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Re: 10-album gaps in the new update

My next gap

11 albums between 672-682

Your gap contains some real personal gems of mine Moonbeam... I think given what I've figured from your tastes you might find Something/Anything the most interesting.

Re: 10-album gaps in the new update

ee...it looks like I have the earliest 10 (er, 13)-album gap, from #69-81

Re: 10-album gaps in the new update

I wouldn't classify Zen Arcade as punk. If anything I'd group them with 80's underground rock.

So you think that somebody who dislikes punk quite a bit could enjoy Zen Arcade? In that case I should check it out.

It kinda depends what you call punk, Husker Dü clearly does not sound at all like Ramones, Pistols or Clash, they sound to me much more influenced by Wire. Maybe your opinion on Sonic Youth or Minutemen could reflect more how you would like them.

Although I appreciate Wire and Sonic Youth (not familiar with Minutemen) more than the 'classic' punk bands, I am still not a fan of them (nor a specialist, at all). I have the same problem with a band like Nirvana. I like them, but I don't love them and that's partly caused by their punky sound.

The line between what is punk or what is alt./indie rock is very blurred, but it's safe to say that it all started with the first generation of Punk bands. Although most of them were on major labels, it was the attitude they stood for: That you don't necessarily need to practise your instrument for 15 years or play 50 notes in a split second for making great music. Thirty-five years later, this attitude still makes sense for all things related to alt.rock.
The first punk wave turned into a DIY Hardcore punk scene with its own venues, fanzines and independent record companies. SST, Homestead, Alternative Tentacles, Touch & Go, etc., all those legendary indie labels came out of the hardcore environment. Hüsker Dü, Meat Puppets, Replacements, Minutemen, Beastie Boys, Butthole Surfers, they all started as punk bands. Even Nirvana has its roots firmly in hardcore (before he joined Nirvana, Dave Grohl was in Scream).
After awhile many of the above mentioned bands got tired of playing the same kind of ultrashort-faster than the speed of light songs and evolved their music into other directions. This new development was more open and adventurous, also bands with different backgrounds joined in. Like Sonic Youth, which came from the NY art scene, or REM and The Wipers, who brought more conventional influences like '60s/Garage Rock. In the mid-80s, alt.rock had many different sounds and faces, but what they all had in common was that same DIY Punk ethic.
The current 2010s scene is musically not so different from their elder brothers of the 80s (although I would say, now it's even more varied but also much more inoffensive). With this in mind, I always wondered why on this forum, which is so biased towards alt.rock, there is so little acclaim and respect for punk music. Without Punk there probably never would have been any alt. scene as we got to know it and we still would be listening to 20th generation upgrades of the Eagles and ELO.

Nice little punk/alternative rock history, interesting.

Still, I don't care too much about influences when listening to music. I know punk has been a very influential movement in popular music. I don't underestimate that. But that doesn't mean I like the sound of the average punk band. It's a good thing some band really make their own music in their own way, but for me, it is still way more important to appreciate the sound of a band rather than the level on the scale of DIY.

A lot of genres are (or were) very influential for today's pop music. And although I like to hear where the bands I listen to come from, I still listen to music because I like their music and not because they wre so influential.