ALL:

Kasey reported that, yesterday ( 5/18/11 ), her daughter heard
a Shofar blow 3 times after asking “God in her heart to give her
a sign that He was coming soon and if she will go at the rapture.”

Hmmmm….., May 21 would be “3” days later!!!

Then, SisterNChrist said she also heard a Shofar sound on the
eve of the “Concepcion”, Chile 8.8 earthquake!!!!!

Magnitude 8.8 - OFFSHORE BIO-BIO, CHILE

LINK

Date-Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 at 06:34:14 UTC
Distances: 105 km (65 miles) NNE of Concepcion, Chile
Parameters: NST=391, Nph=391

I decided to just “look” and see how far away that was. One
reason was Kelly’s vision:

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Kelly (6 Oct 2005)
"A VISION OF THE BRIDEGROOM AND THE EIGHTS"

As an approaching storm was on the horizon, the clouds
started changing shapes rapidly with the wind, and I noticed
a strange cloud. The cloud started to morph into the face of
Yeshua on his back....then it changed into the face of a
roaring lion. Out of the morphing came a hand that was made
of flesh and bone not cloud shaped. In the hand was the infinity
symbol ( a sideways shaped numeral 8 ) A voice said, I HAVE
NO BEGINNING, I HAVE NO END, I AM. Then the symbol
turned on it's end to resemble the numeral 8. The eight split
on both sides and became three eights-888 and they revolved
around each other. The voice I heard speaking said, "FIND
THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE THREE EIGHTS."

End of vision.

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FROM: Saturday, February 27, 2010 - 8.8 "Concepcion" quake
TO: Saturday, May 21, 2011 - ????
IT IS: 448 days
OR: 64 weeks
4 X 4 X 4 = 64
OR: 64 weeks = 8 X 8 weeks

This also becomes interesting because, on the FULL MOON
date of 5/17, we were 444 ( 444 = “all truth, that revealed and
that not yet revealed” ) days from that quake. The FULL MOON
on 5/17/11 was the 99th ( 99 = Greek gematria of “AMEN” )
FULL MOON from the Scorpion Moon Eclipse over DC on
5/15-16/03 as the U.S. entered Iraq!!!

Soooo…..

“Hopefully”, this 8X8 weeks will have something to do with our
“NEW BIRTH / RE-BIRTH / RAPTURE" of Revelation 12:5!!!!!!!!

Let me just say something else……..

Almost NOBODY is saying anything about May 21st being a
“Jewish Sabbath”!!! When the Christians are gone, the 144,000
Jews ( 12,000 from each tribe – Revelation 7 ) “TAKE OVER” the
spreading of the Gospel throughout the Earth ( to, I’m sure, the
MUCH DIS-pleasure of the AC )!!!

The 8.8 just HAPPENED to be also on a Jewish Sabbath and
that would be 4X4X4 ( or 64 ) Jewish Sabbaths!!!

At the time of the 8.8 quake, the moon was moving into Leo, the
Lion of the tribe of Judah!!!



COME, LORD JESUS!!!!!!!

Calvin

PS:

We MIGHT even ask the question, "Was the 8.8 quake some "type"
of MIDNIGHT CRY!!!??"

I believe the “mystery of God” ( Revelation 10:7 ) is the RAPTURE!!!
This 8.8 may have been a type of “SHOUT” as well!!! The "location"
of the quake ( partly on land / partly in the sea ) is MUCH like the
feet of the angel who shouted!!!



Revelation 10
The Angel and the Little Scroll

1 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He
was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was
ike the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2 He was holding
a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot
on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3 AND HE GAVE A LOUD
SHOUT LIKE THE ROAR OF A LION. When he shouted, the voices
of the seven thunders spoke. 4 And when the seven thunders spoke,
I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up
what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”

5 Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land
raised his right hand to heaven. 6 And he swore by him who lives
for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them,
the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and
said, “There will be no more delay! 7 But in the days WHEN THE
SEVENTH ANGEL IS ABOUT TO SOUND HIS TRUMPET, THE
MYSTERY OF GOD WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED, just as he
announced to his servants the prophets.”


1 Corinthians 15
51 Listen, I tell you a MYSTERY ( “THE RAPTURE” ): We will
not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the
twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will
sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be
changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the
imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the
perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the
mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will
come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”

The “SHOUT” mentioned in Revelation 10 is the same “SHOUT”
mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4 where the Lord uses the voice
of the archangel or commanding angel to signify that something
VERY significant is about to happen over ALL the face of the Earth!!!


1 Thessalonians 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and
the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and
remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to
meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Actually, the Rapture shout is previewed in Revelation 4:1. From Chapter 4 onward, the Church is not even mentioned till near the end of the Book of Revelation.

Personally, I do NOT believe that the Book of Revelation is
written in some easy "chronological order". I believe that the
Book of Revelation itself has “pieces” laying around like the
pieces of a puzzle that can be fit together. They have to be fit
together by the Holy Spirit. God wanted to keep the Book of
Revelation as somewhat of a “MYSTERY” just like the rapture
is a "MYSTERY" so that we would have to "DIG IT OUT"!!! God
did NOT want a simple explanation of the rapture "OR" the Book
of Revelation. He wants us to fear Him enough to dig out His
meaning to things. As the Bible says in Proverbs 25:2, “It is
the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is
the glory of kings.”

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We escape “Death”!!! "O" manifested as Tribulation entered (from his own dream)!!

ALL:

As I was watching this gentleman’s video a few days ago, I noticed
that at 7 minutes into the YouTube of his teaching - where he was
reading from 1 Corinthians 15 - he made a VERY valuable point.

Go to 7 minutes in and listen:

Rapture Watch !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OgK6P1ZTJc&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

LINK

1 Corinthians 15
50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood
cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable
inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We
will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash,
in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet
will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be
changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the
imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the
perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the
mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will
come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”

56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our
Lord Jesus Christ.

Death, death, death, death is what we escape from at the rapture!!!

I have NOT really thought of that that much!!!

We escape “DEATH”!!! We escape “DEATH”!!!

“WHAT" will be going on down here on Earth “AFTER” the rapture?

Will there be “DEATH”? Here is only a part of what Jesus said:

Matthew 24
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to
DEATH, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will
betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will
appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase
of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one
who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of
the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony
to all nations, and then the end will come.
........

21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the
beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

Revelation 13
8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose
names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb
who was slain from the creation of the world.

9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.

10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”

This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part
of God’s people.
....
15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the
image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and
cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor,
free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on
their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless
they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the
number of its name.

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight
calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a
man. That number is 666.

The ABOVE will be an AWFUL TIME to be the AC's enemy!!!

Below is a calculation from this morning's post. What I found
concerning the “END OF WATCH” and the “END OF MAY” /
“BEGINNING OF JUNE”, 2011:

FROM: September 11-12, 1998 – Jesus’ 2000th “Earthly”
birthday, moon occults Aldebaran, the bull’s ( Taurus' ) eye
TO: June 1-2, 2011 – moon passing Aldebaran;
June 2 = Ascension Day
IT IS: 4646 days
4646 days = 170 "sidereal moons"
6/2/11 = 170th time the moon passes Aldebaran from 9/11/98
17 = “VICTORY”
170 = “VICTORY AMPLIFIED”
46 = SECOND DEATH or twice 23, the first death; 23 = death

Sooo, “What does that date of Jesus’ 2000th 'Earthly' birthday
have to do with things?" I can't really "PROVE" anything great
from just these numbers, BUT, if you are watching the signs,
you "MIGHT" be able to put together what I am thinking!!!

Another example from Jesus’ 2000th “Earthly” birthday:

From: Sat., Sept. 12, 1998 – Jesus’ 2000th “Earthly” birthday
To: Wed., Oct. 29, 2008 – 7th seal opened ( “authority given” )
It is 3700 days
37 = “the Word of God”
100 = “the election; the children of the promise”

What I’m going to “write” is NOT really something anybody
else adheres to, BUT, I believe it has credence.

Personally, I believe that the “seals” in Revelation are like
“Certificates of Authority” given out for a "future" work or a
"future" manifestation. Seals are NOT the manifestations
but only the "authority". I believe "O" was given "authority"

( 7th seal was opened ) to do what he “will” do in the future.

This is my explanation of the seals and trumpets:

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REVELATION 6 - The Opening of the Seals – “Certificates of Authority” given to angels

What you are going to "see" as you read Chapter 6 are 6 seals being opened. The seals are certificates of authority to carry out things on this earth. The trumpets (which we will get to just a little further) are the actual physical manifestations of the authority of the seals. Nothing happens on this earth until the angels (who have received these seals just like a work order from God) are released by God to perform His work at the appropriate time. There are 7 seals of authority or work orders given out to 7 angels. These are the very same angels who will carry out the 7 trumpets or the physical manifestations of the "seals" upon the earth.

Just prior to the angels starting to actually use their powers that the seals gives them over the earth to perform these judgments, the 7th seal WILL be opened. these ceremonies are happening in heaven prior to things starting to happen on earth!!!

When doctors receive their diplomas to practice medicine, they do so at a ceremony. In this ceremony, each graduating doctor is given a diploma which authorizes that they are certified to practice medicine. This ceremony and this diploma are NOT the practice as much as the “rights” to practice at a future time. In the same ceremony, there will be doctors given a diploma which allows them to practice internal medicine and there will be doctors given diplomas to practice physical therapy. They will not have the same rights. Chapter 6 of Revelation is the graduation ceremony and the seals that are given out are the like the diplomas these doctors receive.

In Revelation 6:2, there is described a rider on a white horse. The power released through the opening of this seal was a political type of power and he was described as "a conqueror bent on conquest". This rider held a bow but had no arrows. The antichrist will be a person who comes in with a more sinister agenda than will appear on the surface. His agenda will be the agenda of Satan. His agenda will be to take as many to hell as possible but in order to more craftily do this, he is going to appear as a man of peace; a man able to give the Earth great peace. We who are Christians have the only peace that "passeth all understanding" (Philippians 4:7) but there are many, many people who will fall for his ideas in order to gain a "type" of worldly peace offered by the antichrist.

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Personally, I do NOT believe that the Book of Revelation is
written in some easy "chronological order". I believe that the
Book of Revelation itself has “pieces” laying around like the
pieces of a puzzle that can be fit together. They have to be fit
together by the Holy Spirit. God wanted to keep the Book of
Revelation as somewhat of a “MYSTERY” just like the rapture
is a "MYSTERY" so that we would have to "DIG IT OUT"!!! God
did NOT want a simple explanation of the rapture "OR" the Book
of Revelation. He wants us to fear Him enough to dig out His
meaning to things. As the Bible says in Proverbs 25:2, “It is
the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is
the glory of kings.”

Revelation 10
5 Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on
the land raised his right hand to heaven. 6 And he swore
by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens
and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the
sea and all that is in it, and said, “There will be no more delay!
7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound
his trumpet, the MYSTERY of God ( “THE RAPTURE” ) will
be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the
prophets.”

1 Corinthians 15
51 Listen, I tell you a MYSTERY ( “THE RAPTURE” ): We will
not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the
twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will
sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be
changed.

One more time….

Ron Reese was told that Revelation 8:1 happened on Wednesday,
October 29, 2008. Obama's "half an hour" campaign speech, Ron
says, "IS" recorded in Revelation 8:1.

Revelation 8:1
When he opened the seventh seal, there was
silence in heaven for about half an hour.

Soooo, this also "FITS" my description of this “seal” and means
that “O” has NOT yet received the FULL MANIFESTATION of his
“destiny”!!!I Personally, I believe he rules ( as the AC ) on the
Earth during the Tribulation!!!!

Let me make this clear....

I believe the "angels" have their "certificates of authority" ( "been
sealed" ). I also believe the AC ( "O" ) was given his "certificate
of authority" ( given his "seal" ) on 10/29/08.

Now..........

Since NO trumpets ( trumpet judgments ) have yet manifested,
they BEGIN to manifest "AT" the time the AC becomes "revealed"
or "MANIFESTED". This is "AS" we are raptured AND is the same
time that the "first" angel was loosed to release the first "trumpet"
and on and on....

So this..........

II Thessalonians:2 (Amplified Bible)
3 Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, FOR THAT
DAY WILL NOT COME EXCEPT THE APOSTASY COMES
FIRST [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have
professed to be Christians has come], AND THE MAN OF
LAWLESSNESS (sin) IS REVEALED, who is the son of doom
(of perdition), 4 WHO OPPOSES AND EXALTS HIMSELF SO
PROUDLY AND INSOLENTLY AGAINST AND OVER ALL
THAT IS CALLED GOD OR THAT IS WORSHIPED, [even to
his actually] taking his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming
that he himself is God.

..........is showing the "REVEALING" of the AC as the trumpets
start:

Revelation 8
1 When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in
heaven for about half an hour.

2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and
seven trumpets were given to them.

3 Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood
at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers
of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne.
4 The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of God’s
people, went up before God from the angel’s hand. 5 Then the
angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled
it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings,
flashes of lightning and an earthquake.

The Trumpets

6 Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared
to sound them.

7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and
fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third
of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up,
and all the green grass was burned up.

8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a
huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the
sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea
died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

etc., etc., etc...............

It is ALL fitting together!!!!!! NONE of the MANIFESTATIONS
( or "trumpets" ) have yet occurred!!! I believe the "powers" or
"Certificates or Authority" / "seals" have been given and NOW
the "trumpet judgments" ( which bring SO MUCH "DEATH" to

the Earth ) are about to start!!!!!!!

Just like we see 4646 ( double 23 double 23; 23 = “DEATH” ) when
we figure from Jesus’ 2000th “Earthly” birthday, ALSO, when we
figure from that date to when this 7th seal was given or “O’s” power
“given” to him ( and, you may say, “from Heaven” ), we can "see"
that number "37" ( "the Word of God" ) and and also the number
"100" ( "the elect; children of the promise" ).

FROM: September 11-12, 1998 – Jesus’ 2000th “Earthly”
birthday, moon occults Aldebaran, the bull’s ( Taurus' ) eye
TO: June 1-2, 2011 – moon passing Aldebaran;
June 2 = Ascension Day
IT IS: 4646 days
4646 days = 170 "sidereal moons"
6/2/11 = 170th time the moon passes Aldebaran from 9/11/98
17 = “VICTORY”
170 = “VICTORY AMPLIFIED”
46 = SECOND DEATH or twice 23, the first death; 23 = death

From: Sat., Sept. 12, 1998 – Jesus’ 2000th “Earthly” birthday
To: Wed., Oct. 29, 2008 – 7th seal opened ( “authority given” )
It is 3700 days
37 = “the Word of God”
100 = “the election; the children of the promise”

Are the “children of the promise” watching?

Revelation 3
To the Church in Philadelphia

11 I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no
one will take your crown. 12 The one who is victorious I will
make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they
leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name
of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming
down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them
my new name. 13 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the
Spirit says to the churches.

BLESSINGS AND “WATCH”!!!!!!!

Calvin

PS:

I recommend watching all 4 of this gentleman’s videos:

LINK

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NOTES:

These are OUTSTANDING teachings about Obama from William Tapley!!! At the time that he presented these ( in 2010 ), he did NOT know ( and maybe still doesn't ) or believe that "O" would be the HUGE FIGURE that "rules" the Tribulation ( dark time )!!!

Barack Obama's Amazing Prophetic Dream

LINK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDaIZbUttks



Obama's Amazing Dream Prophesies His Own Downfall pt. 2

LINK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpxLS9NjToM




Obama will have the technological “means” to RULE as not other tyrant in the history of the world. He will rule over others with the FULL THREAT OF “DEATH” at his fingertips for those who do NOT wish to follow his satanic precepts. Yes, in the END he will perish by Jesus’ Hand. Obama's "HORRIBLE END" was, most likely, what he saw that caused him such FRIGHT at the end of his dream!!!!!!!



Revelation 13
The Beast out of the Sea

1 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”

5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.

10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”

This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.
The Beast out of the Earth

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.

Revelation 19

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

You know, Calvin, Hal Lindsey has had some good things to say about this very subject. And since he is a Bible prophecy expert whose word I trust, I can think of no better resource with which to respond than a book that he wrote on this very subject, which came out back in 1983: The Rapture: Truth or Consequences.

In Chapter 6: "Revelation's Chronology and the Rapture," and Chapter 7: "Other Relevant Revelation Passages," he talks about this very subject we've raised. Throughout his book, he's taking on the mid- and post-Tribulationists, proving that the Rapture is pre-Trib, but what he has to say in these 2 chapters applies considerably to what we're talking about in this thread. I'm going to quote him directly, beginning with these excerpts from Chapter 7:
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The Divine Outline

The fourth key to interpreting Revelation is the outline that Jesus gave John at the time He commissioned him to write it. Actually, the Lord Jesus instructed the apostle exactly how he was to structure the book:

"Write therefore the things you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall take place after these things. (Revelation 1:19)

In checking commentaries on the book of Revelation written from some two centuries ago until the present, I found that the vast majority of writers recognized that Revelation 1:19 is intended to be the outline of the book. It is obvious to any interpreter who takes the book normally and believes it at face value. This is of considerable importance because most post-Tribulationists try to explain this outline away so that they can strengthen their case for the Church being in the Tribulation.

The Things Which You Have Seen

This covers Chapter 1, where John describes the risen Lord Jesus' appearance to him and the phenomena that occurred during that visitation. It is described with a past tense.

The Things Which Are

This describes Chapters 2 and 3. These chapters are described by a present tense of the verb for being (eimi in the Greek) which stresses the present state of things in history. I believe, along with many scholars, that these seven letters were not only written to seven literal churches with real problems, but also that they have a prophetic application to Church history.

Many factors convinced me of this interpration. First, why were these seven churches selected? There were hundreds of other churches in Asia at this time. There were thousands of churches worldwide. So why just these particular seven?

Second, why were these seven churches arranged in this order?

Third, why were the conditions in the churches arranged in such a a way that they describe discernible successive epochs of Church history accurately?

Fourth, why place seven practical letters of instruction to churches in this book and in this position if they have no prophetic application?

I believe that these seven churches were selected and arranged by our omniscient Lord because they had problems and characteristics that would prophesy seven stages of history through which the Church universal would pass.

The Things Which Shall Take Place After These Things

This third division of the book's Divinely given outline is clearly intended to convey future things to the events covered by the first and second divisions. The future tense of the verb ginomai contrasts sharply with the present tense of the verb eimi used for the previous sections. The idea is "what shall come to be after these things." This statement obviously describes things that will occur after the first two sections.

"These things" is the translation of the Greek words . This phrase is first used in Chapter 1:19, and not used again until Chapter 4, Verse 1. It clearly indicates that there is a shift into future things under different conditions from those described in the first three chapters, and that this is the place where the outline begins its futuristic phase.

That this is a shift to things to come future to the Church age described in Chapters 2 and 3 is apparent because of these factors:

First, as I just mentioned, Chapter 4, Verse 1 is the first place that is used after it is given the special meaning in Chapter 1, Verse 19. Therefore, as the antecedent of that special meaning in Chapter 1, Verse 19, it must be understood as the place where the outline shifts to things that are future to the first two parts of the outline.

Second, in Chapter 4, Verse 1, is used twice. A voice from heaven leaves no doubt as to its meaning in the latter part of Verse 1, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things."

Third, John is caught up to heaven to see things that are definitely future to our present experience.

Fourth, not one reference is made again concerning the Church on earth until after the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. Since the Church is mentioned nineteen times in the first three chapters under the divine outline of "the things which are," and since the Church is not mentioned or implied as being on earth even once after the statement,"Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things," I conclude that it is the end of the Church age that is meant here, and that the Church is in heaven thereafter until it returns as the bride of Christ in Revelation 19:7-14.

An Amazing Similarity

The similarity of the terminology used in both1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and Revelation 4:1-2 supports the contention that the Church is taken to heaven here. Both passages speak of a trumpet sounding, and a shout of command, of being caught up to heaven, and of an instantaneous translation of the believer. I believe, along with many scholars, that the apostle John's experience here is meant to be a prophetic preview of what the living Church will experience in the Rapture.

Revelation's Order of Judgments

By far the most important aspect of intepreting Revelation is just how the seven Seal judgments, Trumpet judgments, and Bowl judgments relate to each other.

If the judgments occur in consecutive order, then it tends to support the pre-Tribulation Rapture. The following chart illustrates the way I believe they occur.

If the judgments are concurrent, then it tends to support the mid- and post-Tribulation views. The chart below illustrates Gundry's view of the order of the judgments.

Since the post-Tribulationists agree that the Church cannot suffer Divine wrath, they have to jam as many of the severe judgments as possible into the short time frame of the actual second coming. If it can be demonstrated that Divine wrath falls on the earth prior to the second coming, then their theory contradicts itself. (pp. 102-106)

Whatever is the order of judgments, it has to fit into the whole pattern of Tribulation events predicted in the other prophetic passages of the Bible. I do not believe that the post-Tribulationists' scheme of Revelation's chronology can be harmonized with either the rest of the Biblical Tribulation prophecies or those of Revelation. (p. 107)

The bowl judgments occur in very rapid succession. In terms of magnitude and scope, they are unprecedented. Whereas the trumpet judgments, for instance, destroyed a third of life in the sea, the bowl judgment destroys all life in the sea (16:4).

I believe that a normal analysis of the structure of Revelation leads to the conclusion that the three series of judgments are consecutive to each other, and that the seventh judgment of the first two series simply introduces the next series. In other words, the are somewhat telescopic to each other as previously illustrated in my chart on page 106.

There is a strong Semitic style of writing in the book of Revelation. This is evidenced by the many historical-prophetic cameos that explain why certain things happened in history and culminate in the Tribulation.

These cameos are interspersed in the chronological unfolding of the seven years in the form of the three series of judgments. In true Semitic style, history is moved forward a bit, then explanatory sections that flash both backwards and forwards in time are added. Then history is moved forward again, etc. (pp. 113-14)

As we have seen, the Semitic style is evident in the historic-prophetic cameos. But it doesn't require a concurrent arrangement of judgments. This has to be established on other grounds, because it assumes the conclusion. (p. 114)
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The Bride in Heaven

The Church doesn't specifically reappear until just before the second coming of Christ to the earth in Revelation 19:7-16. As previously mentioned, the bride is in heaen already rewarded and prepared for the great wedding feast. The Lord Jesus Christ begins His second coming to earth.

The bride of Christ then accompanies Him to the earth on white horses wearing the white robes of her righteous deeds.

The post-Tribulationists have to go all out to try and explain away the sequence of events in this passage. Concerning this passage Ladd says, "So the vision of the bride prepared for the wedding is prophetic. In vision, John sees the bride ready for the marriage, but this is not a vision depicting either the saints in heaven in the intermediate state or the Church in heaven prior to the return of Christ. It is a vision of what shall be after Christ returns. Then will occur the resurrection of the dead in Christ, both saints and martyrs (20:4). The final proof that this is a prophetic vision is the fact that the dead in Christ are not yet raised, their resurrection occurs after the return of Christ (20:4)." [George E. Ladd, The Blessed Hope (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans Pub. Com., 1956), p. 102]

Ladd has not only to do violence to the immediate context of Revelation 19:7-16 to come up with such a farfetched interpretation, but he also has to do damage to the whole structure of the book of Revelation.

First of all, there is a chronological sequence of evetns in Revelation Chapter 19. The bride of Christ not only is seen in heaven already prepared for her wedding feast, but afterward the same bride returns with Christ in His second advent to earth (19:4).

Second, the book of Revelation moves through the Tribulation in a definite chronological order except for the interludes where the cameo sections explain the history and future of the personalities, organizations, and events that culminate in the book. When Ladd says that John sees "the bride of Christ [the Church] in vision, he seems to think that this eliminates any necessity for following the normal, chronological and temporal sequences that are established throughout the book. What Ladd doesn't recognize here is that the whole book of Revelation is a vision. But that doesn't remove the fact that the visions have a definite chronological sequence. If this logic is followed throughout the book, it would reduce it to an illogical, incoherent collection of visions that cannot possibly be understood.

Third, Ladd's own quote brings out the error of his interpretation. In fact, it is an extremely strong evidence for the Church's Rapture long before the second advent of Christ. (pp. 126-27)
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Did you notice that, Calvin? Hal says that "But that doesn't remove the fact that the visions have a definite chronological sequence. If this logic is followed throughout the book, it would reduce it to an illogical, incoherent collection of visions that cannot possibly be understood." The Book of Revelation does follow a chronological format; a format that is periodically interrupted by those cameos that Hal mentioned. Any other intepretation reduces the entire book into an illogical mass that none of us could ever make any sense of. And that makes a case for what I've said: that the Church is not mentioned again after Chapter 3 until Revelation 19. Therefore, the numberless multitude mentioned in Revelation 7: 9-17 cannot be the Raptured Church, but rather consists of the marytred Tribulation believers. Likewise, the passage in Chapter 10 does not have to do with our Rapture, because by the time that angel does the job explained in Chapter 10, the Rapture will have long since happened. In fact, our departure in the Rapture is previewed in Chapter 4, Verse 1.


Kathy G.

Kathy:

Well, just because they are "experts" does NOT mean that they can't be "WRONG", as well.

You can re-publish whatever!!!

I LOVE Hal Linsey, J. R. Church, John Hagee, etc. who may also say that Revelation "IS" chronological, BUT, I also love my mother whom I disagree with a LOT!!! But, I may AGREE 95% of the time with these "experts" on most things.

No, I do NOT believe that Revelation is written "chronolically" and for the reasons that I gave but we could argue and write forever!!!

By the way, my prophecy partner ( who is FAR BETTER VERSED on prophecy and has probably read ALL THEIR BOOKS ) also agrees with me on this!!!

BLESSINGS!!!!

Calvin

Yes, we could, Calvin. All I can say, at this point, is that I can only stand by what I have said, and for the reasons that I have given. What you and your prophecy partner both believe gives us no way to make any coherent sense of what Revelation is trying to teach us. To be Biblical, any interpretation given has to make at least some degree of intelligible sense to the average reader, because God is not the author of confusion.

And on that note, let's end the debate here. We've both made our points.