Does someone here has any info on this cross on the tanks?, division?, colours? could the background be red ??



TIA, Michiel

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Hi Michiel

It could be 38th (Welsh) Division, the cap badge looks like Royal Welch Fusiliers, formed summer 1939 as a second line Territorial Army Division and was part of Home Forces, A yellow cross of St David on a black shield on a khaki background, although the background may have only been on the cloth badge?

Rob

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Thank you Rob!

Yes it is hard to see but on second look it could indeed be a shield instead of a square.

I was asking because I have this tank with a red square in about the same position:



Also the C number is very close to the one on this tank - C4344630 - so I thought it had to be the same sign, but probably not, the background of the cross also looks too dark to be red....

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Something with a red background, there are probably quite a few of those to choose from, is that German field grey as a top coat?

Rob

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my 1941 WM20 has a number very close to that 435####

I always wondered how the c number were calculated. is there a "formula"

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With most motorcycle makes, the C numbers for each contract are calculated in order of frame numbers. I have learnt however that Velocette didn't bother to follow this procedure to the letter!

Ron

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BSA's first wartime contract was all over the place, but the system did improve and from contract S1048 onwards, serials commencing C5115218, Frames WM20 81818, the two last digits corresponded. This would have been around May 1943.

Michiel, where did your tank come from ? I assume that it starts C4344*** ? I had hoped that we could reduce the choice to BEF formation signs but this bike must have been delivered later than August 1940. If it was in German hands, then Most likely ex-Greece. I've not heard of them bringing vehicles back from North Africa.

Do you mean this patch of paint , Rob?



I don't know how German field grey exactly looks like but could well be as it is most likely a captured bike.

Rik, this tank comes from a bike which was on the forum a few months ago. In that thread you also suggested it could be captured in Greece.



Collected near Chemnitz close to the Tsjech border.

C number is C4344630, I calculated WM20-28038, [Cas, you need the list in the back of the book of Orchard & Madden]

I just ordered the book with formation badges of Howard Cole but any suggestions about that red square would be great!

Thanks, Michiel

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