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Re: Time for new all-time lists?

Could we start this in September?? Or at least put the deadline as far as that month? I need some time to put things together in an all time list. I don't have one :p

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

HRS
Could we start this in September?? Or at least put the deadline as far as that month? I need some time to put things together in an all time list. I don't have one :p


I think the deadline for submissions the last time was late September too.

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

Concerning the start of the poll: the sooner the better!

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

Like BillAdama, I can generate a list anytime so just tell me and I'll post on the deadline day (as always)

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

It looks like people are happy for this poll to start any time soon as long as it stays open until the end of September. Sounds good to me.

Hopefully people will also remember the underrated albums poll . In quite a few posts recently there have been talk of underrated artists and albums. So start voting! The thread is not getting the attention it deserves.

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

Once I get my all-time album list together I could do the underrated list. It will probably take me a month/month and a half to do my all-time list and then a couple of weeks to do the underrated.

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

I've begun relistening to my favorite albums to finally construct a full list. I'll probably only submit a top 100, though.
My "summer project" has begun!

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

Hey Jackson -- what is the maximum albums that will be counted in the tallies? I'll be compiling a list of 500, but want to know which will get points. Also, will it be the usual weighted point system?

One other thing ... I'm going to include some modern classical performances, some released later than the original compositions. I know there is a gray area here, though I doubt these placements will in any way influence the results, so I'm hoping you can humor me.

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

Ok, I'm thinking of running it starting sometime in the next two weeks and ending at the end of August. That should be plenty of time, and I don't want to extend it any longer for fear of it getting stale.

Also, I will definitely use the same scale that was used for previous song and album polls.

I'm not sure about max albums that should be counted. Anything beyond 200 seems to not affect the poll much while being more work for me, and I doubt many others will post extremely long lists. That being said, if there is demand I would count more, and I'd obviously love to see your full top 500 regardless, sonofsam. I haven't given too much thought to what I should or shouldn't count, but you can definitely include classical performances. Not sure where to draw the line about compilations yet (but I personally want to vote for albums like the Beta Band's 3 EPs. It will probably be a no for things like Singles Going Steady and Substance, though, to me these don't pass the "does it feel like an album" test like the 3 EPs).

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

Jackson
Ok, I'm thinking of running it starting sometime in the next two weeks and ending at the end of August. That should be plenty of time, and I don't want to extend it any longer for fear of it getting stale.

Also, I will definitely use the same scale that was used for previous song and album polls.

I'm not sure about max albums that should be counted. Anything beyond 200 seems to not affect the poll much while being more work for me, and I doubt many others will post extremely long lists. That being said, if there is demand I would count more, and I'd obviously love to see your full top 500 regardless, sonofsam. I haven't given too much thought to what I should or shouldn't count, but you can definitely include classical performances. Not sure where to draw the line about compilations yet (but I personally want to vote for albums like the Beta Band's 3 EPs. It will probably be a no for things like Singles Going Steady and Substance, though, to me these don't pass the "does it feel like an album" test like the 3 EPs).


Agreed 100% on the Beta Band, not as sure with Singles Going Steady. Usually I base this on whether the songs were already available on previous LPs.

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

Sounds great! AGE OF ADZ for the win!

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

jackson, take my advice (as the guy who managed the poll in 2009) : be extremely strict about inclusion of non-album records, or else you're opening a pandora box !! That's why I'm not pleading for R. Johnson's King of Delat Blues

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

Jackson
I doubt many others will post extremely long lists.

Harold Wexler's list of 2,996 albums may have a different opinion...

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

nicolas
jackson, take my advice (as the guy who managed the poll in 2009) : be extremely strict about inclusion of non-album records, or else you're opening a pandora box !! That's why I'm not pleading for R. Johnson's King of Delat Blues


Agreed. Or else I'd be arguing quite strongly for Disco Inferno's "The Five EPs"

Also wondering if we're just doing standard albums (LPs I suppose) or if we're counting EPs as well (I'm not sure what our previously policy on this was).

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

We should do this evey year there are no olympic games.

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

I'm struggling to find a definition of an album that excludes things that definitely shouldn't be eligible (greatest hits comps, EPs, etc.) while including things that probably should be eligible (the Three EPs, Disco Inferno's the 5 EPs, etc.). I feel like sonofsam's definition is a good starting point, but would probably open the door for of compilations by bands with lots of non-album singles (New Order, the Smiths, the Beatles, etc.) Anyone have a suggestion?

@Listyguy I believe Harold hasn't even posted a list longer than 200 albums, but if he ever ranks the entire AM 3000, that would be amazing.

@nj Be cryptic all you want, but you better post a list when the time comes.

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

Jackson


@nj Be cryptic all you want, but you better post a list when the time comes.


what's so cryptic about a no? all-time polls have become the most obnoxious Hangover franchise of AMF: you watch both of them just for the end credits (/individual lists), and that's it. the rest is deja-vu'd clone formula. just post your lists, guys, and spare Jackson the work..

..unless you want to know if Abbey Road and the White Album switched their positions 6 and 7, because it really looked cool in the trailer..

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

opt for non-secret voting. love to watch the lists come in. sittin' on the dock of the bay.

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

I missed out on the last poll (due to private reasons I had a break for about 2 years on this forum), but count me in this time.

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

nj
Jackson


@nj Be cryptic all you want, but you better post a list when the time comes.


what's so cryptic about a no? all-time polls have become the most obnoxious Hangover franchise of AMF: you watch both of them just for the end credits (/individual lists), and that's it. the rest is deja-vu'd clone formula. just post your lists, guys, and spare Jackson the work..

..unless you want to know if Abbey Road and the White Album switched their positions 6 and 7, because it really looked cool in the trailer..


This is a great nj post, but I don't like the pessimism. My tastes have chnaged quite a bit since the last poll, and I'm sure many other posters (mostly the young ones) have too. Consider it a goal: how high can we get Cannibal Ox? I'm still reeling from the 2001 snub.

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

SR
This is a great nj post, but I don't like the pessimism. My tastes have chnaged quite a bit since the last poll, and I'm sure many other posters (mostly the young ones) have too. Consider it a goal: how high can we get Cannibal Ox? I'm still reeling from the 2001 snub.


It's not so easy to decipher the intended meaning from NJ's comments. But, I am not sure that pessimism is the characteristic that describes NJ's view.

Instead, I read it as tongue in cheek disdain. That's why whenever NJ takes a poke at me, I do my best to laugh it off as just a manifestation of his unique and entertaining way of demonstrating that he cares

It would be difficult for me to remain offended by a quip from my faux foe. Not that I want to put that up as a challenge to NJ, because he would certainly be up to the task.

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

@nj Why don't you just look at the voting thread as a place to post your list, then ignore the results thread? Doing all-time lists can only produce boring results when people like yourself don't vote. How would things ever change if the people with the most unqiue taste don't vote? Others wouldn't be able to discover less popular albums/songs/whatever this if that happened.

now i'm elitist, now i'm not...

Jackson
Doing all-time lists can only produce boring results when people like yourself don't vote. How would things ever change if the people with the most unique taste don't vote?


Re: now i'm elitist, now i'm not...

So is it safe to say you're an all-memes, no-list poster from here on out?

Re: now i'm elitist, now i'm not...

Re: now i'm elitist, now i'm not...

nj


Re: now i'm elitist, now i'm not...

Don't you see? NJ wants everyone to know he's way too cool to care about the poll.

The poster with the most unique tastes on the Mubi board is Dimitris Psahos, and he regularly calls people philistines and accuses them of believing rich countries are more important than poor countries when they like a critically popular film more than the films he likes.

He publicly withholds his taste and his participation in forum games as a penalty for the backlash he gets for his attitude.

I'm not saying this situation is at all similar to that. I'm just saying, it does not surprise me.

Re: now i'm elitist, now i'm not...

How has your lists changed since last time?

More Sonic Youth, better jazz taste but not more jazz compositions, removal of narcissistic missteps and thus a list that slowly start to resemble any list in brown-grey paperback music magazines with a psychedelic special once a year. And I have actually LISTENED to the Byrds. So I might include a song from them. Swedish songs? - Like...5. That's how good we are, the third best selling music country in the world. Music schools, we have. Read Henrik's Popular Music In Sweden thread, thank you. I cheat on drums there. "Strawberry Fields" or "I'm The Resurrection"?? And I still persist in Dr. Hooker's "Forge Your Own Chains"...I don't LIKE SF and I only liked Resurrection for ten seconds once. Fuck, this list won't be complete this time either...

Re: now i'm elitist, now i'm not...

If anything, my list has become more in-step with the main list here over the past 2 years, just because I use it to find (non-new) music. I'm not saying that my total list is lock-step with the top 3000, but it has lead me in a possibly different path then how I found music before, so alot of the new editions to my list come from their high acclaim here.

Re: now i'm lazy, now i'm not...

BillAdama
Don't you see? NJ wants everyone to know he's way too cool to care about the poll.


you make me feel young again, darmy i envy all of those Dimitri guys for their inexhaustable pathos attitude, but damn... have i grown tired of this list stuff. a porn poll on the other hand... (well, one can still dream)

Re: now i'm lazy, now i'm not...



Why don't bravenet guys add "I like" buttons in their boards like on Facebook..
I mean that would really be a change.

Re: now i'm lazy, now i'm not...

My Michael Jackson lineup

1. Human Nature
2. P.Y.T.
3. Smooth Criminal
4. Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
5. Rock With You
6. Beat It
7. Billie Jean
8. Thriller

And my Aretha Franklin line-up:

Think
Ain't No Way
Chain of Fools
Natural Woman
I Say a Little Prayer
I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You
Respect
Don't Play That Song

Re: now i'm lazy, now i'm not...

nj
BillAdama
Don't you see? NJ wants everyone to know he's way too cool to care about the poll.


you make me feel young again, darmy i envy all of those Dimitri guys for their inexhaustable pathos attitude, but damn... have i grown tired of this list stuff. a porn poll on the other hand... (well, one can still dream)


Heh, no worries nj, I just like picking on pick-oners.

I understand why you're not interested in the poll, but it'd be good to see a post where you recommend some weird stuff for people to listen to.

Re: now i'm lazy, now i'm not...

BillAdama
[nj,] I understand why you're not interested in the poll, but it'd be good to see a post where you recommend some weird stuff for people to listen to.


Yip, I know you've already posted numerous all-time, 60s, 70s etc. lists, nj, but there are plenty of new people on this forum who have not seen your lists before and who might not go looking for them. And I don't want to be the only one who has spent days (weeks even) listening to your recommendations... even though the only albums from your lists that really blew me away were Exuma - Exuma, Divine Comedy - A Short Album About Love, and Ananda Shankar - Ananda Shankar and His Music. But these albums were well worth the effort (and so was the sneaking suspicion that I will eventually like more of your other favourites).

And here is something to think about from a couple of (unrelated) posts...

nj
You make me feel young again, darmy i envy all of those Dimitri guys for their inexhaustable pathos attitude, but damn... have i grown tired of this list stuff.


nj

i hate it when regAMFellas get old... orly old..

ps: this list is anything but party head

Re: now i'm lazy, now i'm not...

nicolas


Why don't bravenet guys add "I like" buttons in their boards like on Facebook..


teehee..

Re: now i'm lazy, now i'm not...

Dan M
And I don't want to be the only one who has spent days (weeks even) listening to your recommendations... even though the only albums from your lists that really blew me away were Exuma - Exuma, Divine Comedy - A Short Album About Love, and Ananda Shankar - Ananda Shankar and His Music. But these albums were well worth the effort (and so was the sneaking suspicion that I will eventually like more of your other favourites).


weep weep... what's really weird about it is that //sigh/boo_hoo// - apparently - no one seems to dig The Neon Philharmonic so far... even YOU are mentioning A Short Album About Love... so... what's so ghoulish about the original then? weep weep... and out.

"Help the aged, you're the best!... arrrounnd, nothing's gonna ever keep us down"
Jarvis Cocker, 1997

Re: now i'm lazy, now i'm not...

BillAdama

I understand why you're not interested in the poll, but it'd be good to see a post where you recommend some weird stuff for people to listen to.







lots of Tim Buckleys (and Lorca even twice), but no Annette Peacock..? tsktsktsk... youth yourself, you sexist..

Re: now i'm lazy, now i'm not...

I can't quote from another post - probably a Bravenet technical issue.

I meant to give you a compliment, nj, but I guess it came out the wrong way. Should've just said that I enjoyed spending time with your lists and exploring the taste of someone with a knowledge of music much more advanced than my own. As my own taste in music changes and develops I will keep going back to your lists.

Thanks for pointing out the connection between A Short Album About Love and The Neon Philharmonic. I'm listening to The Moth Confesses at the moment and loving it.

This post is going to be really boring compared to the image above it.

Re: now i'm lazy, now i'm not...

Dan M

I meant to give you a compliment, nj, but I guess it came out the wrong way.


not at all! just gave you a recommendation by playing the self-pity card et voilà:

Dan M
I'm listening to The Moth Confesses at the moment and loving it.


mission accomplished. keep up your curiosity.

edit: pic is gone. not good.

Re: now i'm lazy, now i'm not...

I doubt that AM has such an effect on women/girls

It usually makes them run away

Re: now i'm clarence, now i'm not...

nicolas
I doubt that AM has such an effect on women/girls
It usually makes them run away


unless they learn how to breed the perfectoast of all AMutants...
go, Basile, go..

Re: now i'm clarence, now i'm not...

For someone who doesn't care a lot about all time lists you're sure posting a lot in the thread.

No, I guess I haven't heard every album ever heard of on AM. I would, but I just have so many other things to do.

Re: now i'm clarence, now i'm not...

deflowering is such a beautiful english word... enjoy it..

Re: now i'm clarence, now i'm not...

I don't think I have ever contributed my list for the favourite albums survey, so I would love to participate this summer! :D

Re: now i'm clarence, now i'm not...

So, is the poll open yet?

Re: now i'm clarence, now i'm not...

Just an update: I'm planning to post the voting thread sometime in the week after the 4th of July.

Re: now i'm clarence, now i'm not...

Down to 370 songs now. No John Lennon, no Stevie Wonder (sorry) and only one lousy Brian Wilson composition. It's windy on the top of the mountain.

Re: Time for new all-time lists?

I can't understand why not any of the following songs
are in your 3000 best ever songs. (
possibly that's no rock and Roll ?)
I hope some of them will succeed to reach the next new top 3000

Led Zeppelin Immigrant Song
Metallica Nothing Else Matters
Metallica Sad But True
Nirvana Rape Me
Pink Floyd Brain Damage/Eclipse
Pink Floyd Hey You
Scorpions Still Loving You
Simon & Garfunkel Scarborough Fair/Canticle
Supertramp Breakfast In America
The Beatles Lady Madonna
The Who Behind Blue Eyes
Van Halen Eruption
Berlin Take My Breath Away
Bob Dylan Gates Of Eden
Bob Dylan It Ain't Me Babe
Coldplay Viva La Vida
Cream Strange Brew
Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young Teach Your Children
Deep Purple Child In Time
Deep Purple Hush
Dire Straits Brothers in Arms
Dire Straits Walk Of Life
Elton John Nikita
Europe The Final Countdown
F.R. David Words
Genesis Abacab
Guns 'N' Roses November Rain
Iron Maiden 2 Minutes to Midnight
Iron Maiden Hallowed Be Thy Name
Iron Maiden Phantom of the opera
Jethro Tull Locomotive Breath
Jimi Hendrix Stone Free
Judas Priest Victim Of Changes
Led Zeppelin Babe I'm Gonna Leave You
Led Zeppelin Misty Mountain Hop
Meat Loaf I'd Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That)
Metallica Fade to Black
Metallica Seek & Destroy
Metallica The Unforgiven
Paul Anka Diana
Scott McKenzie San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Some Flowers In Your Hair)
Spin Doctors Two Princes
Sting Fields Of Gold
Supertramp Give A Little Bit
The Animals It's My Life
The Beach Boys Barbara Ann
The Beatles Blackbird
The Beatles For No One
The Beatles Julia
The Beatles The Fool On The Hill
The Mamas and the Papas Monday, Monday
The Police So Lonely
The Police Wrapped Around Your Finger
The Rolling Stones As Tears Go By
The Rolling Stones Mother's Little Helper
The Supremes Stop in the Name of Love
The Troggs With a girl like you
The Who Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere
The Zombies Time Of The Season
Tom Petty Learning To Fly
Tommy James & the Shondells Mony Mony
Toto Africa