looks like an m21??

a very ambitious project ha ha ha


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Who is the lunatic that told him it's salvageable?... ..Ian

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ha ha ha

MIGHT get fork stanctions, top and bottom yokes, con rod????
maybe if your lucky ha ha

potentially a frame number??

theres some good wires sticking out from the tank that could be used maybe

Hi,O ye of little faith,Its got eleven bidders on it already ,someone has seen something worth having

email (option): richardholt@rocketmail.com

A garden ornament...It'll look nice with a bit of ivy growing over it and a robins nest in the headlamp shell.. [ ..Ian[ ]

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A couple of zero-feedback bidders who have only ever bid with this seller are pushing the auction up each time...

If the number is readable and photographable, then the buyer will probably try to gain an age related number (there's no MOT needed now, is there ?) and then simply transfer the identity to a bobber or a flat-tanker.

He'll need an MOT for first registration..insurance..some photos of the completed bike, a dating certificate and a vehicle inspection...It should be easy... ...Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

According to VMCC and other authorities. No MOT required, even for first registration. But the other criteria are even more scrutinised. Ron

email (option): ronpier@talk21.com

It was sold for £183

email (option): jeepfinger@blueyonder.co.uk

Hi bought and i am restoring this ambitious project i have repaired the rear section of frame and purchased a new engine and gearbox

email (option): steveharley4@btinternet.com

Hi Steve,

Some photo's of the restoration would be great.

Thanks,
Henk

email (option): ahum@quicknet.nl

Hi henk

i will put some photos of the frame on the furom in the next couple of days

best regards

steve

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Looking forward to see the progress. I have seen photos of an other BSA being restored that had been buried also for a very long time.

Henk

email (option): ahum@quicknet.nl

I think 'replaced' rather than 'restored' might be a better description for a lot of it...

I 'replaced' one that had been bought back from Egypt...Basically it was f****d and I had to replace most of it... ...

In the end I replaced so much I wondered if I might have been better off cutting out the purchase and just building one out of parts...

I think NigelP is currently part way through a 'replacement' of most of a Triumph 3HW.... Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

Oh yes, been through this type of 'restoration' before - a CB160 I 'rebuilt' for CRMC road racing - found in the bottom of a wet ditch!

I know from experience that restoration jobs like this cost a relative fortune as its the little bits that add up (wheel building £4-500 ?) and are rarely economic.
And should only be done if there is some other reason - historic intrest, garden ornament, etc.

Oxy is a very necessary part of a rebuild like this + a good shot-blaster.

Biggest problem will be the condition, internal and external of the frame tubes - although substantial on the BSA (use hydraulic tubing - its nearer to correct thickness) they will still be very questionable.
You have already done some re-tubing - what are the forks like ?

I have shot-blasted frame parts where not even the lugs were re-usable!

As for the engine - that's the easy bit!
I still have many gallons of petrol/diesel mix (don't ask) in a plastic tank - which I simply dump heavily corroded engines into - and leave for months until I have an unpainted rolling chassis.


As Ian says - I am currently rebuilding a 3HW - luckily the front frame hoop was very sound, the rear frame needed completely re-tubing.
It required 3 attempts to get it all true, using a crude frame jig.
The forks - I spent money on NOS forks/spring from Greece - the links are still Indian but are easily made (this winter when she is rolling).
The rear wheel was re-usable
The front wheel - pringle shaped with welded in bearings (??) - but I can coax it true enough for initial runs/registration - but am looking for a replacement.

The engine is sound and running - the gearbox, in bits robbed for a friend but a mint T80 g/box is now fitted (more cost)

The rest of the tinware and tank is sound and only needs clean up and painting.

When will it be on the road .... I had hoped to have it ready for this weeks IOM trip ....!!??
WRONG !
So when ......... October ?

As for this project - genuinely good luck with it

email (option): ginantonik@tiscali.co.uk

Hi there

the forks were to far gone but the pair of yokes were fine the primary chaincases are like new and the clutch seems okay i have just kept a lot of the spares for templates once i get
the bike finnished i can weigh them in good luck with your restoration

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Trigger's Broom!

email (option): oldjunk@btinternet.com

Oh yes !
(you will have to explain to non UK peoples - granddads axe ?)

Which leads me to one of my old 'chestnuts' - what is original and what is a replica......

As far as I'm concerned ORIGINAL I something that came out the factory, archived a patina/period modifications/accessories and is preserved - as is.

Anything that's made up from a collection of parts (granted - THE CORRECT parts) from various sources - is a replica and not original.

So you may as well use all the Indian or otherwise replica stuff on the market and stop hunting around for the correct BS23.12/a rivet ......

Standing by for reaction .........


Ian - regarding the 3HW, the biggest problem for me was what I paid for it (yes I know .....) - I am having to ignore this cost and am plugging on regardless.
At least with this project you had a very good idea of what you were getting and it only went for £183 - leaving lots of room to spent and still get your money back.
Good luck to him.

email (option): ginantonik@tiscali.co.uk

At that price even after throwing away all the scrap there'll probably be at least that much in the value of the remaining parts...

So in a way, with not much of the original left, it is a case building one from parts!... ..

I share your view the only original bikes are ones that have remained together from the date of production AND still retain most of the original finish as applied by the factory...

Anything that has been fully restored isn't original...

A 'barn find' that has lost most of the factory finish (in other words is rusted) is unrestored but isn't 'original'.....

A bike built up from parts, even if it's mainly genuine parts isn't 'original'.....

That's just my opinion of course and there are plenty who will disagree...The 'originality' debate is endless in fact as people tend to have entrenched views on which they won't compromise...

I also agree about replica parts...If they fit, work and look OK then I'm happy to use them...as everyone does in fact when rebuilding a bike...

I don't think there's any original chains, tyres, inner tubes, batteries, paint, cables, many bearings and pistons, valve guides, magnetos parts etc. etc. left and a rebuilt bike has replicas or replacements for all of those...

Personally I think the whole point about supposed 'originality' is that it is a myth that needs to be preserved so that we can all believe in the market values that prevail...Ian

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Singing from same hymn sheet Ian.

The fact that a bike sold as a 11-50 Brough-Superior for a restored a Brough price - which contained NOT ONE SINGLE BROUGH PART (I know cos I built it!) is particularly galling and proved the amount of B-S that exists in the m/bike world!

The only real 'problem' with repro parts is their quality - and on for this reason alone I try and find NOS parts.

email (option): ginantonik@tiscali.co.uk