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Re: Factory repro...

From Doctor Who

I have greatly enjoyed this discussion so far. Admittedly some heat raised but nonetheless it's good to have all these different opinions and what Nathan ends up with will be fun and interesting for everyone and we can all have our opinions, strong and otherwise about it.

However I do need to advise everyone, I've just come back from a quick trip to Dunkirk circa May 1940 and my companions have kindly lugged a whole load of WD bikes on board the Tardis. Before you ask, NO they are not for sale but I can assure you that they are all totally genuine and some are from 1939 and even before that i think.

I may be setting up a museum at some point, but not sure which planet or solar system to locate it on, but will advise the specialist press.

all best your chum Dr Who (Ms)

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"I imagine you meant it was original parts but not an original bike?... "

exactly that.

G3 frame with teles, wrong guards for contract all that sort of thing, but it looked the part, and got featured in Classic bike.

back then,1970ish no one really cared about fine detail, and there was no incredibly knowledgeable Dutch guy around.

Its still going well in the hands of its new owner despite being a rivet counters dream.

I often regret selling it, but it was the right thing to do.

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It is not often I land on my feet but as I own the prototype Royal Enfield V Twin EXKX which was submitted for evaluation during WW2 as a potential replacement for the SWD Norton Big 4 - the machine having been returned to the Royal Enfield factory and sold to a Royal Enfield employee in 1946 then you might care to consider this machine which is unique in many areas as genuine.

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I have been involved in registering quite a few vehicles over the last 33 years. Not just my own but also for many years as the Dorset area inspector on behalf of the MVT Verification officer.

The criteria laid out in recent years by DVLA is that the vehicle should be a certain percent of the original vehicle or period parts. For instance they won't accept a repro body tub on a Jeep.....(If they know about it).

The answer as Ian suggests is to present them for any inspection with a fully restored "Original" vehicle. I'd also be cautious about using the word 'restored' ........Repainted sound better. Ron

email (option): ronpier@talk21.com

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['I'd also be cautious about using the word 'restored'..']...

Yes, Ron is definitely correct there, 'Loose lips sink ships' (and bikes)...Terminology is important, what you mean by using a particular word may not carry the same meaning when presented to the DVLA...and what is said can't be unsaid...Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

Re: Factory repro...

As far as I can make out from reading all this waffle, which seems mostly to be about your OCD expensive parts buying, what will you have at the end? a bit of an old bike with lots and lots of new parts hung off it.

I cannot see the point of the exercise,all it has done is upset some people who have been a mine of information and help to others.

I no longer have a WD bike, let alone an M20, but I still read on here as there is often pertinent info I can use for my other bikes.

personally I think you should just piss off.

Being a cynic I also suspect this bike if ever finished will be advertised with a stupid price and a bullshit blurb about how good it is.

Don't answer you spent more on it than it will be worth, there are a ton of mugs out there with too much disposable.

In some remote part of the empire we once had I am willing to bet there is a store with a greased up brand spanking new M20, better to have searched for that.

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Yes Ken, rude post picking on Nathan again......

Why all this constant picking on Nathan and his project?, let him go, he clearly knows what he wants...... And if you don't like it just skip it...

I think you also owe Ian an apology, Ken.... Can't imagine comparing his debate he had here above to former VMCC discussions where to walk away from did any good......

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I think everyone is understandably a bit on edge these days and with more time than usual to spend on social media forums such as this, things can get testy.

But, Nathan, I have to point out that while your project is interesting, you have recently come to very much dominate this forum. You only joined on February 2nd of this year and yet you've commented 340 times in 117 days. There are others who've been here for years and their total comments are much less. Ian joined in 2009 and has in excess of 10,000. That's an average of 2.5 per day, less than your 2.9 per day. All of us here would agree both are prolific but the amount of help and concrete information Ian has provided over that decade has been invaluable. He's indirectly helped me many times because I've searched the forum and found an answer he gave someone else in 2014 that I needed last month. You, a very new member, on the other hand are, mostly, simply sharing your latest procurements. (as for myself I joined in 2016 and I have a grand total of 62 comments but I nevertheless read the forum daily).

I understand your enthusiasm and desire to share. Maybe if you began your own blog that you updated daily where we could follow you with interest it might be a better place. I see you're also on the Facebook page 'BSA WDM20 The Cult Single'. Share your finds there and reserve this for questions you have?

There are many unspoken rules when navigating an online forum such as this. One of them is know when to slow it down and another is respect the senior members. Your intensity is admirable but may have blinded you a little. Don't 'piss off' but maybe step it back a little? I don't speak for anyone else, this is just my own observation.

email (option): moatjon [ at ] aol.com

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I swear like a trooper, but I quite agree. Swearing at other posters really isn't justified on here and will only make the atmosphere worse.

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Nathan- "I've been using online forums since 2005, I'm no stranger to threads like this."

That's admirable. I was moderating listserves in the early 1990s.

Nathan- "I think this feeds into egos and jealousy/envy, people don't like it when someone does something better than they do."

Or maybe... it's something else? Think about how you characterized that. Really. How do you think it sounds to others? In my experience, when a member of a forum is constantly defending themself there's a reason it keeps happening. Reading social cues are hard enough face to face. Online it takes a lot of extra effort to understand, empathize, how your comments are being received. No need to be defensive Nathan, this isn't an attack, it's my observation.

email (option): moatjon [ at ] aol.com

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Like many of us, I've known Ian for a long, long time.....he's a fantastic bloke with a rarely-rivaled mechanical and engineering skill-set going back decades. He's always willing to assist anyone along the way and share his massive knowledge of motorcycles and related things....he's also a pillar of integrity and speaks his mind....he also has an incredible wry sense of humour that some may not initially comprehend......

I guess Ian's having a well-earned break from things....like everyone else, he has a life and other interests away from this Forum and motorcycles......taking a step back sometimes is a dignified way of managing things....

Some of us may remember a time when Ian wasn't on this Forum at all, largely because he didn't have a computer (let alone a television)...the Forum has certainly become a better place with Ian's input and contributions.....

I'm pretty certain that Ian will be back in his own good time and I wouldn't mind betting that he's having a good read and chuckle of this Forum in the meantime.....and on that basis keep well and safe mate ! Steve

Re: Factory repro...

Ian Wright
It appears you can build a machine up now from verified parts and get an age related number if you jump through all the right hoops......It seems the changes at the DVLA are constant as this certainly was not the case previously...I'd check the whole thing thoroughly before you start...Below is a partial extract from the DVLA website...Note the section about reproduction parts, though I'd assume that only applies to more major components so may not affect you ...

I'm still intrigued as to whether you will regard the end result of this project as 'original', a 'replica' a 'facsimile' a 'lookalike' etc. and what you mean by the description you use....Ian


Get an age-related registration number...

DVLA can only recognise your vehicle as a reconstructed classic vehicle if it meets certain criteria. It must be:
•built from genuine period components from more than one vehicle, all over 25 years old and of the same specification as the original vehicle
•a true reflection of the marque

The appropriate vehicle owners’ club for the vehicle type (‘marque’) must inspect the vehicle and confirm in writing that it:
•has been inspected
•is a true reflection of the marque
•is comprised of genuine period components all over 25 years old

They must also give manufacture dates for the major components.

DVLA will assign an age-related registration number to the vehicle based on the youngest component used.

New or replica parts

Your vehicle will not get an age-related registration number if it includes new or replica parts. DVLA will give your vehicle a ‘Q’ prefix registration number. Your vehicle must pass the relevant type approval test to get a ‘Q’ prefix registration number...
Now that's an interesting thing to know, I wasn't aware of the possibility to get the advantages of an actual historical vehicle for a modern reproduction of it! That opens a whole new field of possibilities...

email (option): czp02270tr@yahoo.com

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DVLA are mainly concerned about frame numbers, that being original and correct is essential to get an age related reg. They are well aware that any vehicle that's 80 years old has been maintained through out those years, so is unlikely to be the same parts it left the factory with. It looks like they've put a minimum age of 25 years on these parts. There are certain parts that have to be correct for that bike. I think wheel hubs (you can change the rims), forks etc, if these parts are newly made, you run the risk of getting a Q plate.

email (option): horror@blueyonder.co.uk

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