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Germans with captured BSA M20

I bought this picture last week, I assumed it was a captured British Army machine but having showed it to a couple of people it was suggested it could be a pre war civilian machine, any thoughts?

Rob

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Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

Thats strange i have a M20 from a frend in Germany who have the same speedo meter sprocket on the left side. Never seen this one before. I can not post pictures on this site.

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Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

So strange i have a M20 from my German frend who have the same speedo meter sprocket on the left side.

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Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

Is that a rubber saddle? The Empire Star knee grips are also a pre war civy thing. Ron

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Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

The Army had a batch of some 1500 M20s in 1939 being KM 20s rather than WM20s + two other contracts for KM 20s totalling around another 800 machines.

Those machines I believe took the speedo drive from the brake plate side unlike the WM20 series which took the speedo drive from the other side of the front wheel. The cover plate over the top of the front engine plates is something which I believe was only applied to the pre-war and very early WM20s. The KM20s and early WM20s also had rubber mounted handle bars, rubber knee grips and rubber footrests finished with a large steel washer. By the way the knee grips are a BSA pre-war pattern.

I think what we have here is a captured military M20 probably a KM20 which has received a German speedo measuring Km/hour as opposed to mph and recording distance travelled in Km rather than miles and to do this they have improvised a new speed drive and speedo mounting with a German instrument.

Could of course be wrong.

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Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

It also seems to have an early bottom plate under the engine.

Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

The M20 was accepted for military use in 1936/7 so I would think some early examples went to France with the BEF....They were quite different to the more common type we all know and shared few mechanical parts as well as having a different frame...Ian

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Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

Nice!, and yes, must be a military M20 deLuxe. A civilian deLuxe would have had a panel tank.

Think it is a 1940 WM20 as the floatchamber is on the outside of the bike. From what i know the 1939 KM's all had long reach floatchambers on the inside.

BR Michiel

Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

Picture of the wheel from the M20 which Theo is working on:

IMG-3409

Could be the similar bike as in the picture !!???

Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

That is interesting, not seen one of those before, how does it attach, is it onto the spokes?

Rob

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Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

If it has 53 tooth, and lozenge shaped nuts, then it's a Cowey type speedo drive from the 20's or 30's.

Will upload a picture in a minute.





I'm still looking for a smaller (4-4,5" dia.) sprocket, with 52 tooth, if anyone has anything like that?



Cheers,

Lex

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Cowey Model B Speedo

Hi - I was trying to identify which bike a Cowey Model B speedo would have come from when I happened across your thread. I found (a rather tatty) one of these with drive gears and gearbox in my father's garage.
I believe his dad had a Scoot, and my dad had a Francis Barnet, a B31 and a Comet, but all of those seem a bit new to have had the Cowey fitted.

Where would be the best place to try and sell this so that it goes to someone who would make good use of it?

Thanks
Chris

P.S how do I upload pictures here - I can't find an option .

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Re: Cowey Model B Speedo

Wehrmacht Div. marking for the 71st. Infantry Division (Clover leaf..'Kleeblatt')...

In France 1940/41. Russia late 41, Belgium early 42, Russia for Barbarossa...Stalingrad...Reconstituted post Stalingrad...Italy '44, Destroyed at Monte Cassino, remnants captured in Austria '45..Ian

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Re: Cowey Model B Speedo

Hi
I have a similar drive that came with other parts, when I bought my bike.

It came with a sprocket and smiths speedo in kilometres per hour.
I hadn’t been able to find what it originally came off.

E538-DF62-8-FE0-49-AE-9-CB7-D9575-D72-EA3-C

C0-BCF44-E-5012-4-F2-C-BDB2-E125190-DED5-A

5-A5-FFFE9-A7-F3-43-B0-89-ED-6-B5068900-ACE

If anybody know what this is off, it would be interesting.

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Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

Hi, I have a 1949 ZM20 and my speedo cable is connected to the gearbox I would send photos but can not work how to download them

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Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

That would be correct for a '49 model which had the drive taken from the gearbox after the change to telescopic forks in 1948..Ian.

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Re: Germans with captured BSA M20

Correct my bike has the telescopic forks

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