As I said earlier, you need to forget about the Saturday at Netley and treat it as the Friday only for punters. You have to allow the traders to set up on Thursday ready and you can't stop traders buying from each other. That's how it's been all the years I've gone. So if you want to get in early, get a traders ticket. I've only been to Beaulieu once and there were no parts at all for my bike. It's ok for old tools and autobilia and I probably won't go again, but a lot of people enjoy it so each to there own. The bottom line is if you don't like it don't go, then you've got nothing to moan about :-)

email (option): horror@blueyonder.co.uk

What have Mortons done wrong?

Where shall I start?

No, I won't bother.

As for spending over 10k on bikes my days for that are long gone, I'm selling off not buying, but I reckon £10 to look at a sale when I paid 10 quid to get in is a piss take.



"What is killing it is traders who leave during the first day to go to Beaulieu...I've even seen some leave on the evening of the set up day in the past, before the show even opens to the general public..."

There you have it,strip the place of any good stuff, then offer it at Beaulieu.

Thats what killed it, and with the connaivance of Mortons, why not stipulate a specific time to stay on site? but they got their site rent, why care?

The first years were great atmosphere, a good hunting ground for all types of gear and people pleased to get a bike only sale away from Beaulieu.

Early entry at Beaulieu £75... to buy the kit from Netley?

I stopped going to Netley two years ago. Even going on a Friday the Traders were leaving before mid day. If the Traders find Beaulieu more interesting so be it, but don't con the public into coming on a Saturday. So many of my friends who have gone on a Saturday have given up on it. As has been said Netley will die through greed and lack of interest. Just my thoughts.

I may be looking at this to simply, but why does Beaulieu and Netley have to be the same weekend. I know it's for the convenience of the traders. As they are not playing the game move it for the benefit of the paying public without whom there would be no jumbles.

These are probably still for all their faults two of the best jumbles of the year, as time pass's its not really a surprise that there is less parts of our period to find.

Complaining won't bring back the good old days so go or don't go its your choice.

This year it wasn't convenient for me to do more than a one day visit and I chose Beaulieu even though I have always found more parts at Netley, I still think its about my favourite day of the year.

Rob

email (option): robmiller11(a)yahoo.co.uk

I agree, simple complaining achieves nothing..(unless, perhaps, complaints are made to the organisers)...

However, it's interesting to discuss the (ever changing) old bike and jumble scene and to try to determine which way it's all going...If you happen to run a business in that area such observations are essential to determine on going actions!

Personally I've always taken a great interest in the general scene and have seen the failure of the British industry, the rise of the Japanese, the resurgence of H.D. and the European manufacturers and the beginnings of the influence exerted by far eastern manufacturers such as India and China..

Then there's the emergence of the classic scene, the 70's chopper craze, the dominance of the sports bike, the arrival of 'biker clubs', the appearance of large jumbles and then e bay, the general change from transport to leisure use, not to mention rafts of legislation governing the way bikes are built and used...

The current dilemma surrounding the long term survival of many jumbles (have you noted the reduction in the number of smaller jumbles lately) and the slow decline of printed publications (when did you last buy a spare part from Old Bike Mart?) can be found as much in the way spares are sold as in how and when jumbles are organised...

I can assure everyone here that as a trader over the last couple of decades I have found that just about ALL jumbles are suffering from declining attendance and 'turnover', not just Netley....

Another thing that is looming as well and which is already having an effect...The generational change. The fact is that no one under the age of around 60 was likely to have started their motorcycling on a British machine and it makes me wonder just how much interest there will be in these once all the old duffers such as myself have departed...

I already know some younger 'old bike' enthusiasts who just can't understand why I want to own a 'technically inferior' British bike...

Then there's the pending (2030 or so) change to an all electric vehicle world...Food for thought?...Enjoy your old bike while you can...Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

Very well put Ian.

Except for one thing.

Complaining to the organisation of Morton/Nash defines banging ones head on a wall.

2030?
we'll see. Its a sop to the car hating green lobby.

wandering a bit of the topic but..........

Those big container ships carrying 20,000 containers of chinese made goods round the world will need some very big batteries to push them along, and we won't even go into the filth pumped into the air by planes, or India or China coal fired industry etc.

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

"Just to point out the degree of paranoia of the most virulent detractors of the DIESEL vehicle, it is necessary to reveal to them the data of the maritime industry which has demonstrated that, considering the size of the engines and the quality of the fuel used, the 15 largest Cargo ships pollute as much as the entire 760 million cars of the planet.
You know, those container ships that feed us with products that were manufactured in our offshore plants, today they each burn 10,000 tons of fuel for a round trip between Asia and Europe.
These unfortunate 15 ships are part of a fleet of 3,500, to which must be added the 17,500 tankers which make up the whole of the 100,000 ships that criss cross the oceans.
To avoid leaving the maritime domain, let us recall that the French yachting fleet is about 500,000 units, including 5,000 yachts over 60 meters in length.
The average of these burns about 900 litres of fuel in just one hour, while the 24% of French households that heat with oil with fuel have difficulty to fill their tank for the winter.
To continue on the path of paranoid schizophrenia, let us take into account the whole fleet and the 4.7 million heavy goods vehicles in transit across France, the thousands of planes that ply the sky and whose consumption per passenger per km travelled is 3 times more harmful to the climate than the automobile. "

Nobody said Government policy was based on logic.. ..Ian

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