds. Then maybe PS will have a hard time staying at #1 as a result of this release.
I haven't heard the album yet, although I probably will shortly, so can anyone tell me how it measures up to Brian Wilson's solo album "SMiLE" (2004), where he rerecorded the entire "SMiLE" album the way he wanted it to be. Looking at the tracklisting of both albums, they seem to be nearly identical. Also, which one is better?
Just heard it.
Like it a lot.
Most likely album of the year.
Really absurd that it wasn't released in 1967.
Should nevertheless be regarded as "ordinary" 2011 album.
But yes, let's compare it with other sixties albums.
In other words: Whether 1967 or 2011, just enjoy the beautiful music and SMILE.
I side with the 1967 side of the debate. It would feel very strange listing this in my EOY rankings, but not so weird listing it in my 1967 and all-time rankings.
I just don't think many critics will list it for 2011. Archival/reissues often get very high scores on Metacritic but get no attention in EOY polls, and I think this will be another example of that.
But really, this shouldn't be the main point of discussion--the fantastic music should be. This version of "Heroes and Villains" is incredible, and is becoming one of my favorite Beach Boys songs.