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Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Nicolas, great work so far! Sorry to be a pain but my votes for Fun House and The Ramones were at #112 and #117, not #12 and #17!

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Ah, Bridge Over Troubled Water. The Best of the Simon and Garfunkel records, yet I feel most of Paul Simon's solo efforts are better than any of the collective's efforts. I feel that Simon and Garfunkel were primarly a singles outfit in the vein of late 50s/early 60s acts, and their albums are just there to drive the singles. Out of their 4 big albums, BOTW is the best as an album, but it does not have the level of singles from Bookends or Sound of Silence. I will say this: if I could put a greatest hits collection on my list Simon and Garfunkel would be #1.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

How the hel...

Ok, thanks Mitchell, it's better to tell me now

I've checked the spreadsheet and I didn't do the same mistake for anybody else apparently

Correcting....

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

After all this is done, I think it would be interesting to start a thread where everyone who voted answers two questions:

1. What is the highest rated album on the final group list that was not on your personal list at all?

2. What is the album you rated most highly on your personal list that is nowhere on the final group list?

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

ok guys

I've just discovered 2 mistakes in half an hour so I think I've been doing this a bit too quickly.

Consequently I will make a series of checkings that will take me time (half a day I would say, unless I don't find anymore mistakes).

After that I'll come back with the REAL list

I'm sorry but this was really a BIG job and any mistake changes the whole hing.

So I'm gonna track other possible errors.

I'll let you know when I'm done

The "Mitchell Stirling error" had even changed the top 20 !!

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Nicolas, just wanted to say cheers for the effort so far. Great work, fascinating list.
Also:-great to see Funhouse back in the top 100. Absolute masterpiece.
-fantastic showing for Sea Change. Pleasant surprise.
-Dry is the best PJ Harvey album.
-Spiderland will be in the top 100 next time we do one of these. How do I know this? I don't. I don't even think it. I'm not sure why I wrote it.
Sorry...I was born in 1973 and am having what I believe they call a 'senior moment'.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Don't worry nicolas, no rush!

While we're at it, PJ Harvey albums:

1. White Chalk
2. To Bring You My Love
3. Rid of Me
4. Dry
5. Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea
6. Is This Desire?
7. Uh Huh Her

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Bonjour again

I owe you a few technical explanations.

Before revealing the results I had just checked that

- I had the right number of lists in the spreadsheet

- that each list had the right number of albums

I hadn't checked the point distribution, which led to the now famous Mitchell Stirling error (sorry Mitch).

Now i have check that for each column (or each individual list) the sum of points is right. I found 6 more errors that i corrected quickly.

now the only possible errors left could be that I didn't give the said points to the right album (the Honorio/Simon and garfunkel error) or that I have misranked the albums. For that I'd need to check each and every list, which is beyond my free time and courage.

But I was very careful about that during the compiling (and the Honorio error happened in the very beginning) so i hope there is no more mistake.

Now, let us see what has changed in the top 200.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

New list 200-176


200. AC/DC - Back In Black
199. Coldplay - A Rush of Blood to the Head
198. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
197. The National - Boxer
196. Vampire Weekend - Vampire Weekend
195. OutKast - Stankonia
194. Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not
193. PJ Harvey - Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea
192. The Beach Boys - Surf's Up
191. The Cure - Seventeen Seconds
190. Nas - Illmatic
189. Elvis Costello - Armed Forces
188. Blondie - Parallel Lines
187. The Arcade Fire - Neon Bible
186. Van Morrison - Veedon Fleece
185. Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space
184. Richard & Linda Thompson - I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight
183. Carole King - Tapestry
182. The Beatles - A Hard Day’s Night
181. Brian Eno - Another Green World
180. Wire - Pink Flag
179. The Shins - Chutes too narrow
178. Bob Marley - Exodus
177. TV on the Radio - Return to Cookie Mountain
176. Slint - Spiderland

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Considering the vastness of the undertaking, a few mistakes is more than forgivable. You're really doing a great job, and I admire your dedication. Of the last few, I think I had both Sea Change and Funhouse on my list. Pleasantly surprised at Sea Change's performance,

Also, nicholas, you were right about Everbyody Knows This Is Nowhere. That's an album. I'm recommending to all my friends who are interested in music that they acquire every single album in this T100.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

out of the new top 200 :

REM - Life's Rich Pageant
Gorillaz - Demon Days

in the new top 200 :

AC/DC - Back in Black
Coldplay - A Rush Of Blood To The Head

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

New list 175 - 126

175 TV on the Radio/ Dear Science
174 Wu-Tang Clan /Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
173 Big Star /#1 Record
172 The Knife /Silent Shout
171 The Smiths /The Smiths
170 Queens of the Stone Age /Songs for the Deaf
169 Bob Dylan /Desire
168 Pink Floyd /The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
167 Sly & The Family Stone /Stand!
166 Bruce Springsteen /Nebraska
165 Franz Ferdinand /Franz Ferdinand
164 DJ Shadow /Endtroducing…
163 Neil Young /Tonight's The Night
162 The Who /Tommy
161 Guns N’ Roses /Appetite For Destruction
160 Michael Jackson /Off The Wall
159 Derek & the Dominos /Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs
158 Smashing Pumpkins /Siamese Dream
157 The Kinks /Something Else By The Kinks
156 Nick Drake /Bryter Layter
155 Talking heads /Fear of music
154 Daft Punk /Discovery
153 Creedence Clearwater Revival /Cosmo's Factory
152 Björk /Debut
151 Captain Beefheart /Trout Mask Replica
150 The Jesus and Mary Chain /Psychocandy
149 Joni Mitchell /Court and Spark
148 Steely Dan /Aja
147 Oasis /Definitely Maybe
146 Robert Wyatt /Rock Bottom
145 Prince /1999
144 Pearl Jam /Ten
143 Kraftwerk /Trans-Europa Express
142 Sigur Rós /Ágætis byrjun
141 David Bowie /Station to Station
140 Smashing Pumpkins /Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
139 Elliott Smith /XO
138 Primal Scream /Screamadelica
137 Bruce Springsteen /Born in the U.S.A.
136 Charles Mingus /The Black Saint and The Sinner Lady
135 Lou Reed /Berlin
134 Beastie Boys /Paul's Boutique
133 Led Zeppelin /Physical Graffiti
132 Pink Floyd /The Wall
131 Neil Young /Harvest
130 The Band /Music From Big Pink
129 Antony & the Johnsons /I Am a Bird Now
128 The Flaming Lips /Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots
127 Sly & The Family Stone /There's a Riot Goin' On
126 Interpol /Turn on the Bright Lights

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

New list 125 -101

125 The Velvet Underground /Loaded
124 Dusty Springfield /Dusty in Memphis
123 The Beatles /Magical Mystery Tour
122 Led Zeppelin /Led Zeppelin
121 Massive Attack /Blue Lines
120 Blur /Parklife
119 Mercury Rev /Deserter's Songs
118 Bob Dylan /The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan
117 The Magnetic Fields /69 Love Songs
116 Nirvana /In Utero
115 Stevie Wonder /Talking Book
114 The Velvet Underground /White Light/White Heat
113 Ramones /Ramones
112 The Cure /Disintegration
111 John Coltrane /A Love Supreme
110 Nick Drake /Pink Moon
109 Led Zeppelin /II
108 Animal Collective /Merriweather Post Pavillion
107 Elliott Smith /Either/Or
106 Otis Redding /Otis Blue: Otis Redding Sings Soul
105 Curtis Mayfield /Superfly
104 Leonard Cohen /Songs Of Leonard Cohen
103 Björk /Homogenic
102 De La Soul /3 Feet High and Rising
101 The Replacements /Let It Be

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Out of the top 100

The Ramones - Ramones

Ok that's all for the moment.

See you with the top 100, probably tonight. I'll introduce you to 1 newcomer (and another one which has gone down below 86), and then we will resume our countdown.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

I was the late vote on Sea Change... my #29 album. The post I am most proud of on these boards thus far is the one I did eulogizing Beck after he was voted out of Survivor. I wrote this about Sea Change:

At core though, there is something unique that Beck brings to his songs quite apart from the influences that he draws from. Most nakedly, this can be seen on "Sea Change," where the artifice is shorn away in deep respect for the death of a relationship. Whether naked when it is just his voice and a guitar (no more "two turntables and a microphone") or massively forceful when his father's string arrangement swells on "Lonesome Tears," on this album Beck proves what should have been apparent upon closer listening to his earlier albums... the music and the emotion and the songs and the power are entirely his own, no matter from whom or what he might have originally borrowed, or how many layers of irony he filters them through.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

"Sea Change" was my number 42. I didn't think I liked Beck until I listened to that album, but that album is different from most of his other work. It draws more from the Nick Drake side of things, which makes it brilliant. It's different from all his other work, so if you don't like Beck, you should still try this album.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Either/Or passes MPP, and The Velvet Underground goes into the top 100. I like the net result of your corrections!

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Hey Nicolas, doing this job with no mistakes whatsoever would make one suspect you of being less than human. I've been busy for the first part of the countdown, but will catch up now.

By the way, I second Pee Wees suggestion that it will be fun to see which is the most glaring discrepancy between our own lists and the final top 200. I think we had a game for the poll-before-last, where anyone who felt like it wrote a small piece on his own highest-ranking album not in the final list.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

So, so, so happy that SEA CHANGE is in the top 100! I'm also glad that it's been steadily moving up in the ranks on the 2000s spreadsheet (it's currently #55, which is still way too low). It's my favorite Beck album by far and probably my favorite album of the decade.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Sea Change is easily my favorite Beck album. It would hit my top 20 of the decade.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Just to clarify, it was me that voted for Sea Change at #12 (I know there are a few other Chris' here). That album is a space-folk masterpiece.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

peewee, yes, we will compare our lists with the Am list

After the whole list is known, it will be statistic time !

I guess I'll post the spreadsheet so you can download it and play with it...

But one thing at a time

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

ok, I have time to post a few albums (just a few)


”New” #100



The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground (1969)

1109.84 points

AM 3000 rank : 200

Appeared on 22 ballots / 68

Fans: EdAmes # 4, Jackson # 15


Moderator:
Passing White Light/White Heat, the third VU album is 100 ranks ahead of its AM 3000 position

Nicolas:
Less, far less hype than the VU & Nico, but very charming album, more peaceful, closer to what lou reed would do in the 70's, now that Cale is gone.

Jackson:
I cite this album as proof that the Velvet Underground were one of the most versatile bands of all time. A complete departure from the artsy, avante-garde sound they pioneered on their first two albums, this self-titled effort is basically an acoustic singer-songwriter album. It might not reach the highs of its more-acclaimed big brother, but I actually find it to be more consistent, with self-reflective, religiously influenced lyrics. "The Murder Mystery" proves the VU could still do effective experiments, but songs like "After Hours" and "Pale Blue Eyes" are the heart of the album: mellow, well-written, and above all else, sincere.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

New list 99-90




99. Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True - 1977

98. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures - 1979

97. Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps - 1979

96. Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water - 1970

95. The Stooges - Fun House - 1970

94. Neil Young - Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere - 1969

93. Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones - 1983

92. PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love - 1995

91. The Clash - The Clash - 1977

90. The Band - The Band - 1969

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Everybody Knows and Fun House move down, victims of the Mitchell Striling mistake (I had given too much points to the second half of his list)

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

"New" #89



Nick Drake – Five Leaves Left - (1969)

1230.53 points

AM 3000 rank : 159

Appeared on 22 ballots / 68

Fans: popelton # 4, Henrik # 12, Nassim # 18


Moderator:
Nick Drake is definitively a favourite of this forum. Each one of his three albums made the top 200 with a position higher than on AM 3000. Like Björk he hasn't got ONE unanimously acclaimed album. Hence this little spreading effect that stopped him from being higher than 85.

Nicolas:
A very special record, a very special singer for sure. Hugely influential (from Elliot Smith to The Tallest Man On Earth), he created his own brand of recognizable folk pop, using weird guitar tunings to craft magnificent melodies. On this album he's backed by strings, flutes and horns that provide a perfect setting for his beautiful (and very lonely) songs.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

New list 88-85

88. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours

87. Lou Reed - Transformer

86. Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory?

85. Beck - Sea Change


... and now we're back on our feet again !

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Thanks for the clarification Nicholas! Surprised to see Five Leaves Left ahead of Pink Moon. Will you continue the unveiling, or will we have to wait to tomorrow (a fate that would be agonizing)?

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

I'll try to do a few tonight, hoping to get at least to 80

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

#84



The White Stripes – White Blood Cells - (2001)

1267.99 points

AM 3000 rank : 156

Appeared on 26 ballots / 68

Fans: Wes #22


Moderator:
Another album from the present decade. Jack and Meg appear on an impressive number of list without ever scoring high.

Jonmarck:
This is what I hate about mainstream audiences. Put out two decent blues/country/garage rock albums and no one cares. Hire someone to make a music video out of Lego and all of a sudden you're hot shit. It's a great album, particularly the sweetheart ditties "Hotel Yorba" and "We're Going to be Friends" but it makes you wonder what they'd be like if they just hired Michel Gondry at the start.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Seeing that we're having a Polly Harvey poll to while away the time, my Top 3 would be

1 - Stories from the City
2 - To Bring you my Love
3 - White Chalk
and after that I'm uncertain, but one favourite is a radio live recording from Glastonbury '95 (reminds me of the tremendous show I witnessed at Roskilde a few days later)

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Yeah! White Blood Cells! I wonder how high Elephant will end up. Unfortunately, due to a few filler tracks on each Stripes album, I don't think we'll ever see them towards the very top.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Sorry guys I have to go for a few hours

I'll be back

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

The Evolution in AM Forums

2009-2008-2005

84 - 86 - 178 - The White Stripes - White Blood Cells
85 - 129 - xxx - Beck - Sea Change
86 - 67 - 53 - Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory?
87 - 92 - 78 - Lou Reed - Transformer
88 - 101 - 72 - Fleetwood Mac - Rumours
89 - 72 - xxx - Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left
90 - 80 - 143 - The Band - The Band
91 - 106 - 199 - The Clash - The Clash
92 - 61 - 74 - PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love
93 - 127 - 68 - Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones
94 - xxx - xxx - Neil Young with Crazy Horse - Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
95 - 112 - 82 - The Stooges - Fun House
96 - 119 - xxx - Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water
97 - 102 - 151 - Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Rust Never Sleeps
98 - 141 - 30 - Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
99 - 88 - 132 - Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True
100 - 113 - 152 - The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground
101 - 93 - xxx - The Replacements - Let It Be
102 - 169 - 109 - De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
103 - 95 - 83 - Björk - Homogenic
104 - 120 - 99 - Leonard Cohen - Songs of Leonard Cohen
105 - 182 - 140 - Curtis Mayfield - Superfly
106 - 87 - xxx - Otis Redding - Otis Blue/Otis Redding Sings Soul
107 - 107 - xxx - Elliott Smith - Either/Or
108 - xxx - xxx - Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavillion
109 - xxx - xxx - Led Zeppelin - II
110 - 116 - 95 - Nick Drake - Pink Moon
111 - 81 - 60 - John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
112 - 171 - 69 - The Cure - Disintegration
114 - 149 - xxx - The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat
115 - 117 - 142 - Stevie Wonder - Talking Book
116 - 104 - 51 - Nirvana - In Utero
117 - 140 - 94 - Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs
118 - 108 - 185 - Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
119 - 154 - 173 - Mercury Rev - Deserter's Songs
120 - 89 - 46 - Blur - Parklife
121 - 85 - 88 - Massive Attack - Blue Lines
122 - xxx - xxx - Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
123 - 115 - 171 - The Beatles - Magical Mystery Tour
124 - xxx - 100 - Dusty Springfield - Dusty in Memphis
125 - 136 - xxx - The Velvet Underground - Loaded
126 - xxx - 182 - Interpol - Turn On the Bright Lights
127 - 103 - 137 - Sly and the Family Stone - There's a Riot Goin' On
128 - 90 - 122 - The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
129 - xxx - xxx - Antony and The Johnsons - I Am a Bird Now
130 - 132 - 139 - Ramones - Ramones
130 - 165 - 161 - The Band - Music from Big Pink
131 - 110 - 130 - Neil Young - Harvest
132 - 109 - xxx - Pink Floyd - The Wall
133 - xxx - xxx - Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
134 - 131 - 126 - Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
135 - 162 - 65 - Lou Reed - Berlin
136 - 159 - 56 - Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
137 - 194 - xxx - Bruce Springsteen - Born in the U.S.A.
138 - xxx - 86 - Primal Scream - Screamadelica
139 - 151 - xxx - Elliott Smith - XO
140 - 156 - xxx - The Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
141 - 187 - xxx - David Bowie - Station to Station
142 - 105 - 131 - Sigur Rós - Agaetis Byrjun
143 - xxx - 90 - Kraftwerk - Trans-Europa Express
144 - 98 - xxx - Pearl Jam - Ten
145 - 118 - 193 - Prince and The Revolution - 1999
146 - 99 - 103 - Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
147 - 57 - 20 - Oasis - Definitely Maybe
148 - xxx - xxx - Steely Dan - Aja
149 - 133 - xxx - Joni Mitchell - Court and Spark
150 - 188 - 70 - The Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy
151 - 167 - xxx - Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica
152 - 111 - 55 - Björk - Debut
153 - 180 - 194 - Creedence Clearwater Revival - Cosmo's Factory
154 - xxx - xxx - Daft Punk - Discovery
155 - 164 - 87 - Talking Heads - Fear of Music
156 - 200 - xxx - Nick Drake - Bryter Layter
157 - 144 - 158 - The Kinks - Something Else by the Kinks
158 - 94 - xxx - Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
159 - 177 - 120 - Derek and The Dominos - Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs
160 - xxx - xxx - Michael Jackson - Off the Wall
161 - xxx - xxx - Guns N' Roses - Appetite for Destruction
162 - 139 - xxx - The Who - Tommy
163 - xxx - xxx - Neil Young - Tonight's the Night
164 - 124 - 98 - DJ Shadow - Endtroducing.....
165 - 172 - 89 - Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
166 - 191 - xxx - Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska
167 - 148 - xxx - Sly and the Family Stone - Stand!
168 - xxx - xxx - Pink Floyd - The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
169 - 186 - xxx - Bob Dylan - Desire
170 - xxx - xxx - Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf
171 - 185 - 81 - The Smiths - The Smiths
172 - xxx - xxx - The Knife - Silent Shout
173 - 143 - xxx - Big Star - #1 Record
174 - 114 - xxx - Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
175 - xxx - xxx - TV On The Radio - Dear Science
176 - 152 - xxx - Slint - Spiderland
177 - xxx - xxx - TV on the Radio - Return to Cookie Mountain
178 - xxx - xxx - Bob Marley and The Wailers - Exodus
179 - 198 - xxx - The Shins - Chutes Too Narrow
180 - xxx - 159 - Wire - Pink Flag
181 - 153 - 155 - Eno - Another Green World
182 - xxx - 188 - The Beatles - A Hard Day's Night
183 - 192 - 91 - Carole King - Tapestry
184 - xxx - 138 - Richard and Linda Thompson - I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight
185 - 145 - 44 - Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space
186 - xxx - xxx - Van Morrison - Veedon Fleece
187 - xxx - xxx - Arcade Fire - Neon Bible
188 - xxx - xxx - Blondie - Parallel Lines
189 - xxx - xxx - Elvis Costello and The Attractions - Armed Forces
190 - 150 - xxx - Nas - Illmatic
191 - 184 - 102 - The Cure - Seventeen Seconds
192 - 121 - xxx - The Beach Boys - Surf's Up
193 - 142 - xxx - PJ Harvey - Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea
194 - 163 - xxx - Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not
195 - 197 - xxx - OutKast - Stankonia
196 - xxx - xxx - Vampire Weekend - Vampire Weekend
197 - xxx - xxx - The National - Boxer
198 - xxx - xxx - Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
199 - 122 - 112 - Coldplay - A Rush of Blood to the Head
200 - xxx - xxx - AC/DC - Back in Black

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

Viguen
Sea Change is easily my favorite Beck album. It would hit my top 20 of the decade.

I hope all the guy who have vote for "Sea Change" have also vote for "Histoire de melody Nelson". The model for Sea Change according to Beck himself.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

#83



Pavement – Slanted and Enchanted - (1992)

1320.57 points

AM 3000 rank : 123

Appeared on 21 ballots / 68

Fans: EdAmes #1, Brad # 2, beefsupreme # 7


Moderator:
This album was the victim of my first mistake: I had erased half of its points ! As you can see above, it has its devoted fans but only appear in 21 ballots. Pavement is another favorite among many visitors of this forum and beats his AM score by 50 ranks.

beefsupreme:
Sloppy fuzzed out instrument playing and a singer who’s rambling about a bunch of nonsense. Every once in a while he'll drop a line or two that hits like a ton of bricks ("In the Mouth of a Desert", "Here"). S&E sounds like it was good on accident.

jackson:
It's not the landmark album that followed, but Slanted and Enchanted does appeal with its pure eccentricity. Featuring some of the strangest song titles on any non-Sufjan Stevens or Of Montreal album, Pavement managed to create a consistently catchy brand of indie-rock that's lo-fi without being annoying.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

#82



Jeff Buckley – Grace (1994)

1347.27 points

AM 3000 rank : 87

Appeared on 23 ballots / 68

Fans: VanillaFire1000 #4, Midaso # 24


nicolas:
I remember when this record came out (Iwas 24) my girlfriend fell immediately in love with the singer, but I didn't blame her. I found on the contrary that she had lots of taste, and Buckley was not a big threat. I remember when we parted, I cried alone in my dark room and I listened to Lilac Wine and Hallelujah. And I saw his famous Olympia concert.

jackson:
Unfortunately this would be Jeff Buckley's only studio album, making him one of the greatest 'what-ifs?' in music history. But he put out a record befitting his immense talent, both vocally and musically. His "Hallelujah" cover is without a doubt the definitive version of that standard, but several other songs are just as good: "Grace," "Last Goodbye," and "Lover, You Should've Come Over" in particular. Buckley's voice manages to be moving with virtually every note he hits, and combining this with his unique guitar tone and composition, this record maintains a hauntingly emotional mood throughout.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

nicolas
out of the new top 200 :

REM - Life's Rich Pageant
Gorillaz - Demon Days

in the new top 200 :

AC/DC - Back in Black
Coldplay - A Rush Of Blood To The Head


Boo!

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

#81



Fleet Foxes – Fleet Foxes - 2008

1353.69 points

AM 3000 rank : unranked

Appeared on 22 ballots / 68

Fans: pop elton # 5, Wes # 8, nicolas # 19


Wes:
otherworldly

nicolas:
You could mistake this record for some lost gem recorded in 1969, but no, this is 2008 and these guys are just KIDS. Kids who spent a lot of time listening to their parents’ record collection : CSNY, Simon and Garfunkel, the Beach Boys and Zombies, but also Gregorian chants and Sacred Harp singers. This album celebrates the pleasure of harmony singing, with beautiful, incredible melodies and sounds. And the band is great on stage. By far my favorite 2000s album.

(please go to page 2 for the following

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

#80



The White Stripes - Elephant (2003)

1357.03 points


AM 3000 rank : 92

Appeared on 24 ballots / 68

Fans: BillAdama #9, lagire #5


Moderator:
Just like White Blood Cells, Elephant was on a lot of people’s list but reached two top 20s, which placed it higher than its predecessor.

BillAdama:
Elephant has special meaning to me because it's the album that got me on the internet looking for critic listing sites. In a time I thought great rock music was something past tense, it convinced me there was great new music to look for too.

Jon Marck:
The most playful of the Stripes' albums, “Elephant” sees Jack White fooling with octave pedals, pre-1960's recording equipment and Bacharach tunes. Though this album will always be associated with the monster hit "Seven Nation Army", "Girl, You Have No Faith in Medecine", "Well It's True That we Love one Another" and "In the Cold, Cold Night" are as droll as they are sweet.

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

nicolas

BillAdama:
Elephant has special meaning to me because it's the album that got me on the internet looking for critic listing sites. In a time I thought great rock music was something past tense, it convinced me there was great new music to look for too.


That is indeed quite special!

Re: AMF Top 200 Album poll : the results part III (top 100)

#79



Patti Smith - Horses (1975)

1434.02 points

AM 3000 rank : 22

Appeared on 26 ballots / 68

Fans: antonius #5, BillAdama #10, ramone666 # 19


BillAdama:
Nobody has done anything so angrily and rawly poetic with rock music.

Moonbeam:
Horses presents a beautiful clash of proto-punk musical punch and acute literary sensibilities, rendering it one of the most impressive debuts in rock history.

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#78



Tom Waits – Rain Dogs (1985)

1436.99 points

AM 3000 rank : 119

Appeared on 22 ballots / 68

Fans: nicolas #8, Chevi #14, Michael #19


Moderator
The second album of Tom Waits cabaret trilogy outruns Swordfishtrombones, his most acclaimed record according to the AM 3000.

Honorio:
Waits continued his particular getaway from the smoky jazz that began with “Swordfishtrombones” broadening his musical spectrum. Banjos, marimbas, trombones, weird percussions. Tarantella, country, folk, tango, Weill-style prewar period Cabaret, Beefheart-style Martian blues, Springsteen-style power ballads. And of course, the personal and indefinable Waits style.

Nicolas:
Tom Waits made a big carreer move with Swordfishtrombones. With Rain Dogs, he goes even further in his exploration of everything that made American music : country, jazz, blues, immigrants music from all over Europe. He knows how to alternate chaotic (the three first songs) and more conventional (his moving ballads like Time). And the lyrics make him to my mind the equal of the Boss and Dylan. If you need one Tom Waits, it’s Rain Dogs that takes you deep in the underbelly of the big Apple where Waits the Californian sung for the rain dogs, those who can’t find their way home because the rain has washed the smells away.

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Moonbeam
nicolas

BillAdama:
Elephant has special meaning to me because it's the album that got me on the internet looking for critic listing sites. In a time I thought great rock music was something past tense, it convinced me there was great new music to look for too.


That is indeed quite special!


Actually, that's very interesting because I too had fallen out of love with music for a couple of years. I had always hated MTV and just assumed most new stuff was crap. And then...while flipping through the channels I came across the video for Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground and I was in love again. I thought to myself "He looks like Robert Smith and he screams like Robert Plant; how could this be bad." I remember how curious I was to see if these guys were critically acclaimed. I found out they were--but not quite as much as these other guys the Strokes. I remember discovering bands like My Morning Jacket and Kings of Leon from AM--Kings of Leon, whatever happened to those guys? Oh yeah; they're huge, kinda what the Strokes we're supposed to become.

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Horses is awesome. I've been listening to it a lot lately. It's such a vibrant combination of excellent lyrics, vital melodies and raw energy. The three epics are all deserved classics- "Gloria" with its super-tense buildup, "Birdland" with its intense, colorful and exhaustive mourning and "Land" with its gripping, terrifying tragedy. But songs like "Free Money", "Break It Up" and "Kimberly" are all full of great lyrical stories as well.

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#77




The Sex Pistols - 'Never Mind the Bollocks - Here's the Sex Pistols (1977)

1459.99 points

AM 3000 rank : 9

Appeared on 26 ballots / 68

Fans: Pee Wee #8, pmickey #11, Tim O #18


Moderator:
The first from the AM top 10 to show up. Why does it rank so poorly in comparison ? Maybe because the album has its detractors, who think that it is more important historically than musically valuable. Anyway the Sex Pistols couldn't find a better rank than .. 77 !

Honorio:
Few albums supposed a milestone like this one, marking a line between before and after in pop music history and turning into outdated all that came before. But there’s not only about historical importance, it’s about rage, about confrontation, about a great set of songs played furiously but with an undeniable gift and sung with impoliteness, vitriol and sarcasm by Johnny Rotten.

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Nicolas, thanks for taking the time to post so many albums in quick succession, you're well past your target of 80 for tonight.

Feel free to keep adding through the night

I,m off to my leaba (bed)

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#76



LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver (2007)

1477.56 points

AM 3000 rank : 209

Appeared on 26 ballots / 68

Fans: Nassim #8, nick #12, Brose #21, Moonbeam # 22


Moderator:
One more 2007 album doing great !

Moonbeam:
While I had enjoyed the panache and intellectual foreplay of the eponymous debut record, I in no way expected the sequel to be so emotionally charged and viscerally vital to my being. Sound of Silver, indeed, is an album of many moments. As I have grown older, I have found that it is much more difficult for new music to galvanize my emotions into an uncontrollably fevered pitch. As such, I appreciate such moments much more now at my ripe age of 27. Reviewers are generally taught to strive to give an unbiased appraisal, but I'll be damned if it doesn't delight me to the tips of my toes that an album can generate such a rebirth of wide-eyed, teenage, blind fanaticism that I am rendered helplessly unable to muster any semblance of objectivity. "Sound of silver talk to me, makes you want to feel like a teenager. Until you remember the feelings of a real-live emotional teenager." Sorry James, no need to think again. Full review at http://rateyourmusic.com/collection/Moonbeam/rating8681980

Jackson:
This is the only album released in the last three years that can compete with the best works of the early part of the decade. James Murphy's rapidly maturing lyrics got the attention, but also of note is how he reigned in the extremely long songs of his `05 self-titled album to produce something more listenable. The mix of dance and pop elements makes this album so infectious, and the fantastic lyrics of "Someone Great" and "All My Friends" produce already-classic singles that can compete with anything released in the `00s.

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That will be all for tonight

See you in a new thread tomorrow... I'm turning in !

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nicolas
That will be all for tonight

See you in a new thread tomorrow... I'm turning in !


Thanks for all of your hard work, nicolas! It's great to see Sound of Silver continue to earn its keep!

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really enjoying this! cant wait for next batch. it's hotting up.

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octopus
really enjoying this! cant wait for next batch. it's hotting up.

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I am also a "fan" of Rain Dogs. It was my #15 pick. Just making sure my vote was counted.

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I'm happy to see LCD Soundsystem so high. I'm even happier seeing Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain finishing ahead of Slanted and Enchanted though.

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What's the biggest year range for everyone's list? For example, I have at least one album from every year 1963-2008 in my top 200.

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Paul
I am also a "fan" of Rain Dogs. It was my #15 pick. Just making sure my vote was counted.



Your vote was counted, Paul, I just forgot to mention it

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#100




John Lennon - John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band (1970)

1500.32 points

AM 3000 rank : 57

Appeared on 23 ballots / 68

Fans: David #1, Henrik #2, SR #18


Moderator:
An album that can get very high on some people’s lists, Plastic Ono Band is nevertheless moving down as polls go by : #39 in 2005, 62 in 2008

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I have at least one album from 1963 to 2008 as well, although 1996 doesn't have an album in the top 200 but my list is a top 250 (Murder Ballads, #246). Nick Cave will likely fall out very soon though, making 1996 the only year not represented in my top 250. It is also one of the few years where I have albums I rated 7/10 in the top 10; bad year I guess. The other 3 years where this happens are also in the '90s.. didn't know I disliked the '90s thát much.

Excellent stuff so far nicolas, I know what a tough job it is and you're making far fewer mistakes than I made.

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I take it that Plastic Ono Band is number 75? Cool to see Sound of Silver sandwiched between two giants.

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Oops sorry !

Now i can't edit it !

Of course it is #75

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#75




John Lennon - John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band (1970)

1500.32 points

AM 3000 rank : 57

Appeared on 23 ballots / 68

Fans: David #1, Henrik #2, SR #18


Moderator:
An album that can get very high on some people’s lists, Plastic Ono Band is nevertheless moving down as polls go by : #39 in 2005, 62 in 2008

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no cheating, sworn

#74




Bruce Springsteen – Darkness On The edge Of Town - 1978

1513.57 points

AM 3000 rank : 104

Appeared on 22 ballots / 68

Fans: nicolas #1, Greg #3, Tim O #3, Beans #15


Moderator:
Same as Plastic Ono Band : few ballots, but peak position on 3 lists, the Boss is in great progress in comparison to the last polls : #175 in 2005, #160 in 2008. In a few words : the Rising.

nicolas:
3 years after Born to Run, the boss comes back with a more mature album, stripped of the heavy production of his previous effort. The E Street Band is practically playing live, and the lyrics too are more straightforward. While Born to Run was about dreams of escape, Darkness relates the lives of those who found there was nowhere to go. Great songs about father and son (“Adam Raised a Cain”, probably the most furious Springsteen song ever), working (“Factory” , romantic love and sexual frustration (“Candy’s Room and its orgasmic climax and guitar solo)

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"Darkness" is indeed a fantastic album with a coherent mood to it (as is Nebraska) and with hardly a song on it that is decidedly below average.

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#73




Pavement – Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)

1529.71 points

AM 3000 rank : 265

Appeared on 23 ballots / 68

Fans: schwah #1, Brad #6, EdAmes #12, Jackson #14, John #18


Moderator:
Confirmation, if need be, of the love for Pavement, especially from North American voters of all ages.

Jackson:
This is the sound of a band at their absolute peak: Pavement sounds like they could have accomplished anything they wanted to on this album, and everything they tried was a massive success. From the indie-rock anthem "Cut Your Hair" to the jazz-tinged instrumental "5-4=Unity" (which I would call filler if it wasn't so infectious), there really is no dull moment on Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain. What keeps me coming back is the sense of sincerity and honesty on these songs as well as their general feel-good nature. Pavement seemed to approach this album without the sense of pretentiousness or experimental aims that often drag down indie rock albums, instead focusing on refined song structure and genuine emotional expression.

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I'm surprised at the decline of Never Mind the Bollocks! As you can see, it was #8 on my list.

To me, it is first and foremost a great pop album -- just one supercharged pop song after another. It's bubblegum, but of a very perverse and poisoned kind. It just fires on all cylinders from beginning to end.

Then there's the sheer sneering and snotty attitude of it -- it simply embodies was rock and roll is about. It reminds me of what the (often very annoying) American rock critic Robert Christgau once said when someone challenged the musical quality of a rock album he loved: "It's not music. It's rock and roll". In other words, what makes a lot of great rock records great is not always so much their musical complexity or richness, but their attitude and attack.

And, finally, this is an album that is simultaneously very very funny and deeply disturbing and menacing -- the only album that combines those elements more successfully is the Pixies' Doolittle, which, therefore, ranked even higher on my list.

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Great work, Nicolas. This is a lot of fun.

A question, just out of curiosity: taking 2008 and 2009 albums out of the equation, what's the highest position in this poll for an album not currently listed on the AM top 3000? Last time, if I recall, it was Jellyfish's SPILT MILK, somewhere in the high 300's.

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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't dissapointed that Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain wasn't higher. Maybe it should have been higher on my own list?

To me the album is everything that makes indie rock, only it's much more than that. At the point where I am now in my life, I feel like I can connect so strongly to what Stephen Malkmus is saying. Maybe that's why the band has always been immensely popular among young North American music fans. I think if we did a US/UK/EU breakdown like the AM list does, both the Pavement albums would be much higher.

Also John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band is the first album from my T20 to show up.

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These are all great albums that I should listen to again, but I didn't vote for many of them. Time to re-listen, I guess.

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#72




Elvis Costello – This Year’s Model - 1978

1560.88 points

AM 3000 rank : 72

Appeared on 26 ballots / 68

Fans: otisredding # 7, Peewee #8, Toni # 19


Moderator:
First time an album equals its AM ranking.

BillAdama:
Yeah, screw pop culture! You tell 'em Elvis!

Honorio:
“I don’t wanna kiss you / I don’t wanna touch”. Two verses almost whispered preceding the entrance of the band as a buffalo stampede in “No Action”. The Attractions proved to be the perfect backing band for Elvis Costello and together made the best definition possible of late 70s power-pop: wry lyrics, modernity (in a good sense), smart song-writing, and, of course, powerful playing.

Jonmarck:
The newly formed Attractions would prove Costello's most exciting backing group. The ideas are his but the songs are Steve Nieve and Bruce Thomas', especially "Pump it Up" and "Radio Radio". With punk snarl and Buddy Holly image intact Costello was set to take America (particularly SNL and Steven Stills) by storm.

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#71



The Doors – The Doors - 1967

1571.35 points

AM 3000 rank : 20

Appeared on 26 ballots / 68

Fans: Michael # 11, lagire #13, Nick # 19, Michel # 20


Moderator:
The Doors are not cherished here (see the Survivor game). Below their AM rank, and below their two previous scores : 40 in 2005, 64 in 2008. Still they’re on 26 ballots, but never break any top 10.

Rocky Racoon:
A dark carnival ride of an album, the Doors’ first record still stands as one of the best debuts of all time. It’s a mesmerizing whirlwind of psychedelic rock and Jim Morrison’s tenebrous prose.

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Two days away from a computer, but when I come back I found another wonderful AM list (great work everyone), interesting debates about age and PJ Harvey (1º To Bring You My Love 2º Stories 3º Rid of Me) and a terrific work from Nicolas (don't worry about the mistake, now it's all solved and we're all grateful for the hard work you put on it).

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thanks for your comments !

That will be all for tonight

Sorry that I can't post more than this, but I'll be back in the morning and tomorrow you'll see (at least) the 70-61 section !

Harold, yes, I'll answer your question, but after the results, that for the time being require all my time and attention. There'll be a lot of great stat work to do, and I'll probably need your help (as well as for the unveiling of individual lists).

SR, about Pavement : I guess they're much bigger in America then in Europe. Before coming to AM, I had just one album by them and they are almost unknown in France, except in music nerds' (like us) and indie lovers' circles. Out of "Crooked Rain"'s 23 supporters in the poll, 16 were American or Canadian.

When posting, I'm listening to every album and I really should reconsider my rating of "This Year's Model" and listen to "Crooked rain" (an album I've never heard).

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I was quite reluctant to hear Crooked Rain because I really did not like Slanted and Enchanted and it was quite a good surprise, not enough to be in my top 200 but I can understand why people like it.
I know the indie rock critics consider them as the best band of the 90s, but I enjoy Built to Spill much more; There is nothing wrong with love/Perfect From Now On/Keep it Like a Secret is at least as an interesting evolution as Slanted & Enchanted/Crooked Rain Crooked Rain / Wowee Zowee.

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Oh wow, you have to listen to Crooked Rain Nicolas. A lot people place all of their judgement on Slanted and Enchanted which is considered Pavement's masterpiece but I really don't like that album that much. Crooked Rain is a lot different especially production wise.

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Where's the love for Wowee Zowee? maybe a little harsher & scattered than CRCR, and not as quickly accepted by the critics when it came out, but certainly WZ shows the full range of Pavement's vision, with some of their best songs ("Grounded", "We Dance", "Half A Canyon", "Fight This Generation" to name just a few classics). Give Wowee Zowee another go 'round... this is Pavement's "White Album"!

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SR
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't dissapointed that Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain wasn't higher. Maybe it should have been higher on my own list?

To me the album is everything that makes indie rock, only it's much more than that. At the point where I am now in my life, I feel like I can connect so strongly to what Stephen Malkmus is saying. Maybe that's why the band has always been immensely popular among young North American music fans. I think if we did a US/UK/EU breakdown like the AM list does, both the Pavement albums would be much higher.

Also John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band is the first album from my T20 to show up.


Hey, hey, hey! I'm most likely looking at only 3 of my top 10 making it in the top 200, and only one of those in the top 100!

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The Evolution in AM Forums

2009-2008-2005

71 - 64 - 40 - The Doors - The Doors
72 - 66 - 174 - Elvis Costello - This Year's Model
73 - 82 - xxx - Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
74 - 160 - 175 - Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town
75 - 62 - 39 - John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band
76 - 91 - xxx - LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver
77 - 78 - 77 - Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks - Here's the Sex Pistols
78 - 73 - 57 - Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
79 - 100 - 135 - Patti Smith - Horses
80 - 83 - xxx - The White Stripes - Elephant
81 - xxx - xxx - Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes
82 - 49 - 48 - Jeff Buckley - Grace
83 - 69 - 73 - Pavement - Slanted and Enchanted

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Brad
Where's the love for Wowee Zowee? maybe a little harsher & scattered than CRCR, and not as quickly accepted by the critics when it came out, but certainly WZ shows the full range of Pavement's vision, with some of their best songs ("Grounded", "We Dance", "Half A Canyon", "Fight This Generation" to name just a few classics). Give Wowee Zowee another go 'round... this is Pavement's "White Album"!


you're not alone.. Wowee Zowee was the only Pavement album on my list

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My list goes from 1963-2009.

But my only album earlier than 1965 is James Brown - Live At The Apollo at #113.

Although Sun Sessions and King of the Delta Blues would both be on my list if they qualified, and they were recorded much earlier.

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Looking back at last year's list to see what's left, it would appear that two of the previous poll's top 100 (MTV UNPLUGGED IN NY and MEZZANINE) have fallen out of the new top 200 completely.

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Blue Lines' low placement (130 something) was probably a sign that Mezzanine's future was none too bright. Third also finished completely outside the T200. it looks like at 60, Dummy will be trip-hop's highest representative.