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BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Is there someone who van help me on some pictures or
A direction that the T100 was used by the BEF or the ATA
Regards
Bram

email (option): bram@ockhuizen.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

No official WO contracts for Tiger 100's. but some were certainly impressed/conscripted. Shame to do that to such a lovely bike though, especially if it has no genuine military history. Or is it a complete fake bike by throwing away a 6S engine Ron


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email (option): ronpier@talk21.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Hi Ron, its made from a sepperated TF frame of a T100
And bids from a 6S donor . The main parts of that are going
to Edwin. The T100 will stay in its original colors.
Bud I thought seeing a picture of it somewere
Regards
Bram

email (option): bram@ockhuizen.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

But the forks on a T100 are the heavyweight ones, not found on the 6S I thought?? and a lot more differences.

Cheers,

Lex

email (option): welbike@welbxxx.net

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

No Lex. The 6S forks are the heavyweight forks and as such are worth at least 2 1/2 grand. It's why people use the 6S engine as a mooring anchor and fit a twin or Tiger 90 engine. The AA along with others used the 6S as a side car tug. Ron

email (option): ronpier@talk21.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

You are EXACTLY right, Ron. But, of course, you knew that.

Bruce Cooper
Houston

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Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Hi Ron
Wath your saying of a fake bike is when you only switsh the engine.
The difference for a Tiger to a 6S are a loth!
A other front frame with a other angle of the headstock
Different forklinks, oiltank, benzine tank, mudguards
And the 6S has frames with TH numbers and T100
Are with TF stamped.
Bud I was only asking some pictures or documentation

Regards
Bram

email (option): bram@ockhuizen.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Thanks for explaining that Bram. I am aware that the headstock angles altered and therefore also the petrol tank shape was changed to clear the forks from hitting the tank. and that fork side check springs were fitted to some models. Depending on the year of manufacture 38-39-40 there were quite a few changes. In 1939 for instance the same frame was used for the 6S, Tiger 90 and Speedtwin. The Tiger 100 did have a different frame. Ron

email (option): ronpier@talk21.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Here's a picture of the one on our campsite at Normandy, the bloke says it's genuine but who knows. Either way, it's a very nice bike

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email (option): horror@blueyonder.co.uk

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

That one is a Speedtwin Horror. Only two of those ever ordered by the War Office. Obviously more were impressed also.......So yes....Who knows? Ron

email (option): ronpier@talk21.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Yes I have seen it, its a speed twin bud with a T100 tank on it.
have had some pictures from Arnaud will try to post them.
In the mean time if someone has some pics please post them.
regards,
Bram

email (option): bram at ockhuizen dot com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Here the picture from Arnaud.
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email (option): bram at ockhuizen dot com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

I haven't found any more Tiger 100's yet. But here is another Speedtwin with the Royal Navy. There is also a picture of an officer riding one in the Middle east I think, but I can't find it right now. Ron
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A regiment for the Kings guard had some.

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And Malcolm Campbell liked them.

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email (option): ronpier@talk21.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Thanks Ron,

Here a other one don't know wath the regiment is see something on the tank ?
Maby someone knows.
regards,

Bram


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email (option): bram at ockhuizen dot com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

It says RASC = Royal Army Service Corp

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Not sure if this is captured or impressed but it is the only one I had...

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Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Hi Bram

The regiment is Royal Army Service Corps (R.A.S.C.)

Regards

Andy

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Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Hi all, RASC is NOT a Regiment, but a Corps, so way bigger!!!

Cheers,

Lex

email (option): welbike@welbxxx.net

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Here's some more I'm sure they are Speedtwins again. Ron

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email (option): ronpier@talk21.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

And the fated 3TW. Which Triumph still referred to as a Speedtwin. Most were lost during the bombing of the factory in the Coventry Blitz of 1940. Ron

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email (option): ronpier@talk21.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

I thought we were getting somewhere with discussing the darker side of this conversion, not discussing the posted pictures??? (have some more of the prototypes)

Cheers,

Lex

email (option): welbike@welbxxx.net

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

If there were only about 2 WD Speedtwins how is there are row of them..? What's the difference between a Speedtwin and a Tiger 100..?

email (option): horror@blueyonder.co.uk

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Horror I think most of these were impressed bikes. Quite a few thousand of these and some are shown on the last two pages of O&M.... But no real record details kept, I think.

In civy terms the Speedtwin was usually all-over Amaranth Red/chrome with normal Triumph pea shooter silencers and was given an estimated top speed of 90mph (along with the equivalent 500cc single Tiger 90) The Tiger 100 (100mph) and the T90 were Black and Silver/chrome as standard ( although different choices were available). The T100 had the megaphone silencers. Not much to choose visually between the twins once painted green of course, other than the different shaped tank and silencers.

Lex I think it's quite an interesting subject and wouldn't mind any other pictures you'd like to share. Ron

email (option): ronpier@talk21.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Here's some pictures of the Triumph 3TW at Beaulieu. I also took pictures of the prototype Royal Enfield but I don't want to upset anyone by going too far off topic

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email (option): horror@blueyonder.co.uk

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Thanks for the pictures!!

Horror, differences of a speed twin to a T100 are as follow as far I know:

Different front frame with a different headstock angle
Different fork links shorter
Bigger benzine tank
Bigger oil tank
And for the engine there are different cams in it for more power
you can compare that as about the same with the Matchless cams
the H Cams have more power and speed as the normel one.

regards,

Bram

email (option): bram at ockhuizen dot com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Thanks Bram, I notice in the picture with the men running to the bikes, there is a "C" number on the number plate. Is this readable on the original picture? There's 14-18 Triumphs there and I'm guessing if they have a "C" number they're not impressed/conscripted civvie bikes..?

email (option): horror@blueyonder.co.uk

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

The crankcase and barrels are different castings on the Speed Twin and the T100. The stud layout is different.
So it's not just a case of 'faking up' a T100 by fitting a Speed Twin with higher compression, cams and bigger valves etc...Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Thanks Ian,

Yes its the bike is in most parts different! Here a picture with a Scottish soldier the army outfit I like it the most!

regards,

Bram

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email (option): bram at ockhuizen dot com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Hi Bram

It seems more likely that the Triumph is with one of the British Soldiers nearer the bike?

Do you know where the picture was taken?

Rob

email (option): robmiller11(a)yahoo.co.uk

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

This was one of my scans. Attributed to the 2nd BEF and probably around Cherbourg during June 1940, the photo isn't credited in my source so presumably from a private collection.

If the Albion ? truck in the background is indeed displaying '64' then it would indicate 1 GHQ Signals.

Ron suggested on another forum that it has Speed Twin silencers.

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

I never realised there were so many WD Triumph twins used, the lucky few.

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Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Another captured twin. Again I think it's a Speedtwin. Ron

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Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Jeez, Ron, where do you find all that stuff!!??

Cheers,

Lex

email (option): welbike@welbxxx.net

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

I have a very good friend in the Netherlands who has a German name... Herr Schmidt! I think he has insider Informationen. Ron

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Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Question, does someone nows the man with the speed twin? he was also in Oosterbeek last weekend with someone else also on a speed twin?
regards,

Bram

email (option): bram at ockhuizen dot com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

I saw those Triumphs on a film of the 30 Corps commemoration run. Rather taking liberties with history, I fear.

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Your Right Rik, bud its not impossible ! And they drive very nice.
Bud do you know who were on those Speed twins? ore someone else??

regards,

Bram

email (option): bram at ockhuizen dot com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Bram, sorry, no idea who they were...and I do consider it impossible that any part of 2nd Army could have taken obsolete five year old impressed motorcycles with no spares back-up to NW Europe in 1944. The Triumph factory was destroyed in 1940 so no parts had been available for four years...

As I understand it, the 30 Corps trip was intended to be accurate down to the woollen underpants.

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

I've seen some hair raising science fiction stuff in the parades!! 1950's jeeps, Russian 50's trucks, Dutch postwar markings, etc. etc. So far for the 100% 1944 looks!! did not check anyones woollies, was too warm for that

Cheers,

Lex

email (option): welbike@welbxxx.net

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

From the Daily Mail website (taken at Ginkel this year) :-

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Anyone we know ?

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Yes, "opa" Lex and Patrick, who owns an M20.

Cheers,

Lex

email (option): welbike@wel•••.net

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Yes thay dreaming of my 16H yust beside of them

Regards
Bram

email (option): bram@ockhuizen.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Opa Lex is certainly having no nightmares over how to start his Brough!!

Cheers,

Lex

email (option): welbike@welbxxx.net

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Hello all,
Still like to be in contact with the owners of the Speed Twins that
Where in Normandy and Arnhem.
If somebody knows please leth me know
Regards
Bram

email (option): bram@ockhuizen.com

Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Another poor old Speed Twin being badly threated by the thieving bastards.

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Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

Ron Pier
No official WO contracts for Tiger 100's. but some were certainly impressed/conscripted. Shame to do that to such a lovely bike though, especially if it has no genuine military history. Or is it a complete fake bike by throwing away a 6S engine Ron


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Some clues on the early war impressed Triumph twins...note the rapid overpaint in khaki, evident by the drips on the exhaust system !.....If we look at the C-numbers on these bikes pictured (the row just above Catalogue Ref 10) we can see that they are "impressed" from the range of numbers allocated by the RAOC (and there's a fair few numbers !)..............The book shown is a 1944 dated RAOC census document (since reprinted by Rob Van Meel) but this is a numbered original covering all "B" vehicles ("soft-skins").......

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There is also a reference to Triumph twins in this early war (1941) publication by the motorcycle press......it's rather useful and was seemingly officially issued with the support of the War Office...............note the comments regarding the initial supply of Triumph twins, many of which went to France with the BEF and were subsequently lost, although in fairness it seemed that a fair few remained in the UK...........incidentally, this publication also covers the BSA WB30 engine and gearbox, Velo's and Enfield's too, so worth getting a copy if you can.......it's well illustrated with line drawings..........

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Re: BEF / ATA pictures Triumph Tiger T100

And whilst the Motor Cycle article refers specifically to the Speed Twin, again, it does not exclude the Tiger 100 also impressed in some numbers...........

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