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New Bible yanks 'Father,' Jesus as 'Son of God'....

NEW BIBLE TRANSLATION INTRODUCED/NOT TO OFFEND MUSLIMS

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Saturday, 04 February 2012 04:22

New Bible yanks 'Father,' Jesus as 'Son of God'

Islam-sensitive project ignites controversy, online petition

By Joel Richardson, WorldNetDaily.com

In the world of questionable and sometimes downright silly Bible translations, one would think that it couldn't get any worse.

After all, we've seen the "In da beginnin' Big Daddy created da heaven an' da earth" Ebonics Bible, as well as the "Apostle's Log" Star Trek English paraphrase Bible. In a more serious effort, the New Oxford Annotated Bible was created in part by pro-"gay" and feminist scholars in order to set forth a more "gay" revisionist interpretation of Scripture.

But now there is a major controversy developing as the latest altered Bibles are being created by organizations that most would think of as being more conservative and reasonable. At the forefront of the controversy are the Wycliffe Bible Translators, the Summer Institute of Linguistics and Frontiers, all of which are producing Bible translations that remove or modify terms which they have deemed offensive to Muslims.

That's right: Muslim-friendly Bibles.

Included in the controversial development is the removal of any references to God as "Father," to Jesus as the "Son" or "the Son of God." One example of such a change can be seen in an Arabic version of the Gospel of Matthew produced and promoted by Frontiers and SIL. It changes Matthew 28:19 from this:

"baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit"

to this:

"cleanse them by water in the name of Allah, his Messiah and his Holy Spirit."

A large number of such Muslim-sensitive translations already are published and well-circulated in several Muslim-majority nations such as Bangladesh, Indonesia and Malaysia.

According to Joshua Lingel of i2 Ministries, "Even more dramatic a change is the Arabic and Bangla (Bangladesh) translations. In Arabic, Bible translations err by translating 'Father' as 'Lord.' 'Guardian.' 'Most High' and 'God." In Bangla, 'Son of God' is mistranslated 'Messiah of God' consistent with the Quran's Isa al-Masih (Jesus the Messiah), which references the merely human Jesus."

In response to these translations, many within the evangelical missions movement as well as many former Muslim converts and indigenous Christians from countries where these translations are being used, are indignant. After numerous appeals have been rejected, a petition has been launched to call for the end to the translations.

More than 3,000 already have signed up.

While the organizations that are promoting these translations are adamant that replacing such terms as Father with Lord or Master best conveys the inspired meaning of the text, many of the indigenous Christian leaders from the countries where these translations are being promoted are broadly rejecting the translations.

The indigenous believers see the introduction of these American-made translations with which they so strongly disagree as a form of American cultural imperialism or colonialism.

According to Turkish pastor Fikret Böcek, such new translations are, "an all-American idea with absolutely no respect for the sacredness of Scripture, or even of the growing Turkish church."

According to the testimony of one leader from a church in Bangladesh, one of the most problematic aspects of this development is that it gives fuel to the often-heard Muslim claim that Christians are liars who change their Bibles to deceive Muslims. Once a Bible translation is well established within any country, the introduction of such radically different translations reinforces the Muslim charge and undermines trust in the Christian community.

According to Lingel, who can be contacted at info@i2ministries.org, the crisis in translation methodology is largely due to "a postmodern literary bias" that has crept into some translation circles in recent decades. Such translations would seem to demand that the divine author of the Bible change rather than the Muslim reader.

"But Jesus demanded that many of his listeners change," says Lingel, explaining that instead of demanding that Muslim readers change their understanding of God, these translations seem to convey that God must accommodate the religious prejudices of Muslims.

"Lingel is also the co-editor of a new book, "Chrislam: How Missionaries Are Promoting an Islamized Gospel," which represents the first major response against Muslim-sensitive translations as well as the larger movement often referred to as the "Insider Movement" or "Chrislam."

According to reports, of the roughly 200 translation projects Wycliffe/SIL linguists have undertaken in Muslim contexts, about 30 or 40 remove the terms father and son with reference to God and Jesus.

Lingel's response is quite direct, "These projects need to be defunded."

Yet according to a recent Forbes "200 Largest U.S. Charities" report, the Orlando-based Wycliffe Bible Translators USA is the third most well-funded religious charity in the states.

Proponents of the Insider Movement claim that this method of reaching Muslims is bearing great fruit. Opponents, however, point out that the so-called converts within the Insider Movement remain "hidden" within their Muslim culture, continue to attend mosque, pray like a Muslim, acknowledge Muhammad as a prophet, the Quran as inspired, and make the Muslim credal confession, known as the "shahada."

Some now claim that there are as many as 300,000-1.2 million new "Insider believers" in Bangladesh. But one former Insider who left the movement and speaks out in Lingel's Chrislam book reports that the number of insiders couldn't be more than 10,000. According to this source, many of the claims are greatly exaggerated so as to bring in more funding from wealthy American missionary organizations.

"Other former Insiders have reported publicly that many Insiders are really Muslims who will do whatever it takes for the jobs and money they are offered by pro-IM ministries to feed their families," Lingel says.

Further questioning the funding and support of well-known Christian organizations of this movement, Lingel recounts, "I have consulted with the leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention on missions and evangelism among Muslims at various times... [Who] stated that there are tens of thousands of Isa al-masih jamaats, or 'Jesus congregations,' in northern Africa. But the members of these jamaats call themselves Muslims, do not believe in the Trinity and believe Muhammad is a prophet of God. Are they Christians or Muslims? Why talk about them in terms of missionary success?"

In response to what many Christians see as a heretical movement based on deception, Lingel's i2 Ministries is in the process of completing a video-based university called Mission Muslims World University, with 40 of the most experienced professors from around the world teaching courses in Muslim ministries, Islamic Studies, apologetics, evangelism and discipleship.

http://www.carylmatrisciana.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=326:new-bible-translation-introducednot-to-offend-muslims&catid=61:chrislam&Itemid=123

Re: New Bible yanks 'Father,' Jesus as 'Son of God'....

This makes my blood boil, this Bible is not Christian at all...take out Jesus, as the Son of God, to please the Muslims, have they gone MAD...these so called translators, and their cohorts need a slap in the head to straighten their dead brains, so that they can start thinking whom they are removing...Jesus our Lord and Savior. Wake up you so called Christian writers, translators, whatever, the Devil has deceived you in this blasphemous act.

Christianity is based on Christ Jesus, our Messiah. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God the Father!
Christians are followers of Christ, His teaching,
His holy written word for He and the Father are one, along with the Holy Spirit. One God in three persons.

Jesus willing came to Earth to died for our sins on the cross so that we could be reconciled unto the Father once again..Jesus is the door to Heaven, there is no other way to enter. These people are trying to destroy the Christian faith with their lies and half truths. God will destroy them if they do not repent of such evil.

Don't support these places and people that do this...write them and tell them you are offended by their actions.

First we have Chrislam,
Now this, a Bible not to offend Muslims!

I'm offended, I'm a Christian and I'm offended that some Christians are so gullible to stoop so low as to go along with this garbage, and actual promote it.

Get Behind me Satan!!!!! Go back to where you came from!!!

This is hierarchy!!!

Don't they know that if you add or take away from God's written word, that the same plagues mentioned in the bible they too shall suffer!!!

Jesus, Come and take us home, we don't belong here anymore; without you, we would be lost. Amen!

Re: New Bible yanks 'Father,' Jesus as 'Son of God'....

AMEN!!!!!!!

Re: New Bible yanks 'Father,' Jesus as 'Son of God'....

This kind of nonsense goes right along with Chrislam! I think it's part of what the following scripture verse was referring to in the last days:
(KJV) 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Changing God's word to accommodate other beliefs and the way people speak is abominable to me. Thanks for letting us know about this Val.

Kevin

Re: New Bible yanks 'Father,' Jesus as 'Son of God'....

What is the name of this repulsive new translation? Just so I'll know what not to read!

Re: New Bible yanks 'Father,' Jesus as 'Son of God'....

Here's what Jesus has to say, re: this matter of that sorry lame excuse for a bible (notice the lowercase of the first letter for that bible?)...

Matthew 10:33 KJV - But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

I believe that there's still other texts relating to Father God in our KJV Bibles too. I'll look for them in my Bible, OK?

Maranatha!
Tammy

Re: New Bible yanks 'Father,' Jesus as 'Son of God'....

AMEN & AMEN Valerie!!! Kevin & SisterNChrist mentioned the verses that came to my mind also!

I also like these verses:

John 10:30 "I and [my] Father are one."

John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?"

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

John 14:11 "Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake."

John 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"


You can NOT separate the HOLY TRINITY...FOR THEY ARE TRULY ONE!!!

YAHWEH, the FATHER...is literally ALL POWER & GLORY...like a "big ball" of PURE ENERGY!!
JESUS literally WALKS OUT OF THAT "BIG BALL" OF POWER & GLORY, IN A PHYSICAL FORM!!
The HOLY SPIRIT is the FATHER YAHWEH, IN SPIRIT FORM...that lives in HIS CHILDREN'S HEARTS!!!!

That's it!! FINAL...SAID & DONE!! JESUS HIMSELF spoke this in TRUTH!!!

Re: New Bible yanks 'Father,' Jesus as 'Son of God'....

AMEN!!! Valerie, Kevin, & B&P4!!!

Maranatha!
Tammy

P.S. Yesterday, I accidentally cut my right index finger with a wrap tie (for which it was bleeding), for which to wrap around bundles of zip ties. Have you too, felt it strange having to use your mouse with a bandaid on your right index finger? If so, then you know where I'm coming from.

Re: New Bible yanks 'Father,' Jesus as 'Son of God'....

I found the following in my late Mother's KJV Bible...

THE PURPOSE OF THE SCRIPTURES

"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book:
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through His name." (John 20:30,31)
"Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee." (Psalm 119:11)
"Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." (Psalm 119:105)
"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope." (Romans 15:4)
John 5:39; 1 Peter 3:15; Isaiah 8:20; 1 Peter 1:22-25; John 8:31,32; Acts 20:32.


MAN IS NOT TO ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM THE SCRIPTURES

The First Part

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandment of the Lord your God which I command you." (Deut. 4:2)

The Middle

"Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto His words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." (Proverbs 30:5,6.)

The Last Part

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18,19)


If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (John 10:35)

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. (Isaiah 55:11)

The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. (Jeremiah 23:28)

The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. (Isaiah 40:7,8.)


Maranatha!
Tammy

Re: New Bible yanks 'Father,' Jesus as 'Son of God'....

I found this, thanks to Ed Hindson's sermon...

Revelation 22:18, 19 (KJV) - For I testify unto every man that heareth the Words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


So, guess that that completely settles that, re: the topic of this opening post thread. For the writers of that NB have already sealed their fate.

Maranatha!
Tammy