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This thread is yours. I have given a lot of time to this list, so with the help of the individual lists and the spreadsheet I'm sure you'll find a lot of great statistics to post.
But first, the definitive top 200 after the last corrections
1. Radiohead - OK Computer
2. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
3. The Clash - London Calling
4. The Beatles - Revolver
5. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
6. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
7. The Beatles - The Beatles (White Album)
8. David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars
9. Bob Dylan- Blonde On Blonde
10. The Beatles - Abbey Road
11. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
12. Pixies - Doolittle
13. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
14. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
15. The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main St.
16. The Arcade Fire - Funeral
17. Nirvana - Nevermind
18. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
19. Bob Dylan - Blood on The Tracks
20. Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
21. Stevie Wonder - Innervisions
22. The Beatles - Rubber Soul
23. Love - Forever Changes
24. Radiohead - Kid A
25. Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon
26. R.E.M. - Automatic For The People
27. The Who - Who's Next
28. Neil Young - After The Gold Rush
29. Television - Marquee Moon
30. Prince - Purple Rain
31. Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
32. Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
33. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
34. The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
35. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
36. U2 - The Joshua Tree
37. Talking heads - Remain In Light
38. Led Zeppelin - IV
39. David Bowie - Low
40. Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
41. Bob Dylan - Bringing It All Back Home
42. The Strokes - Is this It
43. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
44. Radiohead - The Bends
45. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
46. R.E.M. - Murmur
47. The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers
48. The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
49. The Rolling Stones - Beggars Banquet
50. The Zombies - Odessey and Oracle
51. The Kinks - The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society
52. U2 - Achtung Baby
53. Prince - Sign 'O' The Times
54. Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back
55. Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key of Life
56. Joy Division - Closer
57. Beck - Odelay
58. Pixies - Surfer Rosa
59. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
60. Portishead - Dummy
61. Joni Mitchell - Blue
62. Michael Jackson - Thriller
63. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were here
64. Belle & Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
65. Radiohead - In Rainbows
66. David Bowie - Hunky Dory
67. Pulp - Different Class
68. Van Morrison - Moondance
69. Paul Simon - Graceland
70. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
71. The Doors - The Doors
72. Elvis Costello - This Year's Model
73. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
74. Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town
75. John Lennon - John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band
76. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver
77. The Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks - Here's the Sex Pistols
78. Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
79. Patti Smith - Horses
80. The White Stripes - Elephant
81. Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes
82. Jeff Buckley - Grace
83. Pavement - Slanted and Enchanted
84. The White Stripes - White Blood Cells
85. Beck - Sea Change
86. Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory?
87. Lou Reed - Transformer
88. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours
89. Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left
90. The Band - The Band
91. The Clash - The Clash
92. PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love
93. Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones
94. Neil Young - Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
95. The Stooges - Fun House
96. Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water
97. Neil Young Rust Never Sleeps
98. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
99. Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True
100. The Replacements - Let It Be
101. De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
102. Björk - Homogenic
103. Leonard Cohen - Songs Of Leonard Cohen
104. Curtis Mayfield- Superfly
105. Otis Redding - Otis Blue: Otis Redding Sings Soul
106. Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavillion
107. Elliott Smith - Either/Or
108. Led Zeppelin - II
109. Nick Drake - Pink Moon
110. John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
111. The Cure - Disintegration
112. Ramones - Ramones
113. The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat
114. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground
115. Stevie Wonder - Talking Book
116. Nirvana - In Utero
117. The Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs
118. Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan
119. Mercury Rev - Deserter's Songs
120. Blur - Parklife
121. Massive Attack - Blue Lines
122. The Beatles - Magical Mystery Tour
123. Dusty Springfield - Dusty in Memphis
124. The Velvet Underground - Loaded
125. Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
126. Sly & The Family Stone - There's a Riot Goin' On
127. The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots
128. Antony & the Johnsons - I Am a Bird Now
129. The Band - Music From Big Pink
130. Neil Young - Harvest
131. Pink Floyd - The Wall
132. Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
133. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
134. Lou Reed - Berlin
135. Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and The Sinner Lady
136. Primal Scream - Screamadelica
137. Elliott Smith - XO
138. Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
139. David Bowie - Station to Station
140. Sigur Rós - Ágætis byrjun
141. Kraftwerk - Trans-Europa Express
142. Pearl Jam - Ten
143. Prince - 1999
144. Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
145. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
146. Steely Dan - Aja
147. Bruce Springsteen - Born in the U.S.A.
148. Joni Mitchell - Court and Spark
149. The Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy
150. Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica
151. Björk - Debut
152. Creedence Clearwater Revival - Cosmo's Factory
153. Daft Punk - Discovery
154. Talking heads - Fear of music
155. Nick Drake - Bryter Layter
156. The Kinks - Something Else By The Kinks
157. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
158. Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
159. Derek & the Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs
160. Michael Jackson - Off The Wall
161. Guns N’ Roses - Appetite For Destruction
162. The Who - Tommy
163. Neil Young - Tonight's The Night
164. DJ Shadow - Endtroducing…
165. Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
166. Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska
167. Sly & The Family Stone - Stand!
168. Pink Floyd The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
169. Bob Dylan - Desire
170. Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf
171. The Smiths - The Smiths
172. The Knife - Silent Shout
173. Big Star - #1 Record
174. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
175. TV on the Radio - Dear Science
176. Slint - Spiderland
177. TV on the Radio - Return to Cookie Mountain
178. Bob Marley - Exodus
179. The Shins - Chutes too narrow
180. Wire - Pink Flag
181. Brian Eno - Another Green World
182. The Beatles - A Hard Day’s Night
183. Carole King - Tapestry
184. Richard & Linda Thompson - I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight
185. Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space
186. Van Morrison - Veedon Fleece
187. The Arcade Fire - Neon Bible
188. Blondie - Parallel Lines
189. Nas - Illmatic
190. Elvis Costello - Armed Forces
191. The Cure - Seventeen Seconds
192. The Beach Boys - Surf's Up
193. PJ Harvey - Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea
194. Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not
195. OutKast - Stankonia
196. Vampire Weekend - Vampire Weekend
197. The National - Boxer
198. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
199. Coldplay - A Rush of Blood to the Head
200. AC/DC - Back In Black
I know how tedious this work could be, so thanks nicolas for collecting this.
It looks like that in order to enter the forum top 3000, a single person had to rank an album #175. I can see how some odd records get into the AM 3000 with that perspective.
Oh, and it looks like another Zappa album was higher than Hot Rats! We're Only In It For the Money was at #254!
what you see in the individual columns are the points and not the positions, but on the second sheet you'll find the points/positions table
Oh no. The Velvet Underground is out of the top 100. Replaced by The Replacements.
A little disappointing (for me).
There's a lot of stuff that I had on mine that I would have thought I'd be the only one, but lo and behold, there they are on others lists!
Albums I'm pleasantly surprised I'm not the only one voting for them:
A Christmas Gift For You
Welcome Interstate Managers
Where Did Our Love Go?
Lupe Fiasco's The Cool
Albums I'm surprised that I was the only one to vote for them:
Things I'm glad got a vote, but not from me
Tres Tres Fort
D-D-Don't Stop The Beat
The Simpsons Sing the Blues
Years that don't have an album in the top 100
The spreadsheet I looked at has one tab with all of the albums on it ranked, FZ's Money album is up there at #245. The second tab has the point assignments for each ranking, and the third tab has the voters and everyone's #1 album.
Am I reading it wrong... can we count Money as the highest FZ album?
I'm getting really Zappa-centric here, but I just want to be sure the first FZ record wasn't all the way down in the low 400s :)
Cool to see someone list Fits. If I had to make a new list today, I would put it in too.
Surprised I'm the only one to list Aenima and Crazy Ex Girlfriend.
Surprised I wasn't the only one to list BLK JKS.
Nicolas, fantastic work on the poll, and the spreadsheet. I regret to inform you, however, that you gave the #5 ranking that I intended for the New York Dolls' s/t debut album to Lou Reed's NEW YORK. A correction would drop Reed's rank by just over a hundred positions (still a great finish, though); more importantly, it would catapult NYD into the top 500!
Incidentally, you have to go down to #491 (Jacques Brel's NE ME QUITTE PAS) before you get to an album not in the AM top 3000 (except, of course, for MPP). If the site hadn't been updated last week, that title would have gone to MORE A LEGEND THAN A BAND by the Flatlanders (#383 on the poll), but that album is in the top 3000 now.
Sorry Harold, mistake corrected
NY Dolls are # 497 now, and Lou Reed's new York is 339
please tell me if you find more mistakes
I'll update the spreadsheet!
And I'm very happy that the first non-AM 3000 album is in FRench and by the great Jacques Brel ! I didn't pick it though, but it's good : he re-recorded some of his best songs with new arrangements on this 1972 album.
And I'm also delighted that the Flatalnders' masterpiece is now in AM list. It's an absolute must-have in alternative country.
A monumental task. Excellent work, we all owe you a debt of gratitude.
Awesome work! It's really great pouring over these lists! One mistake for me: My #14 vote is for Kylie Minogue's Fever, not Tenor Saw's Fever!
It appears that I was the only one to vote for 89 of my top 200 albums. That has to be some kind of record.
Moonbeam : corrected !
Hey Nicolas, congratulations to you guys on last nights victory. Goal may have been a bit fortuitous, but it was always going to come. Still, its only half time and the eternal optimist in me hopes we can pull something out of the hat in Paris and maybe find a midfield (we have a good one, but for various reasons none of them currently play for Ireland).
I have just one question for you, do you know what the highest ranked AM album not to recieve a single vote is?
I have some spare time this afternnon (wife away with daughter, son in bed) so I'm running through the lists and I'm finding some more mistakes. Im gonna update the file when my scanning is done but the top 100 may change again
For the last time, i swear...
I'll tell you
... so I'm gonna delete the file online
You'll be unable to download it until it's clean
Sorry for that...
This is a monumental task and you have done a great job with it. In reviewing the spread sheet last night, I noticed my number 86 (Fresh by the Raspberries) was not included in the 3,000 or so list. Very small error but if you are making corrections.
In looking at the spreadsheet:
Albums that I voted for that I was surprised others voted for:
What color is Love - Terry Callier (3 others no less)
Business as usual - Men at Work - oddball favorite - did not think anyone remembered or cared.
In search of a song - Tom T. Hall - Did not think there would be much country on this list - I was right - but someone else voted for this gem.
Albums I voted for that I was surprised I was the only one:
Strong Persuader - Robert Cray - Very popular light blues album in the mid-80s with critics and fans alike.
California Bloodlines - John Stewart - Tremendously popular with critics in the late 70s.
Making Movies - Dire Straits - To me, its easily their best album.
David Ackles - Self-titled and American Gothic - Surprised because he is fairly popular in Europe.
Album that I did not vote for but glad someone did:
Partners in Crime - Rupert Holmes - A cult campy classic with tales of adultery. Some crap on it for sure but Lunch Hour, Him and In you I trust are outstanding.
In looking at the list, I'm also surprised at how poorly the Byrds fared in the poll. No albums in the top 200. Along with Creedence Clearwater Revival, they were the best American band of the 1960s and their influence was vast. The band Love, for instance, was heavily influenced by the Byrds.
I'm also disappointed that a couple of my favorite albums like Damm the Torpedoes by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers and Squeezing our Sparks by Graham Parker have seemingly faded from acclaim. Both are great albums and were important statements in the late 70s and early 80s.
Great work, thanks a lot !
A very little mistake for me : my vote was for John Coltrane - Giant Steps, not for Boo Radleys - Giant Steps.
Happy that the 1st Tindersticks and Gainsbourg - Melody Nelson are not so far from the top 200.
Happy that my #1 doesn't make the worst result.
Interesting to see lists including some of my favorites; I noticed Hauke, EdAmes, ...
I'll particularly try to discover albums from these lists.
And one remark : some lists seem very close to our final results.
I wonder if they are really personal tastes; still the debate between best and favorite ?
Thank you guys
i'm working on corrections (Tim and michel, I have noticed the mistakes affecting your list and will correct them promptly)...
Beans : a little disapointed by the game last night. We were quite lucky on the goal (but that makes up for the one by Gignac that was refused in the first half).
Lloris, our goalkeeper was great. And you guys can be really dangerous so it's still open for next wednesday !
I have scanned all the lists, comparing them to the spreadsheet and found 17 (little) mistakes
The new spreadsheet is back online and the top 100 has changed (but just a bit and only in the 50 - 100 section)
I'll post the new list soon
Sorry guys but when you told me about the mistakes you found in the "spreadshit" I had to do these checkings...
So here is the updated spreadsheet
everything is in there
For those who can't download or read it, I'll post the new list
To find the individual lists, just select all and sort by voter name !
Sorry to those who already downloaded the old spreadsheet.
I'll be back with the new list.
I typed 1074 for Johnny Hammond's "Gambler's Life", but of course it's 1974
I voted for Caetano Veloso's 1968 LP, and sonofsamiam voted for the also self-titled '71 LP.
I don't know what happened that my vote went to Smiley Smile. I'm guessing you didn't want to give the vote to the unreleased SMiLE.
I'm sorry if I confused you with the Rocio Durcal albums, I thought that the years would be enough.
I have most top 200 entries in common with Hauke and Lagire (both 20), pop elton (19), BillAdama, Chris and Mitchell Stirling (18). Least in common with Peter and Brad (4), BeefSupreme, Jacek, Mark and Sonofsamiam (5).
Surprised I was the only voter for
Bonnie Prince Billy - Master and Everyone
Kiss - Kiss
They Might Be Giants - Flood
The Only Ones - The Only Ones
Regina Spektor - Begin To Hope
Phil Ochs - I Ain't Marching Anymore
Suprised to see more than one vote on
Silver Apples - Contact
BLK JKS - After Robots
New top 200 (until someone finds another mistake, but me I'm done with checkings !!!)
In short, here are the changes :
- Good news :
Sticky Fingers moves from # 47 to 46
Slanted and Enchanted moves up from 83 to 81
Surfer Rosa from 58 to 55
3 Feet High & rising gets into the top 100
Björk's "Post" gets into the top 200, while everyone in the 192-200 section moves up one slot
- Bad news :
Surf's Up is out of the top 200 (212), leaving "Pet Sounds" as the only Beach Boys album in the T200
Let It Be (Replacements) is out of the T100 (110)
Moving down one place : Murmur (47), Songs in The Key Of Life (56), Closer (56), Odelay (57), Fleet Foxes (82), Grace (83.
1 Radiohead OK Computer
2 The Beach Boys Pet Sounds
3 The Clash London Calling
4 The Beatles Revolver
5 The Velvet Underground The Velvet Underground & Nico
6 Bob Dylan Highway 61 Revisited
7 The Beatles The Beatles (White Album)
8 David Bowie The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars
9 Bob Dylan Blonde On Blonde
10 The Beatles Abbey Road
11 The Beatles Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
12 Pixies Doolittle
13 Bruce Springsteen Born To Run
14 The Smiths The Queen Is Dead
15 The Rolling Stones Exile on Main St.
16 The Arcade Fire Funeral
17 Nirvana Nevermind
18 Marvin Gaye What's Going On
19 Bob Dylan Blood on The Tracks
20 Jimi Hendrix Are You Experienced?
21 Stevie Wonder Innervisions
22 The Beatles Rubber Soul
23 Love Forever Changes
24 Radiohead Kid A
25 Pink Floyd The Dark Side of the Moon
26 R.E.M. Automatic For The People
27 The Who Who's Next
28 Neil Young After The Gold Rush
29 Television Marquee Moon
30 Prince Purple Rain
31 Jimi Hendrix Electric Ladyland
32 Miles Davis Kind of Blue
33 The Stone Roses The Stone Roses
34 The Rolling Stones Let It Bleed
35 Van Morrison Astral Weeks
36 U2 The Joshua Tree
37 Talking heads Remain In Light
38 Led Zeppelin IV
39 David Bowie Low
40 Neutral Milk Hotel In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
41 Bob Dylan Bringing It All Back Home
42 The Strokes Is this It
43 Sufjan Stevens Illinois
44 Radiohead The Bends
45 My Bloody Valentine Loveless
46 The Rolling Stones Sticky Fingers
47 R.E.M. Murmur
48 The Flaming Lips The Soft Bulletin
49 The Rolling Stones Beggars Banquet
50 The Zombies Odessey and Oracle
51 The Kinks The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society
52 U2 Achtung Baby
53 Prince Sign 'O' The Times
54 Public Enemy It Takes a Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back
55 Pixies Surfer Rosa
56 Stevie Wonder Songs In The Key of Life
57 Joy Division Closer
58 Beck Odelay
59 Sonic Youth Daydream Nation
60 Portishead Dummy
61 Joni Mitchell Blue
62 Michael Jackson Thriller
63 Pink Floyd Wish You Were here
64 Belle & Sebastian If You're Feeling Sinister
65 Radiohead In Rainbows
66 David Bowie Hunky Dory
67 Pulp Different Class
68 Van Morrison Moondance
69 Paul Simon Graceland
70 Wilco Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
71 The Doors The Doors
72 Elvis Costello This Year's Model
73 Pavement Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
74 Bruce Springsteen Darkness on the Edge of Town
75 John Lennon John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band
76 LCD Soundsystem Sound of Silver
77 The Sex Pistols Never Mind the Bollocks - Here's the Sex Pistols
78 Tom Waits Rain Dogs
79 Patti Smith Horses
80 The White Stripes Elephant
81 Pavement Slanted and Enchanted
82 Fleet Foxes Fleet Foxes
83 Jeff Buckley Grace
84 The White Stripes White Blood Cells
85 Beck Sea Change
86 Oasis (What's the Story) Morning Glory?
87 Lou Reed Transformer
88 Fleetwood Mac Rumours
89 Nick Drake Five Leaves Left
90 The Band The Band
91 The Clash The Clash
92 PJ Harvey To Bring You My Love
93 Tom Waits Swordfishtrombones
94 Neil Young Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
95 The Stooges Fun House
96 Simon & Garfunkel Bridge Over Troubled Water
97 Neil Young Rust Never Sleeps
98 Joy Division Unknown Pleasures
99 Elvis Costello My Aim Is True
100 De La Soul 3 Feet High and Rising
101 Björk Homogenic
102 Leonard Cohen Songs Of Leonard Cohen
103 Otis Redding Otis Blue: Otis Redding Sings Soul
104 Curtis Mayfield Superfly
105 Animal Collective Merriweather Post Pavillion
106 Elliott Smith Either/Or
107 Led Zeppelin II
108 Nick Drake Pink Moon
109 John Coltrane A Love Supreme
110 The Replacements Let It Be
111 The Cure Disintegration
112 Ramones Ramones
113 The Velvet Underground White Light/White Heat
114 The Velvet Underground The Velvet Underground
115 Stevie Wonder Talking Book
116 Nirvana In Utero
117 The Magnetic Fields 69 Love Songs
118 Bob Dylan The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan
119 Mercury Rev Deserter's Songs
120 Blur Parklife
121 Massive Attack Blue Lines
122 The Beatles Magical Mystery Tour
123 Dusty Springfield Dusty in Memphis
124 The Velvet Underground Loaded
125 Interpol Turn on the Bright Lights
126 Sly & The Family Stone There's a Riot Goin' On
127 The Flaming Lips Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots
128 Antony & the Johnsons I Am a Bird Now
129 The Band Music From Big Pink
130 Neil Young Harvest
131 Pink Floyd The Wall
132 Led Zeppelin Physical Graffiti
133 Beastie Boys Paul's Boutique
134 Lou Reed Berlin
135 Charles Mingus The Black Saint and The Sinner Lady
136 Primal Scream Screamadelica
137 Elliott Smith XO
138 Smashing Pumpkins Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
139 David Bowie Station to Station
140 Sigur Rós Ágætis byrjun
141 Kraftwerk Trans-Europa Express
142 Pearl Jam Ten
143 Prince 1999
144 Robert Wyatt Rock Bottom
145 Oasis Definitely Maybe
146 Steely Dan Aja
147 Bruce Springsteen Born in the U.S.A.
148 Joni Mitchell Court and Spark
149 Captain Beefheart Trout Mask Replica
150 Björk Debut
151 Creedence Clearwater Revival Cosmo's Factory
152 Daft Punk Discovery
153 Talking heads Fear of music
154 Nick Drake Bryter Layter
155 The Jesus and Mary Chain Psychocandy
156 The Kinks Something Else By The Kinks
157 Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin
158 Smashing Pumpkins Siamese Dream
159 Derek & the Dominos Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs
160 Michael Jackson Off The Wall
161 Guns N’ Roses Appetite For Destruction
162 The Who Tommy
163 Neil Young Tonight's The Night
164 DJ Shadow Endtroducing…
165 Franz Ferdinand Franz Ferdinand
166 Bruce Springsteen Nebraska
167 Sly & The Family Stone Stand!
168 Pink Floyd The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
169 Bob Dylan Desire
170 Queens of the Stone Age Songs for the Deaf
171 The Smiths The Smiths
172 The Knife Silent Shout
173 Big Star #1 Record
174 Wu-Tang Clan Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
175 TV on the Radio Dear Science
176 TV on the Radio Return to Cookie Mountain
177 Bob Marley Exodus
178 The Shins Chutes too narrow
179 Wire Pink Flag
180 Brian Eno Another Green World
181 The Beatles A Hard Day’s Night
182 Slint Spiderland
183 Carole King Tapestry
184 Richard & Linda Thompson I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight
185 Spiritualized Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space
186 Van Morrison Veedon Fleece
187 The Arcade Fire Neon Bible
188 Blondie Parallel Lines
189 Nas Illmatic
190 Elvis Costello Armed Forces
191 The Cure Seventeen Seconds
192 PJ Harvey Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea
193 Arctic Monkeys Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not
194 OutKast Stankonia
195 Vampire Weekend Vampire Weekend
196 The National Boxer
197 Eminem The Marshall Mathers LP
198 Coldplay A Rush of Blood to the Head
199 AC/DC Back In Black
200 Björk Post
Other albums move in the lower reaches, but i can't name them all (moving up : Portishead's Third, Devo's Are we not men, Kanye West's Late Registration, American Beauty, Peter Gabriel III, Beatles' let it Be)
Michel, great to see I'm not alone in my love for Swell, the most underrated band in history based on their (lack of) AM ranking.
I was interested in the points you and Bill made about some of the pollsters lists. The problem with the running order of these greatest album polls has always been that they are, to a great extent, self-perpetuating.
Henrik's site is a brilliant and fascinating one, but I hope nobody's musical exploration and outlook is based entirely on its contents. The simple fact is that there's a vast expanse of incredible music out there which, for whatever reason, has never received the acclaim it deserves.
Once again, cheers for the tremendous effort, nicolas. Incidentally, I really wanted both France and Ireland to make the finals, but bon chance for Wednesday mate.
nicolas.... fantastic job throughout. this has been a blast to follow.
Two small mistakes, which are probably not worth fixing, since it affects is well outside the top-1000: I voted for Life by the Cardigans, not Life by Sly and the Family Stone. As musch as I love Sly... I only voted for There's a Riot... and Stand!
Also, I voted for the self titled debut of the group Ben Folds Five, not the confusingly titled solo live album Ben Folds Live.
I've already fixed your Cardigans mistake during my bug-hunt yesterday and it's in the update which is online now (link above)
I'll correct the other one in the next update
I love this top 3000+ we have,it's a goldmine !!
AMF top 200 albums
1. 70s : 63 (31.5 %)
2. 50-60s : 41 (20.5 %)
3. 90's : 38 (19 %)
4. 00's : 30 (15 %)
5. 80's : 28 (14 %)
AMF top 10
1. 60s : 7
2. 70s : 1
2. 80s : 1
2. 90s : 1
5. 00s : 0
AMF top 100
1. 70s : 32
2. 50-60s : 23
3. 80s : 17
3. 90s : 17
5. 00s : 11
The seventies are still the giant decade, providing the biggest number of albums.
The late sixties are the golden age : 7 albums in the top 10, and only from 1965-69
The proportion of 00's albums increases when you go down the list.
in our top 200
100 albums were released before 1978
100 in 1978 and later
Spanish jury (Honorio, Miguel and Otisredding)
1 - David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars
2 - Van Morrison - Moondance
3 - The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
4 - The Beatles - The Beatles (White Album)
5 - Lou Reed - Transformer
6 - Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
7 - The Clash - London Calling
8 - Love - Forever Changes
9 - Stevie Wonder - Innervisions
10 - The Beatles - Revolver
11 - Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde
12 - The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
13 - Leonard Cohen - Songs Of Leonard Cohen
14 - Talking heads - Remain In Light
15 - The Kinks - The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society
16 - Paul Simon - Graceland
17 - Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones
18 - Prince - Purple Rain
19 - Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man
20 - Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
I just noticed I have only 48 of my album in the top 200 !
And the top 40 of the French voters (6 men) :
1 - David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars
2 - The Clash - London Calling
3 - The Beatles - The Beatles (White Album)
4 - Neil Young - After The Gold Rush
5 - Radiohead - OK Computer
6 - The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
7 - Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
8 - Portishead - Dummy
9 - Pixies - Doolittle
10 - Nirvana - Nevermind
11 - The Beatles - Abbey Road
12 - David Bowie - Hunky Dory
13 - The Doors - The Doors
14 - Prince - Sign 'O' The Times
15 - Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
16 - The Beatles - Revolver
17 - Joy Division - Closer
18 - Creedence Clearwater Revival - Cosmo's Factory
19 - Serge Gainsbourg - Histoire de Melody Nelson
20 - The Who - Who's Next
21 - Gorillaz - Demon Days
22 - Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town
23 - The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
24 - The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
25 - The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
26 - Tom Waits - Blue Valentine
27 - LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver
28 - Elliott Smith - Either/Or
29 - Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf
30 - Keith Jarrett - The Köln Concert
31 - Talking heads Remain In Light
32 - Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
33 - Lou Reed - Berlin
34 - Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
35 - Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key of Life
36 - Björk - Homogenic
37 - The Rolling Stones - Beggars Banquet
38 - Led Zeppelin - IV
39 - Stevie Wonder - Talking Book
40 - Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
Finally, I'm not the only French to found Dylan is a typical American singer.
Can somebody help an old man? I was trying to divide the total points by the number of ballots to get an average points per ballot. I kept getting a #value error. What's the secret?
sounds like you need to lock in on the "number of ballots cell" before dragging the equation down. You can do this by clicking on the cell value in the formula bar, then hitting "F4" once. You'll see "$" signs pop up... this locks that cell value in place.
I can't get to the spreadsheet to see what you may be doing, but this sounds like it may be the problem (hopefully).
That sounds right. Thanks!
1) insert a new column
2) in the first cell (say radiohead) write
=E2/G2 (on the last update of the spreadsheet E2 is the "total" cell, g2 is the "nb of ballots" cell)
then you've got your result
then select your cell, and point to the lower right corner of the cell until the pointer becomes a little black cross then double click and all the cells in the columns will show your results
I hope it's clear
If I've looked right, the first album on the AM 3000 list that isn't in our own AMF 3000 is
Live at the Regal by BB King, # 286
the first album that is out of the T200 is Live at the Appolo by James Brown (# 39 in AM 3000, # 249 in our poll
The average points per ballot is an interesting data (if you leave out albums that had a very small number of votes of course).
So Paul, I hope you'll share your results...
Re-ranking the top 10, 20, 50, 200, or re-ranking the whole list but only keeping albums with more than 8,9 or10 ballots would prove interesting
I'll post the list of averages when I have some free time.
Here are the top 25 scoring albums based on average points per ballot appearance (minimum 5 ballots):
1. Radiohead - OK Computer (128.59735)
2. The Clash - London Calling (117.83457)
3. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds (114.40091)
4. Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible (112.734)
5. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited (109.87532)
6. Van Morrison - Veedon Fleece (108.75333)
7. Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde 9108.41615)
8. The Beatles - White Album (105.20681)
9. The Velvet Underground - & Nico (101.27373)
10. David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust (100.35042)
11. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run (99.887714)
12. The Beatles - Revolver (97.182545)
13. Gene Clark - No Other (96.128333)
14. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's (95.55561)
15. Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea (95.0788)
16. Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (93.31037)
17. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead (92.306216)
18. Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced? (92.184286)
19. The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main St. (91.65)
20. Bob Dylan - Blood on The Tracks (91.432222)
21. The Beatles - Abbey Road (89.475652)
22. The Arcade Fire - Funeral (87.674474)
23. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On (86.884474)
24. Johnny Cash - American Recordings (85.708333)
25. Pixies - Doolittle (85.048222)
Here are albums that appeared at least 3 but no more than 10 ballots ranked according to average per ballot appearance:
1. Tindersticks - Tindersticks - 122.10
2. Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible - 112.73
3. Van Morrison - Veedon Fleece - 108.75
4. Pavement - Wowee zowee - 97.49
5. Gene Clark - No Other - 96.13
6. X-Ray Spex - Germfree Adolescents - 92.91
7. Fugazi - The Argument - 91.48
8. The Millennium - Begin - 91.31
9. The Beta Band - The Three E.P.'s - 91.28
10. The Sundays - Reading, Writing and Arithmetic - 90.91
11. Van Dyke Parks - Song Cycle - 90.07
12. Tindersticks - Tindersticks (II) - 89.59
13. Lambchop - Nixon - 89.26
14. Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong - Ella & Louis - 88.65
15. The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour - 87.15
16. Sigur Rós - Takk - 87.03
17. Modest Mouse - Good News For People Who Like Bad News - 86.74
18. Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man - 85.89
19. Johnny Cash - American Recordings - 85.71
20. Howlin' Wolf - Moanin' in the Moonlight - 83.86
21. Tim Buckley - Happy Sad - 82.57
22. Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf - 81.61
23. Joni Mitchell - The Hissing of Summer Lawns - 81.55
24. The Beach Boys - Smiley smile - 81.31
25. Bob Dylan - Live 1966 The "Royal Albert Hall" Concert - 80.69
Plenty useless stats :
The year earning the most points is 1967, closely followed by 1971, 1969 and 1968.
pre 1950 : 625 pts (0.10%)
biggest fan : David (2/3 of the points all by himself)
1950s : 7909 pts (1,31%)
best year : 1959 (3936 pts)
worst year : 1950 and 1951 (0 pts)
biggest fans : David, Paul and Nicolas
60s : 116521,69 pts (19,32%)
best year : 1967 (25945pts)
worst year : 1962 : (466pts)
biggest fans :
regarding points : Georgie (3604 pts), Paul (3549 pts), Jonathon (3103 pts)
regarding % : Peter (40,81% of his votes), Georgie (36,28%), Paul (35,57%)
not so fan :
regarding points : Moonbeam (249 pts), Beefsupreme (288pts), Bruno (316pts)
regarding % : Moonbeam (2,46%), Beefsupreme (3,87%), Tim E (4,18%)
70s : 162578,71 (26,95%)
best year : 1971 (24837 pts)
worst year : 1976 (8025 pts)
biggest fans :
regarding points : Henry (5606 pts), Georgie (5120 pts), sonofsamiam (4657 pts)
regarding % : Henry (56,35%), Georgie (51,54%), Ramone666 (51,38%)
not so fans :
regarding points : Nassim (404,87 pts), TimE (532,09 pts), EdAmes(572 pts)
regarding % : Nassim (4,30%), TimE (5,93%), Rune (6,17%)
80s : 96420,84 (15,98%)
best year : 1989 (13812 pts)
worst year : 1981 (4381 pts)
biggest fans :
regarding points : Moonbeam (who else ? 4267 pts), Bruno (4126 pts), Greg ("only" 2796 pts)
regarding % : Bruno (55,47%), Moonbeam (42,25%), Beefsupreme (32,06%)
not so fans :
regarding points : Steven (240pts), pop elton (374 pts), PierO (464 pts)
regarding % : pop elton (3,75%), Steven (4,62%), PierO (4,65%)
90s : 120040,14 (19,90%)
best year : 1997 (16692 pts)
worst year : 1990 (6411 pts)
biggest fans :
regarding points : schaefer.tk (4923 pts), PierO (4027 pts), Schwah (3523 pts)
regarding % : schaefer.tk (49,35%), EdAmes (40,83%), PierO (40,36%)
not so fan :
regarding points : Georgie (165pts), Paul (279pts), Ramone666 (495pts)
regarding % : Georgie (1,66%), Paul (2,80%), Ramone666 (5,57%)
00s : 99145,49 (16,44%)
best year : 2002 (13104 pts)
worst year : 2009 (4041 pts)
biggest fans :
regarding points : Rune (5343 pts), Nassim (5042 pts), pop elton (4520 pts)
regarding % : Nassim (53,60%), Rune (53,56%), pop elton (45,30%)
not so fans :
regarding pts : Ramone666 (91 pts), Henry (119 pts), Bruno (228pts)
regarding % : Ramone 666 (1,02%), Henry (1,20%), Paul (2,45%)
The Beatles got a bit more of 4% of the total points all by themselves, Dylan about 3% and the Rolling Stones, David Bowie and Radiohead about 2%.
What?! I am the only one who voted for The Psychedelic sounds of... by The 13th Floor Elevators ? It´s the first out-and-out psychedelic album ever! With plenty of Garage Rock influences round the edges, though. Its production soaked in echo, Roky Erickson´s maniacal snarl, the mutated Surf guitars, Tommy Hall´s naggin´ electric jug to top it off, and all this packaged in the most mindblowing sleeve of 1966. These acid-eating Texans were the real deal. If you are even remotely interested in 60s psychedelia, check this album out. You´ll be in for a treat.
How do we relate to each other on our top 200 ballots? I have done a factor analysis to try to answer this. Factor analysis is a statistical method used to describe variability among observed variables (in our case the 68 ballots) in terms of fewer unobserved variables called factors.
Factor 1 shows the most apparent voting pattern among us, followed by factor 2 and so on. I think the first two factors are rather easy to describe in words.
Factor 1 = "Level of agreement with other forumers' votes"
Factor 2 = "Modern vs. classics"
After that, it gets more muddy...even though I am an extreme factor 5 voter myself, I find it a bit difficult to say what this factor really is about. Maybe the higher-numbered factors don't make much sense, but it would be fun if you could help me labeling some of them. This spreadsheet contains graphs of the factors in pairs, where all the 68 of us are spread out, and I have also created top 10 albums lists of the favorites of the voters in the top, left, right and bottom of the graphs.
Many of the symbols in the graphs are very similar, but if you click on the graph once and then hold your mouse over a symbol, the name will appear.
Great stats, Henrik!!
So Rune, nj and Moonbeam are the most eccentric (I mean the ones with least agreement with the others)!!
And I'm almost in the middle of every factor, i'm the man in the middle.
Henrik, what are factors 9&10? Me and Beef Supreme are so far to the left of everyone else.
Jeez Henrik, I don't know. The put 4 of the albums on the right side on my list, one of them in my top 50.
Its not solo vs. group, its not man vs. woman, not UK vs. US...looking at the my graph opposite, Mark, I think it could be 2000s, even if the left and rights barely have any 2000s albums.
I was too late to get in my list of 200 but it looks like 98 of these had a solid chance of making it in.
It seems that I'm pretty extreme when it comes to factors 3 and 5 (not that I know what that means). Cool analysis though.
Thanks for the post. I found the stats to be quite useful. It confirms my belief that I would benefit from diversifying my listening out of the 70's. Hopefully, my subsequent lists will demonstrate some movement towards newer albums and songs.
Beans, I'm really sorry and feel very uncomfortable after last night's game...
Such an ending is not fair.. We were even and then, this messy goal..
I started a World Cup thread in the off-topic section.
Please go ther if you want to talk soccer
Why are there three albums at the bottom of the spreadsheet that have points not showing up in the "Total" column?
Also, with all the Pixies love around here, I'm surprised I'm the only one to vote for "Trompe Le Monde."
1. Jamiroquai - Travelling Without Moving
my roommate has been playing Jamiroquai on his speakers nearly every day for the past few weeks.
Factor 3 = High production vs low production
Factor 4 = British pop vs weird pop
Factor 5 = Abstract songs about personal loss and alienation vs bluesy atmosphere and charisma
Factor 6 = I dislike aggressive guitar
Factor 7 = I like Beatles and Prince
Factor 8 = I like folky orchestrated pop vs I am anti-pop culture
Factor 9 = I like Bob Dylan
Factor 10 = ?
Sick of Beatles/Dylan? Here is a top 10 list from the sixteen voters who gave less than 300 total points to the Beatles and Dylan combined:
1. The Clash - London Calling
2. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
3. Radiohead - OK Computer
4. The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
5. David Bowie - Low
6. R.E.M. - Automatic For The People
7. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
8. Pixies - Doolittle
9. David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust
10. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
Highest ranking Beatles album from this group was the White Album at No. 60. The highest Dylan album was Highway 61 Revisited at No. 206.
Now for the other side of the coin. Here are the top 10 non-Beatles/Dylan albums from the sixteen voters who gave the Beatles and Dylan over 1000 points:
2. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
6. Radiohead - OK Computer
10. The Clash - London Calling
12. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
13. The Velvet Underground - The VU & Nico
15. The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main St.
16. Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
17. Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon
18. The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
19. Nirvana - Nevermind
No Bowie and only the top three the same as the last list I posted. Otherwise, way more classic rock, as would be expected.