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With the AMF album poll behind us now, maybe it's time to think of the future polls/games.
I think that maybe we should plan things a little to avoid saturation and overloading. A lot of different ideas have emerged recently :
1) Do you think we should do a sort of planning/schedule, even if it may be a little authoritarian or rigid or do you prefer to let the invisible hand regulate all things (in case of multiple polls at a time only the best games/poll survive)
2) Do we have to start again a new cycle of decade polls ? We covered the whole history of recorded music in 5 years. If we follow the same order, next year it will be the 90's. So, 90's poll for next year ?
3) Do you want to carry on with the all-time polls ? Songs ? Artists ? When ? Next year ?
4) I do think we should give a chance to
Stephan's Foreign World Cup. For those who have done the whole decades cycle, this could be a great way of exploring space after exploring time, and to move out of the rather narrow stranglehole of English speaking music. And let's not forget John's idea of a new album poll.
Waiting for your comments so we can make -or not make- plans and decisions
I'd love to see someone step up for all-time songs. That poll is always fun, and there's little-to-no chance it would flop.
1. Somewhat spreading it out might be good
2. I wouldn't mind it, but maybe we should give other ideas some space before going back to the decade polls (not necessarily my own )
3. I'd love to do another artists poll, since that's my list that has changed the most. However, my songs list could do with some rearranging as well so that might be a good motivation
4. Agreed! (Obviously)
1) I'm fine with a schedule. As stated elsewhere, my intention was to run Moderately Acclaimed Albums v.3 beginning in February, but I am open to pushing this back if need be.
2) I am completely interested in continuing the decade polls, since I missed most of the first batch. I think they should continue forever! (Lots of new folks since last time, too!)
3) Yes, though a bit more ambivalent.
4) Sure, any chance to get exposed to new/interesting music is fine by me!
Now it's time for End Year Lists
I propose to postpone the polls and games until February 2012, but my game
The AMer of the year
1.) I missed the 90's poll 1st time around, I am looking forward to it...
2.) The songs list could be very, very interesting with 50+ participants and wide, wide taste in music. Hopefully someone steps up to do one in 2012.
3.) I am planning on starting UMT 2012 on February 6th.
4.) I like the foreign world cup idea.
5.) I am sure there will be a bunch of new games/polls either created or brought back in the coming year.
Right now I have a list of 28 albums I want to check out between now and the end of the year. Thanks to all who make this forum great!!!
I'm also going to bring back Unacclaimed now that the schedule isn't so busy!
If we don't have the all time and decade polls, I'm oretty sure people around here will kill themselves.
I have an idea for a game, but I think it may be a little repetative:
-Using the style of voting for the decade polls, let AMers rank AM's top 100 albums and songs.
I don’t see any harm in doing some forward planning. But if we’re going to create a schedule, I’m already a bit lost. So, polls and games with set dates:
- Otisredding’s AMer of the Year game is open from now until the first critics list is published (which will probably be in a week or two – there’s always 1 or 2 British publications that are way too eager)
- 2009 poll to take place in Nov 2011
- End-of-year 2011 poll scheduled for Jan 2012
- 90s poll from Feb to Nov 2012, if we go ahead with it. (I’m sure I’ll enjoy taking part as I didn’t participate last time round, but I really wouldn’t be disappointed if it gets postponed.)
When are these taking place:
- Decade poll (top 100 albums and songs of 2000-2009)?
- Foreign World Cup? Stephan has indicated that it would take 20 weeks (4-5 months). I think it would make sense for it to start in Feb next year so it doesn’t continue into the northern hemisphere’s summer holiday months. (I don't mean to discriminate against AMers from the southern hemisphere - hey, I'm from there originally! It's just that the majority live up north.) Even if a February start coincides with the start of the 90s poll, I don’t think it would matter – it doesn’t take that long to listen to a few songs every week.
- Slick’s UMT from Feb till when?
- Moonbeam’s Unacclaimed Songs?
- Moderate Albums?
- All-time Songs or Artists poll? (Sep – Oct again? I’d personally love a songs poll next year.)
- Any others I’m missing?
As far as the non-all time polls are concerned, I'd much prefer polls/games that exclude the top albums and songs that everyone knows already. Basically what I'm saying is, I love games like Unacclaimed or Moderate that allow you to hear those off-the-beaten-path albums that you may not have gotten to otherwise. All-time polls are where we focus on and talk about the classics.
The main focus should really be to spread out the games that require lots of listening.
The decade polls seem to be continuously going, but Moderate and Foreign World Cup can definitely be staggered.
There's no reason to adjust the schedules of things like the UMT though, where participation only takes a minute per day.
I could probably start the Foreign World Cup this November if that spreads things out more, we'd be well into the preliminaries before hitting the main bulk of the new polls in February.
I love the 90s and I know way more albums and songs of this decade than 5 years ago, so I'm rooting for this one.
Twisting the rules a little could be a good idea (like as suggested in the beginning of the 00s poll, by taking the top 15 instead of 10 so they would be a bit of surprise for who would reach the top 100 at they end. Drawback, of course, is that you need to find the time to listen to 50 more albums at the end.
I'd be glad to run the 90s poll next year.
How about this:
The 10 albums with the highest point totals qualify and
5 more albums, whose point total out of their top three ballots is highest, and did not make the top 10.
This would allow albums that only three people have heard, but they all think it's the best of the year, to qualify.
I would really like to see the songs poll happen...I've been working away at my Top 2000 for the last couple months in anticipation. :)
What I like about the songs polls is there is more likelihood of variability in results, since there is such a large pool from which to draw. Plus there is something just more personal about the individual lists.
We don't really have any troublemakers here who will take advantage though, do we? I mean, anyone who wants to can manually count up the votes before they cast theirs.
I think on some forums it would encourage strategic voting, but here, I think most of us are mature enough to play faithfully.
1) A planning/schedule would be great, if not by all means necessary.
2) Yes, 90s poll please. Due to a break of over 2 years, I totally missed out on the 70s and earlier polls, but it would be fun to do the 90s again. I agree with the point of strategic voting, so to avoid that, I would just let 15 albums per year qualify. And each album should be able to qualify, why only AM ranked albums?
3) All-time songs poll would be great to do in 2012. Since half a year I am working on a complete redo of my own song lists. This is done by going back in time and so far, I only got as far as 1993. Finishing this before 2012 is going to be very tough.
4) There are many game/poll ideas that I haven't read yet. And guess what, I have an idea for a game myself. To avoid overloading, I would suggest to pick one and start that in 2012, first we have the EOY polls coming up, right?
Is anybody going to take charge of the songs poll? This should be the next major one that we do.
About the 90s poll system, I think we should make tests with the 2000s results. I like the idea of 15 albums qualifying, including a quota of underrated albums. Why not qualifying the first non anglophone album too ?
We could grab an old decade spreadsheet, test the various systems and se what co;es out (those damned qwerty british keyboards)
I can take the song poll if nobody else wants to step up.
I really like the idea of a "foreign album clause" - at least 1 (maybe 2?) album(s) from each year of the 90s must be non UK, non US. Those albums would probably be at the bottom of the final list, but whatever, at least we broaden our horizons.
At some point in time I think we should do a poll about our favorite singers/vocals.
When I posted my top 10 albums that didn't make the cut in the '00s poll I came to think about one more way to decide the 150 albums and songs for the future decade polls - a round of "rags to riches".
We could preliminary select 150 albums and songs, either just by counting points or as BillAdama suggested above. Then, after the last yearly poll we could do a round of "rags to riches" where we list our favorite 10 or 20 albums outside the 150 and our least favorite 10 or 20 albums among the 150. Following our votes, we would then replace 10 or 20 albums/songs (rags) with 10 or 20 new ones (riches). This round should take a week at a maximum.
This might be unnecessary complicated and delay the decade poll, but I thought I would give it a shot.
Very interesting idea Henrik
My idea was to qualify 100 songs in the year per year polls as we did last year then qualify the remaining 50 on a global scale, to correct the year by year bias.
I'll open a special thread next week about the 90's poll so we can discuss the voting system. I'll be open to your suggestions.
I would rather just select 130 albums (top 10 + 1 foreign + 2 with highest average for each year for instance) and then pick 20 others regarding of the years than take 20 albums out.
First because it would be a horrible source of frustration (I would have hated to see Visitor go out this way for instance) and because some of the most polarizing albums (let's say Trout Mask Replica, Screamadelica or lots of metal and hip-hop albums) would stand no chance with this system, while their support might help them end relatively high on the final list.
I am pretty sure this would hurt love-hate albums much more than albums no one really cares about, and I don't think it is a good thing.