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Regina
Jul 26, 2014 - 3:54PM
Ezekiel 35 and Edom, the descendants of Esau

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Hello to all. This post is in recognition of the suffering that is going on now at Israel and surrounds.
FYI, here is Ezekiel 35 which talks about and prophesies about Esau's descendants, and also a history briefly of this people and their historical homeland.
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That is why we need Jesus.
Only in Jesus is our own sin forgiven.
Only in Jesus by the work of the Holy Spirit in us are we able to forgive others, to set aside grudges, hatreds, malice, anger, every destructive impulse that separates us from loving one another and loving God.
Out of submission to, and in love to Jesus Christ does peace come.
He is the one who binds up wounds of the heart and sets people free of bondages to sinful nature.
Jesus sets captives free.
The bible says that in the last days, God will pour out His Spirit upon all flesh.
Forgiveness and infilling of the Holy Spirit is available to all who come to Jesus. so if anyone from Israel or surrounding areas sees this, come to Jesus. Accept His gift of forgiveness of all. Be filled with the love of God, with the Holy Spirit of God and turn away from paths that lead to hatred and death. Ask Jesus to forgive and save you today.
He does. John 10:27-30.

Ezekiel 35

1 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,

3 And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate.

4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.

5 Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:

6 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.

7 Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth.

8 And I will fill his mountains with his slain men: in thy hills, and in thy valleys, and in all thy rivers, shall they fall that are slain with the sword.

9 I will make thee perpetual desolations, and thy cities shall not return: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

10 Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:

11 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.

12 And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.

13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.

14 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.

15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.



Bible.ca archeology article about Edomite territory
This article has quite a bit about Esau's descendants. Here is only an excerpt:

Seir was the first inhabitant of the "land of Seir" (Gen 36:30) before the birth of Esau. The Horites were descended from Seir, but the origin of Seir is not recorded in the Bible. There is an extensive list of the descendants of "Seir the Horite" their rulers in Genesis 36:20-30.The etymology of Horite appears to be connected with living in caves. So Seir was a man who lived in caves: "Seir the Horite" or Seir the cave dweller.

The Edomites had their origin in 2000 BC at the birth of Esau. The Edomites were descended from Esau who is the brother of Jacob and son of Isaac. "Now these are the records of the generations of Esau (that is, Edom)." Genesis 36:1; "So Esau lived in the hill country of Seir; Esau is Edom." Genesis 36:8; "These are the chiefs of Edom (that is, Esau, the father of the Edomites), according to their habitations in the land of their possession." Genesis 36:43

In 1920 BC, Esau first moved to Seir (which became the land of Edom) in before the return of Jacob from Laban.

When Esau moved to Seir, he killed off the Horites and took over the land. "The Horites formerly lived in Seir, but the sons of Esau dispossessed them and destroyed them from before them and settled in their place, just as Israel did to the land of their possession which the Lord gave to them.)" Deut 2:12.

Esau had continuous occupation of "Seir" from the time he first moved there in 1920 BC, down to the Exodus in 1446 BC: "just as He did for the sons of Esau, who live in Seir, when He destroyed the Horites from before them; they dispossessed them and settled in their place even to this day." Deuteronomy 2:22

Isaac was born in 2060 BC: Genesis 25:26. Isaac died in 1880 BC: Gen 35:28. Esau and Jacob were born in 2000 BC. Isaac blessed Esau and Jacob in 1923 BC. After Jacob stole the blessing of Esau, he moved away for 21 years to live with Laban. Upon returning Jacob meets Esau at the crossing point of the Jabbok river. This is transjordan. Interesting to note that at this time, Edom already was known to live in Seir: "Please let my lord pass on before his servant, and I will proceed at my leisure, according to the pace of the cattle that are before me and according to the pace of the children, until I come to my lord at Seir." Esau said, "Please let me leave with you some of the people who are with me." But he said, "What need is there? Let me find favor in the sight of my lord." So Esau returned that day on his way to Seir." Genesis 33:14-16 Therefore Esau was already living in "Edom" in 1902 BC when the two brother's reunited after Jacob returned from Laban.

Texas Sue
Jul 26, 2014 - 11:40PM
Re: Ezekiel 35 and Edom, the descendants of Esau

Good article and background, this is very timely. There are several of the minor prophets who also have a similar word against Esau from God for the treatment of Jacob and his offspring.

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Jul 26th, 2014 - 11:40 PM
r
Regina
Jul 27, 2014 - 2:44AM
Re: Ezekiel 35 and Edom, the descendants of Esau

Reading the history and the prophets helps to see the picture, who what where when how why
There is a long history to what is happening now, it is not just about Islam and Palestinians against the Jewish state as current press so often frames the issue. the bottom line is an issue of accepting the God of Israel, accepting His plans for the land and His plans for those who dwell there, or else being against Him.
Sue, Its going to be one huge wake up when the nations who have hated Israel with a perpetual hatred finally see the Lord of glory return, when they realize the issue has always been about submission to God Almighty, the God of Israel



Texas Sue
Jul 27, 2014 - 8:37AM
Re: Ezekiel 35 and Edom, the descendants of Esau

In Romans -


Romans 9:13King James Version (KJV)

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.


In one place, can't remember which minor prophet, God says not one of Esau's descendants will survive. The way the prophecy read it looks like another end time judgment.

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Jul 27th, 2014 - 8:37 AM
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