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Re: CLASSIC(?) LINES

Surely it's a "glottal stop" It's silent. As in -if you listen carefully, you won't hear it.❔

Re: CLASSIC(?) LINES

It is indeed pronounced as a glottal stop and maybe what would be best, in terms of writing it, would be a t with some form of of accent ( I’ve often envisaged a t with a circle on top, like Danish å )...As for placement, Shaun, I think “goin' to t’flicks” is preferable to “goin’ to’t flicks*, as t’ is the definite article of the next word, and the ‘ denotes an abbreviation of the missing “he” in “the”. How did the Brontës write it? Can’t now remember....

Re: CLASSIC(?) LINES

The pronunciation is somewhere between tut and tet. How you would write it to accurately explain to someone who has never heard it is anyone's guess.

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Just stumbled across this interesting thread. Emily Bronte has Joseph talking about 'pailin t'guilp off t'porridge' in "Wuthering Heights" but I suspect she was merely following (or being made to follow) an already established typographical convention. Perhaps the best way of reproducing the sound orthographically would be to isolate the t' when it precedes a consonant, because there is always a hiatus, however slight, between t' and the following consonant e.g. pailin t' guilp AND off t' porridge, though read aloud it would sound more like 'pailint' guilp' and 'offt' porridge', and maybe that's a better way of reproducing it? But when it comes to the t' before a vowel neither of the above quite works and would need to be amended e.g. he were up ont'horse OR even upont'horse; OR e.g. am thinkint'only thing is...

What do you think?

Doug

Years at KBGS e.g. 1958-1964 (optional) 1951-58

Current location (optional) Keswick, Cumbria

Re: CLASSIC(?) LINES

You might be onto something there, Doug. The apostrophe in your stand alone t' acts as an accent to denote the glo t' t' al stop! Scots Gaelic does something similar: Tha mi a' bruidhinn means I talk, or literally Am I at talking. A' is an abbreviation of aig = at. Not many KBGS folk know that. And why should they?

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Terry Marston
From Victoria Wood (Dinner Lady)

\\\\\\\" Everywhere in Scotland is spelt.......................

ECCLEFECHAN

and pronounced KIRKCOOBRIE\\\\\\\"


In my day, there were similar problems eg

LORCUM
CALLYDONIAH
BRATFUD
Jwonowt frum t'shop?

Years at KBGS e.g. 1958-1964 (optional) 1953-58

Re: CLASSIC(?) LINES

Been ower ter Keighley today, went through 'Estbun'. En route passed through 'Lansherbridge'

Years at KBGS e.g. 1958-1964 (optional) 58-64

Current location (optional) Wirral

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Brian R Moate
Been ower ter Keighley today, went through \'Estbun\'. En route passed through \'Lansherbridge\'
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain

Years at KBGS e.g. 1958-1964 (optional) 1953-58

Current location (optional) Tykeland

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Peter Lancaster
Brian R Moate
Been ower ter Keighley today, went through \\\\\\\'Estbun\\\\\\\'. En route passed through \\\\\\\'Lansherbridge\\\\\\\'
\"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn\'t know.\" - Mark Twain
mi daddle go airless

Years at KBGS e.g. 1958-1964 (optional) 1953-58