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I had forgotten about the list from Popdose, and when I look at it again I realize it's a tricky one as they only included singles that made the Billboard hot 100, everything else should be blanked if done correctly so I think I'll leave that one for now.
I will include Rolling Stone's Beatles list, as well as their Bob Dylan list and the Wilco list from Paste.
Sorry for that mistake-The Swell Season seem to be not from Northern Ireland, but from Ireland in general.
Yah, Popdose limiting that list to Hot 100 entries does leave out a heap of tracks. First the low amount of females on the list and now this.
Am I correct in assuming that year-end songs lists from 2008 and 2009 will also be included?
I forgot to include 2008-2009 songs lists in the list above.
So, an update:
* All decade-end lists in the 2000s spreadsheet
* Year-end lists (2008, 2009)
* Pitchfork (USA) - The Pitchfork 500 (2008)
* Pitchfork (USA): Top 200 Tracks of the 1990s
* The Guardian (UK) - 1000 Songs Everyone Must Hear (2009)
* Hervé Bourhis (France): Le Petit Livre Rock" (The Little Rock Book: "The Juke Box! Singles, 1950-2009
* Blender (USA) - The Greatest Songs Ever (the few songs that remained to be added)
* Rolling Stone (USA) - 40 Songs That Changed the World (2007)
* Slant: Best Singles of the 90s (2011)
* Mojo (UK): 80 From the 80s: Our Fave 45s For Each Year, 1980-1989 (2007)
* Q (UK): The 10 Most Perfect Song Ever (2007)
* STM Entertainment (Australia) - 50 Best Songs- Ever (2007)
* Treble: Top 100 Singles of the '90s (2007)
* Treble: The Top 200 Songs of the 80s (2011)
* Le Nouvel Observateur (France) - Top 100 French Singles from 1951-1991 (1991)
* VOLUME (France) - 200 Records that Changed the World, 2008 (38 songs)
* New Musical Express (UK) - Classic Singles
* Time Magazine (USA): A Song A Decade (1950s-1990s)
* Spin (USA): Nominations For the Best Songs of the Last 25 Years (2010)
* Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (USA): New additions to The Songs That Shaped Rock
* Rolling Stone(USA): 100 Greatest Beatles Songs (2010)
* Rolling Stone (USA): 70 Greatest Bob Dylan Songs (2011)
* Paste (USA): The 30 Best Wilco Songs (2011)
Does that cover everything? (You didn't mention 2010 songs lists, so I gather they're for a later date).
Is this list eligible for the next update?
http://www.nme.com/list/150-best-tracks-of-the-past-15-years/248648
is that it came too late (like that wonderful VH1 list).
The new lists from NME and VH1 will be included! I planned to add them as a surprise but I can't keep my mouth shut.
I have been working on an "anti-commercial" weighting factor and it was perfect to add the VH1 list as a test of this. I will use a method (that I will never reveal!) that would give this list a zero weight. With an average "anti-commercial" weight of 1, it turned out that the new VH1 list could be deemed eligible but with the far lowest weight of all lists, 0.09. Before I added the VH1 list, the Grammy nominations had the lowest "anti-commercial" weight with 0.31. The big chunk of lists have a weight close to 1, so this won't make as big difference to the AM list as it might sound. Fans of hit list music should not be too disappointed about the coming update.
JR, I haven't had the time to check if your list above is complete. Maybe I will get to it tonight.
You're a regular Nelson Mandela, Henrik, holding out like that. That's a nice surprise. And, "anti-commercial" weight- makes sense to me.
As a reminder- as you mentioned before, you will be removing the Igauna songs listings for this update?
I have redone the list again for easy reference, including the NME and VH1 lists.
* All decade-end lists in the 2000s spreadsheet
* Year-end lists (2008, 2009)
* Blender (USA) - The Greatest Songs Ever (the few songs that remained to be added)
* Paste (USA) - The 30 Best Wilco Songs (2011)
* Pitchfork (USA) - The Pitchfork 500 (200
* Pitchfork (USA) - Top 200 Tracks of the 1990s
* Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (USA)- New additions to The Songs That Shaped Rock
* Rolling Stone (USA) - 40 Songs That Changed the World (2007)
* Rolling Stone(USA) - 100 Greatest Beatles Songs (2010)
* Rolling Stone (USA) - 70 Greatest Bob Dylan Songs (2011)
* Slant (USA) - Best Singles of the 90s (2011)
* Spin (USA) - Nominations For the Best Songs of the Last 25 Years (2010)
* Time Magazine (USA) - A Song A Decade (1950s-1990s)
* Treble (USA) - Top 100 Singles of the '90s (2007)
* Treble (USA) - The Top 200 Songs of the 80s (2011)
* VH1 (USA) - 100 Greatest Songs of the 00s (2011)
* Hervé Bourhis (France): Le Petit Livre Rock" (The Little Rock Book - "The Juke Box! Singles, 1950-2009
* Le Nouvel Observateur (France) - Top 100 French Singles from 1951-1991 (1991)
* VOLUME (France) - 200 Records that Changed the World, 2008 (38 songs)
* The Guardian (UK) - 1000 Songs Everyone Must Hear (2009)
* Mojo (UK) - 80 From the 80s: Our Fave 45s For Each Year, 1980-1989 (2007)
* New Musical Express (UK) - Classic Singles
* New Musical Express (UK) - 150 Best Tracks of the Past 15 Years (2011)
* Q (UK) - The 10 Most Perfect Song Ever (2007)
* STM Entertainment (Australia) - 50 Best Songs- Ever (2007)
So maybe this new TIME list will be able to make it as well?
http://entertainment.time.com/2011/10/24/the-all-time-100-songs/?hpt=hp_c2#tightrope-janelle-monae-featuring-big-boi
Janelle Monaé ft. Big Boi - Tightrope
Missy Ellliot - Get Ur Freak On
OutKast - Hey Ya!
Jay-Z - 99 Problems
Arcade Fire - Wake Up
Kanye West ft. Jamie Foxx - Gold Digger
Lil' Wayne - Georgia...Bush
LCD Soundsystem - All My Friends
Beyonce - Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)
Lady Gaga - Bad Romance
Sinead O'Conner - Nothing Compared 2 U
Pet Shop Boys - Being Boring
Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit
Richard Thompson - 1952 Vincent Black Lightning
Wu-Tang Clan - C.R.E.A.M.
A Tribe Called Quest - Scenario
The Notorious B.I.G. - Juicy
2Pac ft. Dr. Dre - California Love [Remix]
Pulp - Common People
Radiohead - Paranoid Android
Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart
George Jones - He Stopped Loving Her Today
Michael Jackson - Billie Jean
New Order - Blue Monday
Prince - Kiss
Metallica - Master of Puppets
R.E.M. - It’s the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)
Lucinda Williams - Pineola
Public Enemy - Fight the Power
Madonna - Borderline
The Melodians - Rivers of Babylon
James Brown - Get Up (I Feel like Being a) Sex Machine
Led Zeppelin - Immigrant Song
Black Sabbath - Iron Man
Joni Mitchell - A Case of You
The Who - Baba O'Riley
Stevie Wonder - Superstition
Dolly Parton - Jolene
Big Star - September Gurls
Bonnie Raitt - Angel from Montgomery
Fela Kuti - Zombie
Bruce Springsteen - Thunder Road
Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody
Donna Summer - I Feel Love
Bee-Gees - Stayin' Alive
David Bowie - 'Heroes'
Ramones - I Wanna Be Sedated
Fleetwood Mac - Dreams
Peter Tosh - Equal Rights
Funkadelic - One Nation Under a Groove
Velvet Underground - Rock & Roll
Loretta Lynn - Coal Miner’s Daughter
Bob Dylan - Subterranean Homesick Blues
Patsy Cline - Crazy
Roy Orbison - Crying
The Ronettes - Be My Baby
The Beatles - I Wanna Hold Your Hand
Astrud Gilberto - The Girl from Ipanema
The Supremes - Where Did Our Love Go?
The Beach Boys - God Only Knows
Aretha Franklin - I Never Loved A Man (The Way I Love You)
Marvin Gaye - I Heard It Through the Grapevine
The Band - The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
Big Mama Thorton - Ball ‘n’ Chain
Jackson 5 - I Want You Back
The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter
Crosby, Stills and Nash - Suite: Judy Blue Eyes
Otis Redding - I’ve Been Loving You Too Long (To Stop Now)
Johnny Cash - Folsom Prison Blues
Les Paul & Mary Ford - How High The Moon
Kitty Wells - It Wasn’t God Who Made Honky Tonk Angels
Elvis Presley - Jailhouse Rock
Odetta - Take This Hammer
Little Richard - Tutti Frutti
Frank Sinatra - I’ve Got You Under My Skin
Buddy Holly - That’ll Be the Day
Chuck Berry - Johnny B. Goode
Ray Charles - What I'd Say
Woody Guthrie - This Land Is Your Land
Lena Horne - Stormy Weather
The Andrews Sisters - Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy
Spike Jones - Der Fuehrer’s Face
Bing Crosby - White Christmas
Betty Hutton - It Had to Be You
Mahalia Jackson - Move On Up a Little Higher
Hank Williams - Cold, Cold Heart
Ella Fitzgerald - Baby It’s Cold Outside
Doris Day - Sentimental Journey
Ethel Merman - I Got Rhythm
Cab Calloway - Minnie The Moocher
Duke Ellington - It Dont Mean A Thing (If It Aint Got That Swing)
Louie Armstrong - Star Dust
Fred Astaire - Cheek to Cheek
Ray Heatherton - Where or When
Judy Garland - Over the Rainbow
Billie Holiday - Strange Fruit
Al Jolson - My Mammy
Bessie Smith - St. Louis Blues
Paul Robeson - Ol' Man River
The Carter Family - Wildwood Flower
Wow VanillaFire, I really like eclectic lists like that! I'll see what I can do...
Thanks you for the answer. I just want to say I found this site better and better year after years.
What concerns me about the inclusion of a system that weights the lists is that, at least in my mind, the weighting implies that one list is more "valid" than another. Maybe I'm not looking at this the right way, and if so, hopefully someone can correct me.
Something like VH1's list stands out because there is such a focus on mainstream, commercial, hit music, with the very rare non-hit tossed in. That's fine and dandy, but when it includes acts that are obvious critically challenged acts, then I definitely see no issue with something like that having less weight than another list.
How's the update coming along, Henrik?
At your service. :)
If the links from the original source are available, I put those. If not, I used the forum link or Rocklist. For something like the Bob Dylan list, RS has a link to it, but it's not the ranked list- so I used the forum link. I don't believe the Blender site has a link for the Greatest Song Ever feature (and the link in the Critics Lists section no longer works).
At the bottom, I added the TIME list (in case you include it in this update).
I believe the Le Nouvel Observateur link is for the pertinent list, but do double check.
* Blender (USA) - The Greatest Songs Ever, One Song Added Every Other Month
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* Paste (USA) - The 30 Best Wilco Songs (2011)
http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2011/04/the-30-best-wilco-songs.html
* Pitchfork (USA) - The Pitchfork 500 (2008)
http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/steveparker/Pitchfork.htm
* Pitchfork (USA) - Top 200 Tracks of the 1990s
http://pitchfork.com/features/staff-lists/7854-the-top-200-tracks-of-the-1990s-200-151/
* Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (USA)- New additions to The Songs That Shaped Rock
http://rockhall.com/exhibits/one-hit-wonders-songs-that-shaped-rock-and-roll/
* Rolling Stone (USA) - 40 Songs That Changed the World (2007)
Original link not working; I believe this appeared in the magazine and the full list can be found at various sites
* Rolling Stone(USA) - 100 Greatest Beatles Songs (2010)
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rolling-stone-presents-the-100-greatest-beatles-songs-20110919
* Rolling Stone (USA) - 70 Greatest Bob Dylan Songs (2011)
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3172289350&frmid=7238&msgid=1156497&cmd=show
* Slant (USA) - Best Singles of the 90s (2011)
http://www.slantmagazine.com/music/feature/best-singles-of-the-90s/247
* Spin (USA) - Nominations For the Best Songs of the Last 25 Years (2010)
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3172289350&frmid=7238&msgid=1069074&cmd=show
* Time Magazine (USA) - A Song A Decade (1950s-1990s)
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3172289350&frmid=10&msgid=673072&cmd=show
* Treble (USA) - Top 100 Singles of the '90s (2007)
http://treblezine.com/features/118.html
* Treble (USA) - The Top 200 Songs of the 80s (2011)
http://treblezine.com/features/267.html
* VH1 (USA) - 100 Greatest Songs of the 00s (2011)
http://blog.vh1.com/2011-09-29/the-100-greatest-songs-of-00s-complete-list/
* Hervé Bourhis (France): Le Petit Livre Rock" (The Little Rock Book - "The Juke Box! Singles, 1950-2009
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3172289350&frmid=7238&msgid=1024687&cmd=show
* Le Nouvel Observateur (France) - Top 100 French Singles from 1951-1991 (1991)
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3172289350&frmid=10&msgid=761183&cmd=show
* VOLUME (France) - 200 Records that Changed the World, 2008 (38 songs)
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3172289350&frmid=0&msgid=878084
* The Guardian (UK) - 1000 Songs Everyone Must Hear (2009)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/series/1000-songs-everyone-must-hear
* Mojo (UK) - 80 From the 80s: Our Fave 45s For Each Year, 1980-1989 (2007)
http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/mojo.html#Mojo%20%E2%80%93%2080%20From%20The%2080%E2%80%99s
* New Musical Express (UK) - Classic Singles
http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/nme_writers.htm#Classic%20Albums%20&%20Singles
* New Musical Express (UK) - 150 Best Tracks of the Past 15 Years (2011)
http://www.nme.com/list/150-best-tracks-of-the-past-15-years/248648/page/1
* Q (UK) - The 10 Most Perfect Song Ever (2007)
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3172289350&frmid=10&msgid=752155&cmd=show
* STM Entertainment (Australia) - 50 Best Songs- Ever (2007)
http://www.perthnow.com.au/entertainment/best-50-songs-ever/story-e6frg3i3-1111114161557
* TIME (USA) - All-TIME 100 Songs (2011)
http://entertainment.time.com/2011/10/24/the-all-time-100-songs/
Thanks JR!
"Stairway to Heaven" was never released as a commercial single when it was out, though, and never appeared on a music chart (at least in the USA). :)
I just think that in the case of something like the Grammys, its methods of of coming up with nominations in the major categories has been VERY geared toward the commercial and popular, safe, middle-of-the-road choices (especially leading up to the late 90s and even past that). And the VH1 list obviously is very hits-driven- the majority of critics' lists are not. many feature tracks that were big hits, but a lot of times it has as many, if not more, tracks that were not big hits on the charts.
In a lot of cases, though, mainstream pop really isn't GREAT stuff. Being accessible and catchy doesn't necessarily make it good all the time. I can listen to a lot of stuff on the radio, whether during a workout or whatever, but I would not seek it out to listen to or purchase it. Certain mainstream acts have transcended just the mainstream pop genre on a regular basis, while others do so just with a single or two.
Moonbeam, about mainstream pop being underrated, I just like to point out that it seems like you are in a minority here as our forum polls always contain less mainstream music.
I'm so excited about this update! My November is shaping up to be one giant kick in the face, and the first song update since 2008 will definitely be a bright spot for me!
How is the anti-commercial factor determined, if I may ask? I'm assuming it's not a judgment call.
Ah, right. I was just thinking that it might answer some of the questions and clear up the matter a little if we had a general idea of how it is determined.
That said, I'm all for this. It'll just make the rare gems move up the lists presumably, which is welcome.
My feeling about mainstream pop is:
-Some of the songs coming out are fantastic, but the rest of the album is usually light filler.
-Some of the songs would be fantastic if they were less electro-stuttery and computerized. There are some pop songs I hate which sounded fantastic on The Voice.
So in summation, the problem with mainstream pop isn't the songwriting, it's the production paradigm of finding a pretty face and sterilizing in production rather than just finding talented singers and letting them sing.
Except for adult contemporary. The problem there is also the songwriting and a general contempt for the intelligence of the audience.
I found one more list that I will include. This is a good one.
http://onethirtybpm.com/features/the-top-100-tracks-of-the-1980s/
Ooh- nice find, Henrik. Love 80s lists- and some great tracks on there.
Hopefully Slant publishes 80s lists next year.