Stephen the car side light version is a Lucas 1130, as fitted to Jags, MG's etc in the 30's. I've made two repro MT 1130's over the years, copied from my original. But I've also come across this article from the Ariel owners club.

http://forum.arielownersmcc.com/viewtopic.php?p=28669#p28669

I'm not aware of a bigger version, although they come in Chrome on Brass or Mazak. (I used the brass ones). The original red lens is rare and hard to find, so for my repros I used special glass paint on the inside of the white glass lens's.

Here is my original MT1130 before I painted it and fitted it to my KC10. The one on the right is my repro on my WC10. Ron



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Many Thanks Mr Pier ,
That will be very useful to Me when I make a start ..hopefully next month when the plaster comes off .
Is the longer version correct for My needs please ?

Very difficult to tell from the article ?

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Well as I said, I wasn't aware that there is a longer version? My thinking is that a 1130 is a 1130. Anything else would have a different number.....I think:thinking_face: I'll measure mine tomorrow to confirm. Ron

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I think you're correct Ron.

If you want to convert a car side light to a BSA / Ariel motorcycle tail light, you need a chrome on brass body, not the later zamac version. And it should have a red opaque logo.

The original tutorial was published in the Birmingham to Berlin blog, which has long gone. But I copied the important details...

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That is correct Jan. The Logo shines red as a tell tale. I've bought repros from Vintage Supplies but I don't see them there now?
https://www.vintagecarparts.co.uk/products/516medal-lucas-type-lamp-badge-medallion

I used two coats of this glass paint on the inside of the white lens for the repro lamps I made, as I've never found a suitable alternative Ruby lens. Ron

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Thank You Ron ,
Yes both sizes are marked up MT1130 !
Other than size they are identical ..Im guessing the larger one is correct ?

Thank You in advance,
Steve ..

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Thank You Jan ,
The pair I have here are chrome plated brass but 2 different sizes ?
The larger one from end 2 end including lens is 5"approx .
The smaller one is 4 & 1/4" from end to end approx ..Im struggling measuring accurately as My wrist is in plaster .

The diagrams show all the dimensions except the overall size ?
I am trying to guage this against the authors hand but it could go either way ?

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Stephen the length of my original and subsequent repros is 4 1/4". And Jan has the correct number plates. Ron

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Thank You Mr Pier .

I will work on the smaller one then .
I assume the 41/4" is from pointed tip to the front of the lens ?
Jan has been in touch .

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Yes Steve the overall length is 4 1/4" The other one would be far too big. But you should try and retrieve the red plastic "tell Tale" badge. Ron

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Thank You ,
I aim to preserve the red "tell tail" pendant .
I cant even open the body up yet as I cant close My fingers around a screwdriver ..I know all the internals are present on all 3 lamps but dont know how the pendant is attached into the body yet ?

Just had a thought (rare) but how would You be able to see the "tell tail" ..is way out of vision on the bike I think ?

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"Just had a thought (rare) but how would You be able to see the "tell tail" "

Unless you have a neck like an owl. It will remain one of life's mysteries! Ron

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If anyone is interested

I have 2 bodies
1 x mazac
1 x chromed brass
1 x white Lens
1 x painted red white Lens
1 x mint original red Lens
Some repro lucas red top pennants
1 x nos Lucas red pennant
Some Lens securing screws in st steel I think

These are surplus to my requirements at this time - would prefer to unload as a lot - swaps considered

Br
Jo’b

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Are all the bodies the same length ?

I think so Rik

Can check tomorrow when at the container

Br
Jo’b

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Hi chaps,

FYI Retro Ignition in the Uk sell repro red tell tales for the 1130 light. £8.36 + VAT.

https://www.lucasignition.com/product/lucas-type-red-dot-for-1130-sidelamps/