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I have been pondering a way to create an album game so that a winner results, like Bracketology and Survivor, for a few months. Now, I finally think I have my answer:
The AM World Cup
It's style would be just like the FIFA World Cup.
Here's what I'm thinking:
-Round 1: Pools with 4 or 8 albums (this could be discussed later) witht the top 2 or 4 advancing (depending)
Each round after that would be one vs one until we have a winner.
-When to start: I don't want to conflict with Alex D's poll or anything else that may go on (if anyone would be mad if I started this while thier poll was going on)
-How many albums: This is really the big one. How many albums could we use so that the poll is sucessful, but also has enough albums. Current contenders: 64, 128, 256.
Tell me what you think.
I think this could be cool. I have been thinking along similar lines, but with divisions and seasons instead of a cup. But a cup is more manageable.
If there is a group of say four albums, will there be a single vote between all four albums, or 6 different match-ups as in the real world cup?
Album A - Album B
Album C - Album D
Album A - Album C
Album B - Album D
Album A - Album D
Album B - Album C
Based on the input so far, it would be better to use either the top 64 or 128 albums on AM.
If we use the top 128 for my example, here's what it would look like:
Merriweather Post Pavillion
Led Zeppelin II
For the first three weeks, each album would face a different albums in it's pool.
After the three weeks, the top two from each pool advance. The album to come in first in pool A will face the album to come in second in pool b, and, vice versa.
I don't know about having the same albums have three separate votes. I think part of the reason for declining participation in Unacclaimed is that the double elimination format causes too much repetition.
The World Cup format would work for a game like this:
64 bands are in the competition, each band is claimed by an AM user, who picks a different song for each matchup.
For a game that's about using the same album over and over, especially if that game is about albums a majority of the people here already have strong opinions about, I would go with a 'Rank the 4 in order, top 2 advance' format. In fact, it might be interesting to keep that format throughout.
I really like that idea, but people would need to pick more than one album because we certainly don't have 64 active members. I would argue for the AM top 64, perhaps sticking to 1 album per artist to make it more interesting.
I am with Stephan on that point. We don't have 64 active forum members to choose the songs for each matchup. And if each took two or more albums, it would be kind of wierd if they ended up facing each other. And what would happen if the member didn't chose a song for the mathcup? An automatic forfeit?
As I see it, there will always be people who disappear during the game, so either the songs in each match-up will have to be chosen before the start of the game, or the same songs will be used in every match-up.
What I'm think we could do is have one bracket with the top 32 artists on AM and another with 32 artists outside the top 32, as chosen by their "Managers", and the winner of each faces off at the end.
To resolve the problem me and Henkrik have been discussing, we could have the "Managers" list the songs they would use for each round in case they dropped of the forum, but they could change the order up to 24 hours before the matchup started, to keep strategy involved but prevent issues.
As this is a focus group and an open discussion, I hope it's OK if I speak my mind. This is a really cool idea for a game and a lot of thought has clearly gone into it already. But... please remember that most people respond to music intuitively. With this game (and I daresay other recent "games" like the underrated albums poll) the rules tend to be a bit too complicated. It puts people off. I can completely see how this forum attracts people who like mathematics and statistics, but you have to remember that most people would prefer not to reach for their calculators to participate in a poll. Please keep it simple. The goal of these games must be to allow maximum participation, and the more complicated you make it the less likely people will participate. Just saying...
Don't worry, I have no idea what's going on in the underrated album thred either.
AM is half (more like 3/4) or the reason I'm taking AP stat next year. This game doesn't involve any math (yet).
Yes, it's always possible to find replacement managers if we need, and we can always have people declare their choices at the beginning, then change them later.
But, I don't think these ideas are very complicated to the participants. To the people who run them, they're a bit complicated, but to the managers all you have to do is pick an artist then pick the songs you want to play, and to the voters, all you have to do is look at two songs and pick your favorite. Nobody has to reach for their calculators except the person who runs the game.
I agree the underrated albums poll is making people do too much work. I would just say 'You can't pick the top X AM and top Y RYM, otherwise use your own judgment'.
I have to admit that the Underrated Albums poll is a little complicated, but it's as complicated as you make it. It does require some effort to look up the AM and RYM rankings, but there is really no requirement to apply formulas to get your ranking. That's just kinda fun to some of us.
I hope you guys will still participate despite the extra work you need to put into it to create your list, but even if you don't I'm sure you can find some nice recommendations through the final and individual lists.
If you feel that it's too complicated, just submit a top 50 list of your favorite albums not in the AM or RYM top 500 (with your personal all-time ranking) and I'll check the eligibility. I just don't have the time to do that for everyone though.
The only thing complicated in the group-play idea is figuring out tiebreakers. Here are the various possible scenarios.
Which of the 1-2s advances?
Which of the 2-1s does not advance?
All I can think of is to use vote differential.
I was thinking that the votes are the "goals", and the same rules apply as in the world cup.
OK with, Survivor ending in two weeks, I could start this in four weeks (after finals). Or, I could open up the "Bidding" in two weeks and start the actuall game in July.
We should limit each person to one top 32 and one non-top 32 artist at first, and then allow for another round of picking.