thanks Ian for the advice, i did put some of it together, to work out which bolts came from what, the engine is in one lump and the gearbox, just glad he didnt take all that apart as well,i felt if i didnt do somethink to it , it would stay the way it was for a long time, and as the guy had taken all the paint off, i thought it was best to cover it up,i would have liked to have kept it an oil rag bike, thats how i like them, have an montgomery jap, ajs and a sos, all from the 30's in oil rag condition, i just like to do the repairs or replace whats broken. curt