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Steering head bearings

I'm about to order some steering head bearings suitable for A, B and M Series BSAs. This set converts from the cup and cone set up of the originals to sealed ball bearings that require no further adjustment after fitting.
Price will be £42 plus postage and packing...Let me know if you need any...Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

Re: Steering head bearings

Ian, did you get my email regarding the bearings?

Stuart

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Re: Steering head bearings

Hi Stuart...Mail sent...Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

Re: Steering head bearings

Hi Ian
Do you know if these will fit a 1931 Sloper? They are also a cup and cone type.
Regards
Peter

email (option): pvlietstra@gmail.com

Re: Steering head bearings

I can't tell you that Peter as I am not familiar with pre war models. You need to speak to Leon about that..However, going by the 1936 G14 I used to have I would say not...that was completely different....Ian

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Re: Steering head bearings

Thanks Ian, just a long shot. I am running phosphor bronze bushes in my steering head at present. Someone suggetsed it was not a good idea. Can you think of any reason why?

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Re: Steering head bearings

Hi Peter,

The M20 bearings won't fit the Sloper. Completely different like Ian suspected.

The Sloper bearings have a taper fit in the forged backbone and the upper bearing is complex as the top yoke slides over it.

You could try Cornucopia Enterprises as they used to reproduce them. Not cheap but at least they are available.

Good luck, Michiel

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Re: Steering head bearings

Hi Ian when you change the original bearings to sealed ball race bearings what happens to the thrust loading that is taken up with the original bearings.

email (option): skid1@live.com.au

Re: Steering head bearings

Ballbearings have been used on bikes for yoinks! There is usually a spacer tube to stop the inners from compressing against each other for want of a better description.

Re: Steering head bearings

No spacer tube on these BSA kits. With the top yolk resting against the top bearing and the pinch bolt done up, there is no undue strain on the bearings.

Ron

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This type of bearing was original equipment on Norton Commandos and more recently Buells...others as well I would think....Ian

email (option): ian@wright52.plus.com

Re: Steering head bearings

The Commando does use a spacer tube between the bearings though.

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Re: Steering head bearings

The spacer tube isn't required on an M20 as long as assembly instructions are followed...Ian

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Re: Steering head bearings

Ian Wright
The spacer tube isn't required on an M20 as long as assembly instructions are followed...Ian

I believe Ian is correct in saying a spacer is not required BUT I make the following statement with the Caveat that I am not aware of which bearing is used in this kit but a deep groove single row ball bearing with the boundary dimensions of the head stem of the M20 should be able to comfortably take an axial load of 50% of the permissible static load recommended by the bearing Manufacturer a SKF bearing of this size would have typical Co (Static load )value of 11.2 Kn so it should be comfortable with the Axial loads imparted by the Geriatric M20 unless the hamfisted amongst us tightens the head stem nut with a 36" Pipe wrench

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That is quite correct Ron, these bearings are designed to take some axial load...However, there is no way in the home workshop of calculating what load is being applied, so the fitting instructions are written to avoid exerting such forces on the bearings during fitting...
Th best solution would be the fitting of a sleeve to prevent accidental excessive loading but not only would this add component cost to the bearing kit but also additional postage costs.
As with most things the market is sensitive to price and the (modified) bearings can be supplied currently for a similar price to a pattern cup and cone set so are a good upgrade at minimal (if any) extra cost...
If fitted in line with the instructions,the possibility of high axial loadings of the bearings will not be an issue...
If the suggestion was made in the instructions that a degree of axial loading was acceptable and keeping in mind most people can't measure that load, then inevitably, some bearings would be overloaded at fitting....Ian


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Re: Steering head bearings

Thank you all for your reply, I was just curious as I am about to strip the forks and check the wear in the fork bushes and steering head bearings.
Cheers,
Mark

email (option): skid1@live.com.au

message for Ian Wright Re: Steering head bearings

Ian
Recieved A message from She who thinks she must be obeyed the Head stem Bearings Arrived This Day looks like I am in for a Busy time in the Man Cave When I get Home having picked up the new Carby on the way to the TT.

Cheers From the Jewel in the Irish Sea

Ron FTLDU

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message for Ian Wright Re: Steering head bearings

Hi

My steering head bearings feel like there is a notch in them. I can only feel this when the bike is off the stand and I'm paddling in and out of parking spaces and the like. It's as I move either side through approximately the straight ahead position. This isn't evident when on the rear stand, I guess that maybe how the load applies between rear up / down explains this? Anyway I'll need to do some investigations and repairs. Seeing this thread I want to check a few things about conversion as that seems like a sensible step as part of the work, even if I find some other cause:
1) The conversion bearings are modified in some way so I can't just buy the relevant bearings here in Singapore? Is the modification something I could get a local engineering firm to do?
2) looking at the post dates I guess I've missed the boat for getting a set via Ian, but Google found these, does anyone know if they're ok?
http://www.feked.com/bsa-a-b-and-m-models-steering-race-ball-end-conversion-kit.html

While I'm doing the work any recommendations, such as checking out the forks or other front end refurb that's just going to make more sense as part of the package?

Thanks

Richard

email (option): Dickie.bobbie@hotmail.co.uk

message for Ian Wright Re: Steering head bearings

Hi

Fixed it, or at least found the cause and addressed that, will see if it repeats. The lower fork link nearest the steering head was very slightly loose, so when I turned the handlebars from left to right I got a notch or rather a knock that felt just like a notch in the bearings. I've tightened this up, but unlike the top links this doesn't seem to thread and then have an offside nut for lockng, so perhaps something more is wrong, only time will tell!

Richard

email (option): dickie.bobbie@hotmail.co.uk

message for Ian Wright Re: Steering head bearings

Richard your off side links should all be threaded and the long through bolts should have lock nuts. If you have a stripped thread in a link, you could do a temporary fix by using a nut with loctite (Clean the threads first with thinners or something). Then tighten to the desired adjustment and the Loctite will set and keep the nut in place.
Also check the old chestnut of having your front tank bolts too long that they will touch the steering stem......Ask me how I know this

Ron

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message for Ian Wright Re: Steering head bearings

Hi Ron

Thanks I'll do that, I think my tank bolts are ok but as I've had that off a few times it is worth a double check. I've now looked at the post from Dave on refurbishment of the links which made it clear that there should be a thread. I'll take a look first to confirm the thread is stripped in case the also means bits of metal where I don't want them! Loctite sounds my best option.

Cheers

Richard

email (option): Dickie.bobbie@hotmail.co.uk

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