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For everyone interested, here is a Google spreadsheet of almost every song that has appeared in any of the critics lists at AM. In total there are over 24,000 rows.
JR, see if you can save a copy of the spreadsheet (preferably also as a Google document), add a little data and send a link of your document to my email. Let me know if the Google doc would be convenient for you to work with. What I'd like you to do is to mark the 1001 (or 10001) songs in column E. If a song is not in the spreadsheet, then please add it and write NEW in column D.
There are two sheets, "All time" and all the EOY spreadsheets combined as "2007-2010". The "all-time" sheet has artist name is written as "surname, firstname" and in the 2007-2010 sheet the artist name is "firstname surname".
Let me know if you have any questions.
EDIT- I got it. :) I made a copy in Google spreadsheets and it looks like I'll be able to save a copy of any edits I make.
How shall I distinguish the 1,001 songs from the remaining 9,000 in the "to download" section?
I'm gonna start and do an "X" if the song is one of the 1,001 main entries, and "X-1" if it's mentioned in the expanded section. Sound good?
Actually, what I'm doing is "X" for the 1,001 Songs, and "X+" for the others, so they'll be easier to distinguish if you do a search. I will finish up page 2 of the 57-page index and start fresh tomorrow. :)
Note: Looks like there's a number of foreign tracks in the 10,001 section- some I'm not 100% sure how to list (last names or what), so some will appear with last names alphabetically while some may not). In any event, most are new additions, so no impact in terms of adding them to the site.
Sounds great, JR!!! No problem with the artist names, we can make a list when you're done and ask the forumers about the correct way of writing.
Henrik, how is the "planned" category defined on the last column ? There are a bunch of songs I would have think I have seen in a few lists which are still checked "no".
For instance Modest Mouse - 3rd Planet or And you will know us by the trail of dead - Another Morning Stoner
By the way, the song by Les Save Fav is called The Sweat Descends not Descendents !
Henrik, I've added your gmail address to the document info, so you can go in and peruse.
A note: For act names with a lead act and something like, "His Orchestra," I was adding them by the last name of the lead act. But I noticed some names are listed by the letter of the lead's first name. if you notice anything like that and want to move it around or whatever, feel free.
Henrik, I see you're starting to pull the "X" tracks (1,001). Perhaps I concentrate on the 1,001 Songs right now, since they're top priority. Picking up where I left off from the first link, I'm making a new link where I "X" just the 1,001 Songs.
Sorry, JR, I didn't think that my filter would be on your side too! Anyway, I realized that I can edit the document so I went ahead and made a few remarks in column F. It was more of a test though, now I'll leave you alone with the document. And don't rush, this list is not going to be included in the coming update (I hope you weren't expecting that) so there's no top priority and if it doesn't feel too hard it might be better if you continue to add the X and X+ simultaneously.
I'm sorry for any inconvenience.
OK- back to doing it all in one file. hehe
I do recall you saying it wouldn't be included in the next update, but at a later date with some assistance- so that's good- I can take it a little at a time. :)
Thanks a lot Henrik, such a great teaser for the upcoming update!
Happy to see some favorites finally included (Driver 8, Kung Fu Fighting), not so happy for other additions (3 songs each from Pulp and Pavement), in both cases thanks to the critics, anyway I'm very interested to see the new list.
Hello! I have (by pure chance) noticed an error: "Histoire d'un garçon" is attributed to "Benjamin Boilay" while it's actually "Benjamin Biolay".
Though "Y Control" would be in the waiting list. It isn't even in the document. dammit!
Thanks for these checks. I can assure you that "Wake Up", "Archangel" and also "Y Control" will be included in the coming update, but I will look into why they were a "No" or not included at all in the spreadsheet.
Just a note in regards to the 1,001/10,001 Songs. As I go along, I'm making comments if there are discrepancies in how a track is credited/listed (in act/title). However, in a case like Elvis Costello, some are credited as "EC & The Attractions"- but since EC's work is thought of as one entity, I'm not making the note.
One odd one is Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young- some are credited differently than what's in the spreadsheet- I made notes of that, even though CSN (and Young) is regarded as one act.
As far as punctuation goes, some things I alter and others not- i.e. say it's "Livin'" in one spot and it shows as "Living" in another, I usually just leave it. Parentheses are another iffy one- sometimes I will adjust something, but other times not. For instance, in the spreadsheet, it's "Let Me Be Your Teddy Bear"; but in the book, it's "(Let me Be Your) Teddy Bear." If the track shows as not being at AM, then I make the adjustment. If the book lists a title with words in parentheses, that are not show in the spreadsheet, I make a note off to the side.
I'm entering foreign titles without punctuation (i.e. accents and all of that). Most of the foreign titles are new additions, anyhow.
A minor aside: For words such as "the," "for," "is," etc.- sometimes I'm capping them and sometimes not, depending on how it looks. lol Not much rhyme or reason there, as that kind of thing varies in hoe some list them as it is.
Hope all that's kosher and makes sense.
Also Henrik, didn't you say "Poor Places" by Wilco would be an addition?
I'm going to be compiling a list from this list and the album list. I've been planning on doing this for a long time.
The list will include all of the songs on the AM 3000, plus a certain number of album songs based on album ranks. the idea is for it to be the ultimate AM playlist.
Albums in the top 100 will get 4 songs (or more if the album has more than 4 songs on the site)
Albums 101-500 will get 3 songs
Albums 501-1000 will get 2 songs
Albums 1001-3000 will get 1 song
The extra songs will come mostly from this list, cross-referenced with various factors that I'll have to research (singles will take precedent in extra songs, as will fan favorites.) It'll probably take 6 months to put together, but I'll definitely post it down the road.
I decided to look into other omissions from the google document. This is what I found.
"Time to Pretend" by MGMT is missing (number 44 on the EOD list)
Also, I figured that since R.E.M.'s "Nightswimming", Wilco's "Via Chicago", and Spiritualized's "Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space" all appeared on Pitchfork's great songs of the 1990's list (at numbers 72, 74, and 23 respectively) they'd be included in the next update.
Pitchfork link- http://pitchfork.com/features/staff-lists/7853-the-top-200-tracks-of-the-1990s-20-01/
"A Shot in the Arm" also wound up the #13 single of the 90s on I believe it was a Treble list. I forget though.
Wilco might challenge Zappa soon for the title of "King of the bubbling songs"
It was also on the top 30 Wilco song list.
Are all songs that say "yes" going to be in the top 3000 then? For instance, She's So High and To The End by Blur are currently bubbling under, and they say yes on the spreadsheet, so does mean they will be ranked after the update?
I'm not sure if I should be thanking you for posting this spreadsheet or cursing you. (I kid, of course.) On the one hand, after I downloaded it, I decided that I should try to collect every song on there, and I've found some absolute gems that I otherwise would never have discovered. On the other hand, my desire to collect (and more specifically, my desire for completeness) means I'm probably going to be looking for music for the rest of my life.
I couldn't help but notice that there are some songs on that list that are doubled up. (Example: the song "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" by Tony Bennett is listed twice, once as "...San Fransisco") I don't know, but perhaps if these "doubles" are fixed, some songs might end up a little higher on the list. I'm making a list of what "doubles" there are, and when I finish up I'll let you know.
Thanks again for everything you do, Henrik. You're a prince of a fellow.
It would be great with a list of double entries. Now and then I discover those myself, and sometimes the combined data is enough for a song to be included at AM.
Odd observation- in the 1,001/10,001 book, "Ain't Nobody" actually was listed twice- under Chaka Khan and then under Rufus & Chaka Khan. To the right of the R&CK entry, I made a note that it was listed twice.
I'm almost up to the "T's" in the index, so I will then encounter Mr., Bennett.
Wow, that's awesome JR!
I found a couple of possible double entries:
- Zappa, Frank/The Mothers of Invention
"Who Needs The Peace Corps" / "Who Needs This Peace Corps"
- Velvet Underground, The "I'm Waiting for the Man" / "Waiting for the Man (ej singel)" (but possibly not "Sweet Jane" and "Rock and Roll")
If something's off by a word or so, I make note of that, too, for the 1,001/10,001 book.
I came across another double entry- "Tom's Diner." The book lists it under Suzanne Vega and also DNA Feat. Suzanne Vega. Rather than make two entries, I made a note about it in the spreadsheet- Henrik, you can do as you will when you eventually work with it. :)
Indeed, Harold. I remembered that there was a pre-remix version, but thank you for reiterating that info. I had actually overlooked the D.N.A. entry for "Tom's Diner" in the spreadsheet I'm working on, so I'm glad you responded and I went back and looked for that. Now, both the original and remix are X'd.
Henrik, regarding this songs spreadsheet...
I discovered that there are a few very early (pre-1920) songs that appear to be from a list called the Peelennium (a couple of links to the list appear below). However, only the first 80 songs from the list (the ones from 1900 to 1919) appear on your songs spreadsheet. Beginning with song #81, there aren't any more songs from Peelennium on the spreadsheet (except of course for songs that also appear on other lists). Here's some possibilities that I thought of...
a) The Peelennium list is not eligible for inclusion on AM, and the fact that the first 80 songs are on the spreadsheet is mere coincidence.
b) The Peelennium list IS eligible for inclusion, but you didn't know about this list, and the fact that the first 80 songs are on the spreadsheet is mere coincidence.
c) The Peelennium list is eligible for inclusion, you were aware of it, and you accidentally left off the remaining songs.
d) Some other possibility.
I certainly don't mean to nitpick; I just thought I might bring it to your attention.
It is c. Thanks Matt for this check!
If anyone would like to create a spreadsheet of this list with surnames first that would help me a lot.
Is there a newer iteration of this spreadsheet which reflects the newly collated lists and the corrections others have made?
I second the query about an updated spreadsheet that JR was working on. I would love to be able to see the version with the 1001/10001 song column included. Thanks!