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Motorcycle security and CCTV

Look, I've talked about this before on this forum, but it's always worth reminding everyone.

Have just bought a new CCTV set-up that monitors my home and garage. I hate to recommend any firms unless I've got long experience with their product, but this one's from Swann, and it looks to be very good.

It's a two camera colour system, has pretty good daytime resolution, has VERY good infra red night vision (will see into pitch black areas, or near pitch black, with ease), and is motion sensitive (Tip: lower the sensitivity for night work. You'll be amazed at how much dust is out there and gets picked up which triggers the sensors).

The hard drive is 500gb and can last for around a month if you use the motion sensitive feature. Also, you can digitally zoom in (at lower quality), or select "hot spots" or "blind spots", and you can view it over the internet or on a smartphone (still trying to sort this feature out). That means you can be sat in a field at a bike show and watch your garage (and I think email alerts are possible - but I've got to check this out).

It does take a little head scratching, but anyone with half a brain can figure it out. Even Norton owners.



(Just kidding, of course).

The set up cost me £200 from Maplin. You can plug it into a TV with a scart adapter (not supplied - although there is another connector for the front of my TV), or it will allow most computer monitors to plug right in to the back (one of the blue multi-pin monitor thingies).

This device is a MUST for anyone with anything to lose. It sits there quietly watching and recording, and will alert me to unwanted guests.

Cleverly, it actually records BEFORE a motion-detected incident happens. The magic is that it's permanently recording a thirty second loop (or whatever) and it includes this advance footage whenever the motion detector is triggered, so it catches all the action before, during and after your bike is wheeled away (so you can enjoy every second of it).

Please take this seriously before some bastard has it away with your wheels.

Five years ago this would have cost £2000 or more. But if you wait another five years for the price to drop further, it could end up costing you more.

I am not employed by Swann, but if they want to cross my palm with silver, my fingers will happily curl around their coin.

email (option): dannydefazio@sumpmagazine.com

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Sorry to disappoint Danny but this particular Norton owner doesn't have and doesn't want a smart phone, would rather sit in the garage with a cup of tea and a packet of Hobnobs than watch his bike on the internet...and has completely given up watching television now that we've gone dig-it-all and I'm expected to arse around with all that gubbins.

I've got one of those infra-red cat scarers to keep next door's shitting murderer out of my runner beans and I can't even get that set up properly and the whole street can hear its inaudible tone so what chance would I have with a camera ?

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I have a fairly good alarm system on my workshops which would wake up the dead when it goes off...(that could be a problem as I live next to the village graveyard)...I also live in an area with one of the lowest crime rates in the country...
Unfortunately or maybe fortunately , I don't have either a smart phone or a TV, so this might be a non starter for me...However, if you live in a scallywag infested area of bandit territory (a city) I would think something like this would be a good investment to protect your loved ones (the bikes that is)... ..It would probably make your insurance company happier as well....Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

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It sounds just the job Danny, but does this system actually alert you to a threat or just film them pinching your stuff? If it's the latter, you've then got to rely on the Police taking things seriously and I'm not going to get drawn into that!

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Hi Bill, I've just checked, and it does ACTIVELY alert you to a threat, so you can call the coppers or a neighbour if you're away from home. But remember this, if you put a camera inside your garage pointing at the door, it will film the thieves to enable them to be identified later. Alternately, if you stick a big sign on the wall saying: CONGRATULATIONS! YOUR PICTURE IS NOW UPLOADED TO MY WEBSITE AND THE COPPERS ARE ON THE WAY they just might leave poste haste and empty handed.

Note to Rik. I'm not sure I have a smartphone either. Mine's a pretty stupid phone. But I'll upgrade sooner or later. However, you don't need to use all the features. Conceivably, you could send an email notification to this website, so when you're down the pub and your bike is getting nicked, we can all watch it live and say; "Hey, I bet he wishes he had a smart phone now."



More seriously, the CCTV simply protects your investment, and if you've got a lot of bikes (like Ron), it makes even more sense.

If your garage catches fire, by the way, the camera will probably notice it too. It will detect smoke if the sensitivity is set high enough. But you'd probably have to have the camera inside the garage where it won't be disturbed by atmospheric stuff and wind blown leaves, etc.

Or you can just admire your bike on your TV instead of watching the usual rubbish (probably not such a desirable idea for Norton owners).



Note to Ian: Actually, it's often the country bikers in remote areas who are more at risk. There are a lot of people here who can see my garage (actually, two garages). It's conceivable that at least one might notice something and alert me. But I can't rely on that, so I have to look after my own interests. It's also conceivable that one of them will try and rip me off some day, in which case I'll be ready.

email (option): dannydefazio@sumpmagazine.com

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Funnily enough you are right about the risk in rural areas Danny...though it doesn't seem to happen much here.. The Tea Leaves come out from the towns because they know people in rural areas are more lax about security...
Years ago I didn't usually lock my door or shut the windows when I went out...(Having two Dobermans helped me feel good about security as well though!!)...
Now times have moved on... and I have a soppy border collie, so I'm a bit more careful now....hence the alarm system.
This problem is bound to worsen in the long term as we busily produce generations of kids with no real job prospects and the belief that it's OK to steal to get what you need....Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

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Ian, quite so. But also, it's a sad fact that it's often bikers ripping off bikers, and all too often people you know and trust.

I was privy to an incident many years ago when I helped recover a stolen Harley (on the Q.T). When we "collected" the bike, it had a numberplate on the back that we recognised; not a COPY of the numberplate, but the ACTUAL numberplate from a so-called friend's bike.

Clearly, he'd nicked his mate's Harley and had ridden it away with his numberplate on the rear, safe in the knowledge that if he was stopped by the coppers, they wouldn't know one Harley from another (even though the two models were very different). I've known of similar things. We all have, I should think.

The point is, ten or fifteen years ago, most WW2 bikes were hardly worth the effort nicking. Not so today. Why, just think how much Ron's worth?



Nowadays, people are desperate. They nick manhole covers, park gates, rare sculptures - and all for scrap. CCTV isn't the only answer, of course. It's just another string for your bow (or another cartridge for your shotgun down in Devon, no doubt).

email (option): dannydefazio@sumpmagazine.com

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When I first moved here 33 years ago I was talking to someone outside my house and a chap walked past us...After he had passed the old boy I was talking to said do you know who that was?...I sad 'No, I don't'...
He replied..'That's Dave the burglar..but you needn't worry, he goes pinching elsewhere as everyone knows him round here'... ...Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

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Years ago, it used to be sidecar racers nicking manhole covers as the best source of seasoned cast iron for homemade brake discs.

I've heard stories of cherished vehicles being taken for ransom. That leaves an insurance quandry. Would we rather have the payout or our bike back ?

It's only in the last year or so that Fire & Theft cover has been available over here for old motorcycles - they took the line that an old bike wasn't worth anything. I'm 'Third Party Only' at the moment. The trouble is that after years of not paying for the cover (and "getting away with it"), an extra 300 euro for two bikes Fire and theft on top of the 150 euro third party cover seems like a rip-off. You lot in the UK have it pretty good in that respect.

Would you grumble and pay up at £400 per annum ?

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Rik, over here now in the UK it's often cheaper to get fully comprehensive insurance. Sounds daft, but one insurer explained that the underwriters figure that people who ask for fully comp are more responsible and honest, or something like that.

Interestingly, the fact that I had CCTV made no difference to my last quote (around £120 fully comp for my M20 and two Triumphs).

Go figure...

email (option): dannydefazio@sumpmagazine.com

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Getting the police interested is a bit of a teaser. A few years ago my house was burgled and I called the police, "Do you want a crime number?" Yes I replied and a SOCO team to dust for fingerprints. "No chance" says the copper, we are too busy. I rang every 15 minutes for 5 hours till they gave in and sent a fingerprint duster, 'cos that's all he did, after telling me that they were too sophisticated not to wear gloves nowadays. Turns out the knobhead was gloveless and left a beautiful fingerprint on the windowsill and got 16months youth detention for his ignorance.

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Last week my new trailer(four years old) was stolen off the back of my van,in the process they damaged another van of mine cost to repair £1100, plus vat ,insurance will pay only £1000. for the trailer a bad week dont you think, I wonder if the tv will run over CAT six for 50meters? andrew.h.

email (option): warbikes@gmail.com

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Andrew, I don't understand this line:

"I wonder if the tv will run over CAT six for 50meters?"

Can you explain it?

email (option): dannydefazio@sumpmagazine.com

Re: Motorcycle security and CCTV

Andrew, I don't understand this line:

"I wonder if the tv will run over CAT six for 50meters?"

Can you explain it?

email (option): dannydefazio@sumpmagazine.com

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I used to have a trip wire across my garage door, going to a shotgun cartridge. The trouble with this is it's me that goes in and out the garage most, and yes, one day quickly going out to the garage to get something and I felt the wire on my foot followed by the words "OH F**K" as the cartridge went off. Luckily I'd taken the shot out of it, but my ears were ringing for hours

Reminded me of when I was in NAM

email (option): horror@blueyonder.co.uk

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Dont leave your bikes parked outside your home any more than you have to. Get it in the garage or hid as soon as you get home. Leaving them on the drive is the perfect way to let the local scum know what you own, and what security measures you have. so they can plan ahead to defeat the security at their leisure.
They do drive around looking at targets for later attention.

Also while we are on the subject of theft, there was a program on UK telivision about pickpocket theft. With the auto jumble season about to start be aware that pickets know that we walk around auto jumbles with cash in our pockets and are using auto jumbles as their new happy hunting ground. So be careful at these.
Many of them are Romainian/ eastern european so be aware of those accents, and they spend most their time looking at people rather than bikes/parts

email (option): Gasboy@btinternet.com

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I am a tree surgeon when not messing around with motorbikes so have a lot of the world's most nickable kit and can thoroughly recommend a huge Rottweiler. I have had two.

My Rotty scares the pants off anything in a white van. Nobody comes into the property without their running trainers on.

The trip wire and black powder cartridge is good, but I too set them off too regularly for comfort!

email (option): sacombsashtrees@hotmail.com

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my shed a smallish but strong padlock on the outside as not to attract people a big padlock says there is something good in there the doors are made of two 2mm thick ply 4 heavy duty hinges per door sandwiched between the ply sheets strips of 2x1 screwed to to out side and angle iron bolted down the edges of the door chain on the door to the wall you can only open the door a small way to unlock the padlock to get the door fully open each bike is chained to ground anchours each bike is seperately chained to each other handle bars removed clamps taken indoors have you tried pushing a bike without handle bars someone i know has a i bar gate across the inside of his garage about waist height you would have to lift the bike over this gate

email (option): roger.beck@node6.com

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There were pickpockets at Stafford last year..approx. 15 people got nailed...one for £6,000..or at least that's how many reported it. They caught the lookout man but not the thieves or the money...
Pat..Rottwielers were bred as cattle dogs..They do look the part and can be a bit scary...Next time you should try a Doberman though...Bred as a guard dog, very intelligent, no fear, a distinct dislike of strangers, very protective of the family and property and thier natural response to a threat is to attack....A Copper stopped his car one night to advise my missus it wasn't a good idea to be out alone at night...Luckily he didn't get out and was able to get away as my Doberman reappeared from running around and launched through the open car window....He took it pretty well and after the dog was removed agreed she would 'probably be alright'... ...Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

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While the leccy stuf is good & fun if you are into it, I run "open house" .
People come at all times of the day & night to borrow tools or parts.
Makes it hard for tea leaves to work out when to drop by.
A few stories down the pub about the "old patch wearing days " does a lot to convince the locals that you are not one to be fooled with.

A neighbour plastered his front & back door with warrants & summonses for violent offences ( mostly fake ) then added a few "blood stains" on the wall & path . Not even the God botheres were game to go inside his gate.

However it is funny about HD riders, a lot of them would happily buy a custom part that knew was from a "mates" stolen bike.

email (option): wariron@tpg.com.au

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I agree with the 'not leaving anything on view' school of thought, and putting your bike away out of sight immediately. I didn't use to think that way but in recent years I think it has paid off. I have a car port at the side of my house/front of my garage and it is a good spot for working on stuff. The drawback is that any ne'er do wells going up and down the road can see what I have got. I solved this by fitting a 'false door' part way along the carport. This is basically a canvas screen that hangs from a cross bar.It is painted in such a way that from the road it looks like a garage door, so to all intents and purposes my garage is always closed. My mate over the back hedge had his pride and joy nicked from inside his locked garage while he slept. They used material found in the garage to stuff around the bike alarm and deaden it. They squirted window fitting foam inside the garage/house alarm box that cut that out. How they got up to that is still a mystery. He lives at the end of a cul de sac and no-one passing the end of it can see his property so it had to be someone who knew him or, more likely, some scrote who followed him home. But he did use to leave it out after use and when he had cleaned it etc. He can't do that now. I live on a main road/bus route so have to be doubly careful. Another mate had his bike nicked in broad daylight while he was out at work. It was across the far end of his garage blocked in by his wife's car. They had to rear it up on end and wheel it around the car and then out of the side snicket door. If they come for your bike you have to make it as difficult as possible as there are some very determined, resourceful, well prepared crooks out there. Some years back at a different address I heard thieves going in to my garage in the night. I had deliberately resisted the temptation to oil the incredibly squeaky noisey up and over door just for this reason, and I'm glad I did. They had silently entered and moved two (alarmed)cars in order to gain access to the garage. They knew what they were after (my Harley) and a couple of cars seemingly of no interest. I dont have a Doberman but I do have a machete. I reckon anything you can do to protect your investment is money well spent, if your circumstances require it. Good shout Danny.

email (option): cruiserchooser@hotmail.co.uk

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The Australia Cattle Dog is one of the best for this caper,had a couple over the years, no one would ever come into the house yard if I was`nt home.Just rescued a Red Cattle/Dingo Cross about 14mts old from the council.turning out a great dog very smart,loyal and a great guard dog.

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Danny DeFazio
Andrew, I don't understand this line:

"I wonder if the tv will run over CAT six for 50meters?"

Can you explain it?
Danny, cat six is comunication cable that is screened unlike cat five thats not, I run broadband over two so have four pairs free for perhaps CCTV, Just saying,just asking, andrew.h.

email (option): warbikes@gmail.com

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Ten years ago bike theft around Banbury had reached unbearable levels. Until Aprillia supplied a bike for bait, Tracker supplied and fitted one of their tracking devises to it, then the local Aprillia dealer parked it outside his home for a few nights before it was stolen. The tracker guided the police to the thieves lair where they were arrested. It was a local girl feeding the thieves with information as to where bikes were owned/ parked/ garaged. She seemed a nice normal local village girl, but you never know the intensions of the people watching you which is why I say keep them hidden.
Even with all the work done for them the police were reluctant to retrieve the Aprillia and prosecute the thieves as they said it was 'entrapment'.
I do like the idea of taking handle bar clamps off though.
One guy was washing his bike outside his house, he went in to fill his bucket with clean water. When he came out the bike was gone.

email (option): Gasboy@btinternet.com

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I've often wondered if you could effectively make your own tracker device for around £20. Or less. Not sure if I've mentioned this before, but here goes.

It works like this:

Buy a cheap mobile phone.
Get a free SIM card.
Hide the mobile phone on the bike (especially when in a high risk location).

The police can triangulate a mobile phone within a few tens of metres (if they can be bothered). The mobile phone always knows where it is. If you've got an idea of who's nicked the bike, you could even try calling the phone in the small hours and listening for it. Sounds unlikely, but it might work.

You could even try negoitiating with the thieves when they answer the phone. Sounds even more unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

Shame that we have to think like this, but c'est la vie.

Mobile phones are extremely small these days. They could fit in a few places around a bike (under the tank or mudguard). Standby time might be 3-4 days. Or more. For £20, it might be worth considering.



email (option): dannydefazio@sumpmagazine.com

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Good idea Danny but keeping it charged up might be a problem.

email (option): horror@blueyonder.co.uk

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I'm not so interested in getting back whatever is left after some 'waster' has had a go at it..The focus should be mainly on how to stop them getting it in the first place....Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

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Note to Horror: You don't need to worry about keeping it charged. I was thinking that you'd only use a mobile phone in high risk situations. But maybe some smart guy out there can figure out how to hide a charger on the bike too. Some of these are pretty small. Phone require less than 12-volts, don't they?

Note to Ian: Stopping the bike getting nicked is what the camera is all about. But security is, of course, always a combination of things. Ultimately, a very good lock and keeping the bike out of sight is paramount. Varying your routine helps, especially if you're regularly riding it to work or something and parking in the same spot (big mistake).

But if the bike does go missing, the jury-rigged mobile phone idea might at least help with recovery. The phone doesn't need to keep broadcasting its location. If your bike is nicked at midday, for instance, chances are that the bike would have reach its destination by the small hours. You just need to know where it is at that time. Maybe it helps if you turn down the phone's volume and simply call it. The mobile phone account provider will know where it is. give or take a few tens of metres. If it's a BSA M20, you can look for the oil stains.



Then it's down to Old Bill to go and fetch it and nick the bastards.



P.S. Maybe you can train your dog to pick up that unique smell of your favourite engine or gearbox oil.

email (option): dannydefazio@sumpmagazine.com

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Hi Danny, you can get vehicle trackers that do all the things you're talking about. They send you a text with the vehicles location and you can ring the device (which doesn't ring out loud) and listen to the people who have the vehicle without them knowing. It works on a mobile phone SIM card. A quick search on ebay and I've found this one.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Realtime-Mini-Personal-GPS-Tracker-GSM-Car-Tracking-Spy-Bug-/230674079354?pt=UK_In_Car_Technology&hash=item35b53f1e7a

I've noticed that some of these have an annual or monthly fee because a call centre is involved, but I can't see anything like that on this one. A message to the seller will clarify.

It can also be use as a personal tracker ie, young kids away for the day, you just put it in there pocket and know where they are at any time.

You can even track in other countries, sounds good

email (option): horror@blueyonder.co.uk

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Thanks, Horror. I know about this system. I was just thinking of a cheapskate way of doing it.

email (option): dannydefazio@sumpmagazine.com

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Hi all,

Here you can find GPS trackers for less than £20.
Cannot say I tried it though.
Price include international postage, but it does take its time getting there.

http://dx.com/s/gps+tracker

There is a very good CCTV application/software for PC, which is called: “Zone trigger”
Or “Webcam Zone Trigger” which is free for few weeks for test,
Then you can buy license cheap via PayPal.

It lets you to use USB web cameras, (The regular PC chat kind or better. I used a Microsoft HD),
IP cameras, coaxial attached camera or others, and connect few of them, not only 1-2.
You can chose “Triggering zones”, you can chose the sensitivity and coverage of each zone,
Chose to take photos or a short clip when triggered and so on.
Every clip and photo has Date and time stamp.
The software also lets you hook up a microphone, or in my case, I used the one imbedded in the web cam.- Worked great.

A crazy neighbor was throwing trash in to my sidecar daily, and this is how I found him.

Later, I hanged it above my door, and find out that this same maniac was nicking my newspaper from the threshold,
Opened the electricity fuse box which is outside my door and disconnect me at 04:00 am
(you can actually see him putting his hand in, and the record terminates. I wish he was shocked to coal)

Today I do not see him around much, (the neighbor) and when I do, he is led by his wife.
Apparently he did mark me as a target, but it is a kind of a mental issue or dementia.

A smart feller told me once that “Locks are against honest people”
Meaning that if a thieve sets his mind to it, anything can be stolen,
But yet- I do believe it is a very good means to delay or to make someone leave your bike all together if the bother is too high..

Noam.


email (option): noam10@gmail.com

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Never mind all this technology, in case of bike thieving scum, I've got a dog, a 12 bore and the farmer less than a mile away owns 500 hungry pigs and he owes me a favour!

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