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Jul 26, 2011 - 11:45PM

conversation from RITA about summer fruit harvest

Guys this is a conversation that me and another RITA member are having, well it's not a coversation yet,cause I have not received a reply yet, but tell me what you think about this, cause as I was typing my reply I was getting them Holy Ghost confirmation doo-dads all over..

P.s. There are two post here and mine is the last one..

Fair use for conversation and discussion purposes..

Hi all,

Micah 7:1-7 was recently brought to my attention on another thread. I found that this chapter presented an interesting pretrib rapture and tribulation time frame. So I decided to do a little study on it and the summer fruit harvest.

"What misery is mine! I am like one who gathers summer fruit at the gleaning of the vineyard;

there is no cluster of grapes to eat, none of the early that I crave. The godly have been swept from the land; not one upright man remains. All men lie in wait to shed blood; each hunts his brother with a net. Both hands are skilled in doing evil; the ruler demands gifts, the judge accepts bribes,

the powerful dictate what they desire—

they all conspire together.

The best of them is like a brier, the most upright worse than a thorn. The day of your watchmen has come, the day God visits you. Now is the time of their confusion. Do not trust a neighbor; put no confidence in a friend. Even with her who lies in your embrace be careful of your words. For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies are the members of his own household. But as for me, I watch in hope for the Lord, I wait for God my Savior; my God will hear me."

I did some research on summer fruit harvests; it is mentioned several times in the bible. Each time, it si in reference to judgement. Everytime the summer harvest is mentioned, judgement is not far behind. Here are a few verses:

1. “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near.” Matthew 24:32

2. “ This is what the Lord God showed me: behold, a basket of summer fruit. And he said, “Amos, what do you see?” And I said, “A basket of summer fruit.” Then the Lord said to me, “The end has come upon my people Israel; I will never again pass by them. The songs of the temple shall become wailings in that day,” declares the Lord God.” Amos 8:1-3

( 8:2 The Hebrew words for end and summer fruit sound alike)

3. "In the streets they cry out for wine; all joy turns to gloom, all gaiety is banished from the earth.The city is left in ruins, its gate is battered to pieces. So will it be on the earth among the nations, as when an olive tree is beaten, or as when gleanings are left after the grape harvest. Isaiah 24:11-13

4. "Wake up, you drunkards, and weep! Wail, all you drinkers of wine; wail because of the new wine, for it has been snatched from your lips. A nation has invaded my land, powerful and without number; it has the teeth of a lion, the fangs of a lioness. It has laid waste my vines and ruined my fig trees. It has stripped off their bark and thrown it away, leaving their branches white. Mourn like a virgin in sackcloth grieving for the husband of her youth. Grain offerings and drink offerings are cut off from the house of the Lord. The priests are in mourning, those who minister before the Lord. The fields are ruined, the ground is dried up; the grain is destroyed, the new wine is dried up, the oil fails.

Despair, you farmers, wail, you vine growers; grieve for the wheat and the barley, because the harvest of the field is destroyed. Joel 1: 5-11

I believe these verse signal the rapture of the church just before the beginning of the tribulation. Notice in Joel 1, how the new wine and oil are specifically mentioned. The Holy spirit is often signified by "new wine"(eph 5:18, acts 2:13, luke 5:36-3 As we all know, the restrainer aka. the Holy spirit must be taken out of the way before the tribulation kicks off....and if the Holy spirit goes, so does the church. Without the church, Israel is truly alone in this evil, wicked world. Thus it would make sense that after the Spirit and the church is removed, the seal judgements will begin and thus the tribulation...here is abit of information regarding the time of the fruit harvests:

The summer harvest

After Pentecost, most of the harvest was fruit: grapes, olives, dates, figs, pomegranates and numerous fruits, seeds and vegetables of less importance.

Now let's look at the major crops after Pentecost. Grapes were the first major crop to ripen: "In a good year, when the [grain] yield was great, threshing and grape picking overlapped" (page 62). That would be in June, technically in spring, since summer doesn't officially start until the solstice, about June 22.

The importance of grapes and olives is illustrated by the fact that the Essenes had wine and oil firstfruits festivals similar to the biblical firstfruits offering for grain. These festivals also indicate the relative timing of these crops. The new wine festival came 50 days or seven weeks after Pentecost. Until new wine was offered, no one could drink any of the new juice (Temple Scroll, columns 19-21). Fourteen weeks after Pentecost, shortly before the Feast of Trumpets, was the new olive oil festival. No one could use new olives until some oil had been offered (columns 21-22).

The grape harvest was usually completed before Tabernacles, but most of the olive harvest came after the autumn Holy Days."

For more:http://www.gci.org/law/festivals/harvest

* HEAR IS WHERE MY REPLY STARTS *

Ohodijia I really enjoyed reading your study and I was wondering what you sense in your spirit about this>>> Your quote below really popped out at me, I wondered when the 50 days would occur this year so I went and counted, and including the day of Pentecost the 50 days would end on July 31st

Quote>>The new wine festival came 50 days or seven weeks after Pentecost. Until new wine was offered, no one could drink any of the new juice.<

The reason this quote popped out at me is because every since that I have been studying the bible, when I come across Mark 14:25 .

I get a check in my spirit as if the Holy Spirit is trying to give me a clue or hint , that this will mean something to me someday...

Mark 14:25 verily I say to you,I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine,until the day that I drink it new in the Kingdom of God. * here he is signifying that it will be new wine *.... is he also saying that this is the first thing we will do together?

Then check out how this also parellels the Hebrew wedding.

There are two cups of wine :

The 1st cup of the Covenant
Is shared at the time the Covenant is made before the Groom leaves to prepare the place for the bride.

The blessing of the cup of wine is an important element of the ancient and modern Jewish wedding. The Bride and groom share the cup, symbolizing the shared life that would be theirs.

A second cup of wine will be shared many months later. This is the cup of joy!

The Second Cup:
When the bride is brought to her new home,after the emergence from the Huppah (The Second cup is drunk) the cup of joy , The marriage is complete! And sealed forever.

I also have another question when does Pentecost or the feast of weeks offically end?

I have recently heard that it does not end until July 31st this year, I know that the actual day of Pentecost was on June 12th this year and Pentecost is the middle feast as well as the middle candle stick, and July 31st is the middle day dividing the period from Passover to Tabernacles..

Waiting for insights from anyone ;)

http://www.raptureintheairnow.com/possible-timing-of-the-rapture/summer-fruit-harvest-more-evidence-for-an-augsept-rapture