For a couple of months I have been thinking the 2nd Coming is either 9 months from now or just under 4 years from now. The problem with the latter is the timing for that is beyond the Jubilee.

Sherry Vance had2 great posts on the fivedoves this week showing the Jubilee years, with the next one coming on the above Sept. date.
She is still looking for a 7 year period for the trib. citing the historic pattern of comparing Jacob's trial with Laban to Israel and the Oslo accords in 1993 going 21 years to now.
Where she missed it is Jacob LEFT the bondage of Laban after serving his three 7 year terms. He didn't enter into tribulation after that.
The timeline for the prior Jubilees (1917,1966) lands on the September 23 number she quoted.

The Jubilees are confusing, I thought they were a 50 year cycle but are not. They are 49 years each because the Jubilee is counted as year one of the next 49.

The next cycle converging on that Sept. is the conclusion of the 49 Biblical (360 day) count from the 1967 6 day war, which ends exactly on the 23rd also.
The third count is marked from the covenant the Impostor made on Oct 29 2008 at 8pm. to change the nation and the world if elected.
fulfilling the prophecy of Daniel (the traditional teaching of a treaty between Israel and the AC is NOT found in Daniel)

Again that count is in Jewish prophetic years (like in the book of Revelation- 360 days per yr).

You are wondering where the 2 Wittiness are?

What if one is Dr. Owuor and another one we don't know yet?

I believe we are in the final year of the Trib right now and are leaving imminently.

No, Mike we are not in the final year of the Tribulation. It can't begin until the Church has been evacuated from this planet. And with that said, you need to remember that Rapture Flight to Heaven is a pre-Trib Web site. Post-Trib, mid-Trib, pre-wrath, etc., are not allowed on this forum.

there is no way this is the final year of tribulation. Where is the mark of the beast? I'm buying and selling just fine without it.

The two witnesses, if they were here, would be able to devour their enemies with fire that flows out of their mouths. I don't see that, They will be known all over the world because of their actions.

I don't see a rebuilt temple either

Things are still too good to be in the tribulation

We're definitely not in the tribulation as yet Mike T.

If we were in the final tribulation year, that would mean Jesus would be coming to Earth for the second time, this time to fight the battle of Armageddon and to set up His Kingdom here on Earth in Jerusalem. Where would that put the Rapture? We certainly wouldn't be caught up to meet the Lord in the air for a split second and immediately return, to fight the battle along side Jesus. Some call this a yo yo effect, go up and immediately go down. There would be No time for the wedding in Heaven or the wedding supper if that were the case. It's not an eat and run wedding; we take our time with Jesus. It will be a grand and splendid affair, absolutely divine and out of this world.

We'll be up there with the Lord for 7 Earthly years. Then we will return with the Lord at the end of that period to fight the battle of Armageddon.

Rapture & Second Coming are two separate events. With separate time lines.

I think I'll try and find the explanation for clarification, so you can see the differences. Rapture happens 7 years before the Tribulation & the Second Coming happens after the 7 years of Tribulation have passed. One is a meeting in the air, the Rapture, and the other is the return of Jesus with His Saints to fight the battle of Armageddon, and to set up His kingdom on Earth after the 7 year period.

Kathy & Steve both explained their views which I totally agree with, as they pertain to a Pre Tribulation Rapture, which is the only Rapture that has always to this very day considered imminent.

Look Up Mike T, Kathy & Steve, The Pre Tribulation Rapture is at hand,
then the Tribulation will begin once the Bride is caught up to meet Jesus in the air.

Maranatha!

Valerie

Mike T.,

I found this one I posted awhile back the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming of Jesus to Earth.


How the Rapture is Different from the Second Coming...
"Fair Use for Information & Discussion Purposes"

There is also a list of things to consider regarding how the rapture is different from the second coming of our Lord. They
are two distinct events which people can confuse as being the same, but they are completely different from one another.


1. The snatching away or rapture of the church is eminent. Nothing has to happen for the rapture of the church to occur,
and there is no requirement for it to take place that I know of except what Paul stated in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. However,
there is a whole list of things which must take place before the second coming. For example, all the requirements as set
forth in the book of Revelation must take place before Jesus returns to Israel.

2. In the rapture, only the believers see Christ, but at the second coming, everyone sees Him.

3. At the rapture, all believers are transformed from our sinful bodies to our heavenly bodies, but at the second coming,
nothing like that happens.

4. At the rapture, the church is taken out to avoid the wrath to come. “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to
receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Thessalonians 5:9). At the second coming, Jesus comes after His
wrath is finished being poured out on Earth.

5. The snatching away of the church affects only the believers, but the second coming affects everybody.

6. At the rapture of the church, Christians are taken up to the marriage supper of the Lamb with Jesus as the Bridegroom,
but at the second coming, the church is coming back with Jesus to Earth.
7. In the rapture, Jesus comes for His bride. Later He comes with His church. This ties in with #7.

8. There is no mention of Satan at all in relation to the rapture of the church, but at the second coming, Satan is
mentioned over and over. One example is Satan is bound and put into the pit for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-3).

9. At the rapture of the church, the meeting takes place in the air, and then we go on into heaven with Jesus. However, the
second coming actually takes place on Earth at the Mount of Olives.
There are other Scriptures in the Bible which tell us God will deliver the righteous people from the evil to come on this Earth.

In Revelation 3 Jesus gives the message to the church in Philadelphia. He says, "Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to
test those who live on the earth” (Revelation 3:10). It is here we are told that God was going to remove the church at the very hour the tribulation begins, and you can count on the Word of God taking place. God has always saved the righteous people first.

In Exodus 11:4-7 you will read the Jews who put the lambs’ blood over the door were all saved from the wrath of God. Today you can be saved by taking the blood that Jesus poured out for us in order for our sins to be
forgiven.

2 Peter 2:4-10a says, "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into2 Peter 2:4-10a says, "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; if he condemned the cites of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued Lot, a
righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard) - if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority."

As you can well see, there are many reasons why we should keep on the watch for the Lord Jesus to return for His church.

The rapture of His church is going to be a blessed day for all who have asked Jesus to be their Savior. Understand that God never wanted the evil one to take over the Earth in the first place. He expected His creation to worship only Him.

Second, it is not His will that mankind will suffer; it is the result of our surrender to evil and our stubborn resistance to the
salvation He offers.

Third, He has given us adequate warning of the consequences of a world that has rejected the Creator God. We would be wise to heed these warnings.

All the signs Jesus told us to watch for are showing up. For the first
time in almost 2,000 years, all these signs are occurring at the same time. God said that the generation that sees the rebirth of Israel would see the return of Christ. Since our generation is the only one to see the rebirth of Israel and all the prophecies about Israel come true after her rebirth, then there is no question our generation is the one Jesus referred to.

It won’t be long until the church is raptured. When the church is gone, there will be Great Tribulation such as the world has never known. As Christians, we must continue in the faith. We have to be ready at all times for the Lord’s return.

The purpose for every detail Jesus gave us in prophecy was to make sure we would be ready. Don’t let Satan strip the joy of the Lord from you. Jesus promised His followers peace and joy.

snippets from Frank Dimora's Book,

"The Last Chronicles of Planet Earth"

continues at:

http://frankdimora.typepad.com/the_last_chronicles/

Thanks everyone for straightening me out.

Have you ever considered the Jews of the time of Jesus?
They had the prophecies and tripped over them.

How many of them rightly perceived the prophecies coming to pass right in front of them?
A couple? A few?
The norm is, the prophecy is understood AFTER it comes to pass.

We all like things in a nice little box wrapped up with a bow tied by a well known prophecy teacher or two.

I posted about the convergence of these three timelines exactly upon September 23 2015 because the odds for Jubilees, a Jubilee cycle and O's seven year span falling on this date are impossible to have come by chance.
It means something. Something big.

Issac Newton studied the book of Daniel and concluded the division of the "Weeks" therein was to show 2 comings of Messiah from a decree to rebuild Jerusalem. He came upon this, and the conclusion Israel would have to come back into the land hundreds of years before the restoration of Israel.

The last decree to rebuild Jerusalem was on the day after the 6 Day War.
Count off 49 biblical years (7,7s) from that date and you land on the Day of Atonement 2015 (and the beginning of the final Jubilee for this age).

If that does no fit our chronology what would be the wisest thing to do?
Drive your stakes in deeper and hang on?

Sherry Vance did 2 terrific posts on the Doves last Sunday, along with Kevin N.
They were about the jubilees.
She also compared the experience of Jacob with Laban to Israel today.
Jacob ended up working for Laban 21 years before he left the bondage of Laban.
Israel has labored since 1993 under the Oslo accords for nearly 21 years.
The mistake Sherry made in her post was, she didn't see that Jacob was free of bondage and WENT HOME after the 21 years.
A picture for the fulfillment of the type of Jacob and the year of Release- the Jubilee 2015.

The year of release means it is OVER.

The next event I assume is the Rapture, O already did his mimic of the Triumphant Entry to Jerusalem 2 Springs ago, so that leaves the resurrection mimic this Easter to come, with his false prophet the pope.
And Psalm 83, Ezekiel 38 maybe between now and then.

The 2 witnesses?
Have been here for a while, Dr. David Owuor is one of them.
His ministry is called, "Repentandpreparetheway.org"
He is the highest level prophet on earth right now.
Quite a few vids of him are on youtube.

Actually, Dr. David Owuor is not one of the 2 witnesses. If he's saved, he's going with us when the trumpet blows, as will every other born-again Christian. Only the lost will be left behind to enter the Tribulation. And the 2 witnesses will be no ordinary men. One of them will be Elijah, and there's good reason to believe that the other will be Moses. Moreover, they will not be here on this earth until the Church is gone in the Rapture. They cannot be here while the Church Age is still in progress.

Mike T.,

There's no doubt whatsoever, that the Rapture is Pre Tribulation, for that is the "only" Rapture that truly is "imminent". To this day, many have set "exact dates"of the Lord's coming at the Rapture, and as you know, along with the rest of us, they have all failed. The worst part of this whole scenario, that many had said God had told them...no one should every try to make God look like a liar...who is man/woman, that should lie and say God said it.....LIARS...Satan is the Father of all LIARS...! I pray those that have done so, and they know who they are, repent and ask the Lord for forgiveness...It's a very dangerous situation, if one does not repent.

Jesus told us to watch, so that we wouldn't be unaware of the season of His Coming, and if we did, we would know how close we are to His return for His Bride. In the meantime, while we watch, we are to bring the Gospel (good news) of the Lord's Saving Grace, through His birth, death, & resurrection, along with His coming at the Rapture, an Second Coming to Earth, after the 7 year period or Tribulation. Jesus will return back to Earth with the Saints at that period of time, to fight the battle of Armageddon, and to save the remainder
of people, who will still be alive, especially, His chosen people the Jews.

I believe we are very close now to the Lord's coming at the Rapture, as there has to be a 7 year Tribulation, and the condition the world is at the moment can not last much longer. The horrific, evil, murderous, wars and rumors of wars, and disregard for human life, both here alive on earth, and those of the unborn children, their blood is crying for vengeance. However, although this is terrible on it's own, there is a time coming which will be so horrendous, filled with every evil, violence, debauchery, imaginable, like never was to this day nor ever will be again, according to what the Lord mentioned in these last days.
IT WILL LITERARY LOOK LIKE HELL ON EARTH, DEMONIC FORCES ON THE LOOSE,
DEATH, CARNAGE, PEOPLE WILL DIE OF FEAR JUST WATCHING THINGS COME TO PASS..........It will be like the worst nightmare, or horror movie Hollywood could produce, or imagine. That will be the Tribulation.

We have only had a glimpse of what is about to come on the Horizon...I'm glad
the Lord has not appointed us to wrath; therefore, Look up, our redemption draws nigh. Jesus is coming, don't anyone miss it for the world; for those that
do miss it will regret it.....!

Maranatha!