For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
2 Timothy 4:7-8
For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing .
For a couple of months I have been thinking the 2nd Coming is either 9 months from now or just under 4 years from now. The problem with the latter is the timing for that is beyond the Jubilee.
Sherry Vance had2 great posts on the fivedoves this week showing the Jubilee years, with the next one coming on the above Sept. date.
She is still looking for a 7 year period for the trib. citing the historic pattern of comparing Jacob's trial with Laban to Israel and the Oslo accords in 1993 going 21 years to now.
Where she missed it is Jacob LEFT the bondage of Laban after serving his three 7 year terms. He didn't enter into tribulation after that.
The timeline for the prior Jubilees (1917,1966) lands on the September 23 number she quoted.
The Jubilees are confusing, I thought they were a 50 year cycle but are not. They are 49 years each because the Jubilee is counted as year one of the next 49.
The next cycle converging on that Sept. is the conclusion of the 49 Biblical (360 day) count from the 1967 6 day war, which ends exactly on the 23rd also.
The third count is marked from the covenant the Impostor made on Oct 29 2008 at 8pm. to change the nation and the world if elected.
fulfilling the prophecy of Daniel (the traditional teaching of a treaty between Israel and the AC is NOT found in Daniel)
Again that count is in Jewish prophetic years (like in the book of Revelation- 360 days per yr).
You are wondering where the 2 Wittiness are?
What if one is Dr. Owuor and another one we don't know yet?
I believe we are in the final year of the Trib right now and are leaving imminently.
No, Mike we are not in the final year of the Tribulation. It can't begin until the Church has been evacuated from this planet. And with that said, you need to remember that Rapture Flight to Heaven is a pre-Trib Web site. Post-Trib, mid-Trib, pre-wrath, etc., are not allowed on this forum.
there is no way this is the final year of tribulation. Where is the mark of the beast? I'm buying and selling just fine without it.
The two witnesses, if they were here, would be able to devour their enemies with fire that flows out of their mouths. I don't see that, They will be known all over the world because of their actions.
I don't see a rebuilt temple either
Things are still too good to be in the tribulation
We're definitely not in the tribulation as yet Mike T.
If we were in the final tribulation year, that would mean Jesus would be coming to Earth for the second time, this time to fight the battle of Armageddon and to set up His Kingdom here on Earth in Jerusalem. Where would that put the Rapture? We certainly wouldn't be caught up to meet the Lord in the air for a split second and immediately return, to fight the battle along side Jesus. Some call this a yo yo effect, go up and immediately go down. There would be No time for the wedding in Heaven or the wedding supper if that were the case. It's not an eat and run wedding; we take our time with Jesus. It will be a grand and splendid affair, absolutely divine and out of this world.
We'll be up there with the Lord for 7 Earthly years. Then we will return with the Lord at the end of that period to fight the battle of Armageddon.
Rapture & Second Coming are two separate events. With separate time lines.
I think I'll try and find the explanation for clarification, so you can see the differences. Rapture happens 7 years before the Tribulation & the Second Coming happens after the 7 years of Tribulation have passed. One is a meeting in the air, the Rapture, and the other is the return of Jesus with His Saints to fight the battle of Armageddon, and to set up His kingdom on Earth after the 7 year period.
Kathy & Steve both explained their views which I totally agree with, as they pertain to a Pre Tribulation Rapture, which is the only Rapture that has always to this very day considered imminent.
Look Up Mike T, Kathy & Steve, The Pre Tribulation Rapture is at hand,
then the Tribulation will begin once the Bride is caught up to meet Jesus in the air.
Maranatha!
Valerie
Thanks everyone for straightening me out.
Have you ever considered the Jews of the time of Jesus?
They had the prophecies and tripped over them.
How many of them rightly perceived the prophecies coming to pass right in front of them?
A couple? A few?
The norm is, the prophecy is understood AFTER it comes to pass.
We all like things in a nice little box wrapped up with a bow tied by a well known prophecy teacher or two.
I posted about the convergence of these three timelines exactly upon September 23 2015 because the odds for Jubilees, a Jubilee cycle and O's seven year span falling on this date are impossible to have come by chance.
It means something. Something big.
Issac Newton studied the book of Daniel and concluded the division of the "Weeks" therein was to show 2 comings of Messiah from a decree to rebuild Jerusalem. He came upon this, and the conclusion Israel would have to come back into the land hundreds of years before the restoration of Israel.
The last decree to rebuild Jerusalem was on the day after the 6 Day War.
Count off 49 biblical years (7,7s) from that date and you land on the Day of Atonement 2015 (and the beginning of the final Jubilee for this age).
If that does no fit our chronology what would be the wisest thing to do?
Drive your stakes in deeper and hang on?
Sherry Vance did 2 terrific posts on the Doves last Sunday, along with Kevin N.
They were about the jubilees.
She also compared the experience of Jacob with Laban to Israel today.
Jacob ended up working for Laban 21 years before he left the bondage of Laban.
Israel has labored since 1993 under the Oslo accords for nearly 21 years.
The mistake Sherry made in her post was, she didn't see that Jacob was free of bondage and WENT HOME after the 21 years.
A picture for the fulfillment of the type of Jacob and the year of Release- the Jubilee 2015.
The year of release means it is OVER.
The next event I assume is the Rapture, O already did his mimic of the Triumphant Entry to Jerusalem 2 Springs ago, so that leaves the resurrection mimic this Easter to come, with his false prophet the pope.
And Psalm 83, Ezekiel 38 maybe between now and then.
The 2 witnesses?
Have been here for a while, Dr. David Owuor is one of them.
His ministry is called, "Repentandpreparetheway.org"
He is the highest level prophet on earth right now.
Quite a few vids of him are on youtube.
Actually, Dr. David Owuor is not one of the 2 witnesses. If he's saved, he's going with us when the trumpet blows, as will every other born-again Christian. Only the lost will be left behind to enter the Tribulation. And the 2 witnesses will be no ordinary men. One of them will be Elijah, and there's good reason to believe that the other will be Moses. Moreover, they will not be here on this earth until the Church is gone in the Rapture. They cannot be here while the Church Age is still in progress.
Mike T.,
There's no doubt whatsoever, that the Rapture is Pre Tribulation, for that is the "only" Rapture that truly is "imminent". To this day, many have set "exact dates"of the Lord's coming at the Rapture, and as you know, along with the rest of us, they have all failed. The worst part of this whole scenario, that many had said God had told them...no one should every try to make God look like a liar...who is man/woman, that should lie and say God said it.....LIARS...Satan is the Father of all LIARS...! I pray those that have done so, and they know who they are, repent and ask the Lord for forgiveness...It's a very dangerous situation, if one does not repent.
Jesus told us to watch, so that we wouldn't be unaware of the season of His Coming, and if we did, we would know how close we are to His return for His Bride. In the meantime, while we watch, we are to bring the Gospel (good news) of the Lord's Saving Grace, through His birth, death, & resurrection, along with His coming at the Rapture, an Second Coming to Earth, after the 7 year period or Tribulation. Jesus will return back to Earth with the Saints at that period of time, to fight the battle of Armageddon, and to save the remainder
of people, who will still be alive, especially, His chosen people the Jews.
I believe we are very close now to the Lord's coming at the Rapture, as there has to be a 7 year Tribulation, and the condition the world is at the moment can not last much longer. The horrific, evil, murderous, wars and rumors of wars, and disregard for human life, both here alive on earth, and those of the unborn children, their blood is crying for vengeance. However, although this is terrible on it's own, there is a time coming which will be so horrendous, filled with every evil, violence, debauchery, imaginable, like never was to this day nor ever will be again, according to what the Lord mentioned in these last days.
IT WILL LITERARY LOOK LIKE HELL ON EARTH, DEMONIC FORCES ON THE LOOSE,
DEATH, CARNAGE, PEOPLE WILL DIE OF FEAR JUST WATCHING THINGS COME TO PASS..........It will be like the worst nightmare, or horror movie Hollywood could produce, or imagine. That will be the Tribulation.
We have only had a glimpse of what is about to come on the Horizon...I'm glad
the Lord has not appointed us to wrath; therefore, Look up, our redemption draws nigh. Jesus is coming, don't anyone miss it for the world; for those that
do miss it will regret it.....!
Maranatha!