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Which artists do you think will have the most notable increases in the Artist Rank after the next update?
Which do you think will have the highest new entry on the list?
I might guess M.I.A., Arcade Fire, Daft Punk, MGMT
Excellent topic!!
My guess is that the movement will depend on when the next update is published.
I am not so sure that Daft Punk will be elevated so much, but the other performers you identified make sense to me.
How about Sufjan Stevens, LCD Soundsystem or Joanna Newsome, Gorillaz, Bib Boi, The National, Janelle Monáe, Tindersticks, Beach House, Deer Hunter, Erykah Badu, Vampire Weekend, Radiohead, The Roots, or the New Pornographers.
Perhaps there is even a chance that an "oldster" with a fairly well-received new album could move up, like Paul Weller.
Perhaps there is even a chance that an "oldster" with a fairly well-received new album could move up, like Paul Weller.
Though they're not exactly 'old,' Portishead fits into this category. Animal Collective is the most obvious one.
First off, the next update isn't going to include 2010 albums yet. It's going to include all the end-of-decade and 2009 EOY lists. Janelle Monae and Big Boi won't be on AM until NEXT year.
The highest new entry is obviously going to be MERRIWEATHER POST PAVILION, which could very well enter the all-time list inside the top 100. Given the way all of Animal Collective's current top 3000 entries performed in the EOD lists, I would imagine that their artist ranking will zoom into the stratosphere.
The highest non-2009 new entry will probably be Spoon's GIRLS CAN TELL, which fell out of the top 3000 last year but did extraordinarily well in the EODs (it's #107 on the spreadsheet).
I have high hopes for The National. Alligator was already one of the major climbers last time, and it will go even higher as it did great on the EOD lists and Boxer ended up much higher than its current position as well.
I think it will probably be Archade Fire and LCD Soundsystem.
But on the topic of "Oldsters" who have new albums, I think of Bob Dylan and Pearl Jam.
Could Mr. Zimmerman overthrow the Stones?
No, because the formula that is used takes into account only the top 6 albums and top 6 songs by a certain artist. Now unless Time Out Of Mind increases significantly from its current position, it looks very unlikely that Dylan would overtake the Stones.
THE BEATLES!!! (sorry, I had to...)
The biggest gainer will be Animal Collective, who will have 3 new songs added to their list in addition to an album that will fall in the top 200 of all-time.
Eventually, maybe. But - unless Henrik's changed his mind since he posted about it - the next update will only involve the albums list. An update of the song list will come next time.
Eventually, maybe. But - unless Henrik's changed his mind since he posted about it - the next update will only involve the albums list. An update of the song list will come next time.
Grr.
Forget M.I.A. and Radiohead then.
That's too bad because the songs list is far more in need of an update than the albums list.
What exactly is the formula for calculating the top artists list?
How does it work for the artists that have less than 6 songs/albums?
How does it work for the artists that have less than 6 songs/albums?
Going from memory, I think the artist rankings are calculated the same way if you have 6 songs and albums or not. I always thought that the artist ranking was done with whoever has the lowest number when adding all the rankings up, but with albums and songs weighted a little different. So having 5 albums up there instead of 6 is like adding 3000 to your score.
If this November's update (if we do get one) is just adding 2009 albums and EOD lists, then really only Animal Collective and the Yeah Yeah Yeahs will go up significantly. If we ever can get up to date to 2009 albums and 2008-2009 songs, Jay-Z, Phoenix, Daft Punk will all go up. Kanye West, with his strong 2008 EOY song presence, will probably break top 100. Lady Gaga will eventually get a presence. But the biggest mover will probably be M.I.A. Paper Planes is so far ahead of anything on the EOD songs lists that she may jump into the top 100.
Ho would the 6 album formula work for artists such as Chuck Berry, who didn't really relaese albums?
But he did release albums! Go to his page and you'll see he has 5 albums listed. Anyways, I assume that if there's an artist with no albums or no songs listed, they get an automatic 3000 counted 6 times, but that's just an assumption.
Pretty close, but it's actually 3100. Bubbling under albums also get 3100 points.
What? There's seriously not going to be a songs update? Where did it say this?
So how much weight does a song have compared to an album?
I read it here once, but I can't remember where, or the exact figure.
Was it that the songs' scores were worth 6/10 of what the albums' scores were?
Wasn't it based on adding up ln(ranking) instead of just adding up the rankings?
All I need to know regarding the update is whether it will happen between January and March 2011. Because that's the only way it would affect Moderate 2.
After several months of work on the move to the new house (and work on the house itself) I have just started to work on the site update. I hope I will be able to make an update before the end of November and the majority of EOY lists arrive. If not I'm worried that I will never be able to catch up again.
I read it here once, but I can't remember where, or the exact figure.
Was it that the songs' scores were worth 6/10 of what the albums' scores were?
0.6 * (ln(ln(10+song1)) + ln(ln(10+song2)) + ln(ln(10+song3)) + ln(ln(10+song4)) + ln(ln(10+song5)) + ln(ln(10+song6)))
'album1' in the formula means the AM position for the most acclaimed album for an artist. If an artist has, say, only 3 albums in AM top 3000, then artist4, artist5 and artist6 are set to 3100.
that you've making progress with the house and such.
Don't worry about catching up- aside from all-time lists (which come in intervals, anyhow, and can be added whenever), the big thing is the end-of-decade lists, because so many came within a few short months. That could be why you feel you have to "catch up."
The 2010 year-end lists are of least importance, IMO- those newbie albums can wait. End-of-decade lists, year-end lists from 2008-2009, all-time lists- those are the ones you should concern yourself with- don't try to overwork yourself. If you can get some done before year's end, great- and then maybe a second half sometime in 2011. We appreciate your efforts, and remember we're here to help, if we can.
Don't forget Henrik, you have a small army of willing helpers right here who would gladly help with the update.
Hurray! I'm sure I speak for everyone here on the AMF when I say that I eagerly await the site update. I swear, getting a site update is like an early Christmas! Any idea on what this update will encompass?
I know I won't have much more time for the website next year so I will need a lot of help from you to make future updates possible. After this update, I will work on some kind of data entry sheets and then I hope that I will get help with almost all of the additions and changes to the site.
And as I said in that same thread, that will be plenty. In fact, it'll be just about perfect - with the addition of those two sets of lists, the AM top 3000 will be about as definitive a list of the greatest albums of all time through 2009 as could possibly be imagined. Thanks for the "update update," Henrik - glad to hear things are going well.
Animal Collective's MPP will probably be the highest new entry, but the question of who will have the biggest jump will probably be Grizzly Bear. With only Yellow House placing on the site, their current rank is 1097. Veckatimest will place very high (maybe top 200 all time?). They get my guess.