JR,
I have linked to www.muzieklijstjes.nl, where the OOR lists are much longer. While I agree that the ordering system at www.muzieklijstjes.nl is not the best (votes are considered more important than points), this is not a big deal. What would be interesting to know is how the albums are actually ordered in the OOR magazine. Anyone who knows?
I was looking at the OOR top 10 for 2000 as posted at rocklist- it had Cash and M's albums in reverse order (6 and 7)- I see they're listed as M at 6 and Cash at 7 on the link provided. One position isn't a big deal. I it a bit much, though, for a single publication to list 300 albums for a given year, though!
I found two singles that don't have the info from Eye Weekly's 1999 poll included in their list info- TLC's "No Scrubs" and Madonna's "Beautiful Stranger." The others that are listed in the top 31 for 1999 look to have the info included.
I forgot about your comment about the Wire's end of year lists. I agree that the albums are not completely unordered, but how should I rank them if the albums are not numbered? It seems to me that my current solution is as good as any.
This may or may not be an error, and may just be my clouded memory -- but didn't the Monks' Black Monk Time used to be in the album list? It isn't anymore. I seem to recall it having a decent placing, but then again I may just be remembering wrong....
Maybe I missed something, but it appears that the 2004 singles list (and 2003's "Maps") omit Spin magazine's list of the best singles of 2004. Rocklist.net has them up on the site, maybe it's gonna be part of the next update or something, but FYI, you know
supposedly is from one critic (though I'm not sure how the decision was made, as each year, a single name has appeared- or at least has for more than the last two years). However, that may have to do with the writing, as the selections do come with commentary (so that may be credit to that writer for that).
Catch a Fire: I had seen information that it was released in Jamaica in 1972, before it was released in the rest of the world. However, now I checked this more carefully and the most trustful sources say it was only recorded in Jamaica in 1972, so I agree with you and will change this in the next update.
Black Monk Time: This album has appeared in the list, but in the lower region and is now bubbling under.
Spin lists: Thanks JR for the explanation. End of year lists from single critics are not included.
The two Crowded House songs included in the AM Top 2000 both have a blank critics list included, with "Don't Dream It's Over" listed at #2 and "Weather With You" at #16. Is this an error? Or have the lists been left out?
When you click on Big Star's #1 Record or Radio City exactly the same picture and set of lists appears. I don't know if it's a mistake or it's intended though, as both albums are available together on one CD.
Surely "Catch a Fire" was released in 1973. But there's another two albums that don't match with the release date in Acclaimed Music (and other sources like AMG) and the official web pages:
- "Kate & Anna McGarrigle" by Kate & Anna McGarrigle was released in 1976 according to www.mcgarrigles.com/records.html
- "She's so Unusual" by Cindy Lauper was released in 1983 according to www.cyndilauper.com/albums.php
Crowded House songs: The list is APRA's Top 100 New Zealand Songs Of All Time, which can be found at http://www.sergent.com.au/apratop100.html
Big Star: The #1 Record/Radio City link is to the CD of the combined LP's at amazon. This is the best way to buy these albums so it is not a mistake.
K&A McGarrigle: I searched through the web and about half of the sources say 1975 and the rest say 1976. After a while it seemed to me as if it was released on Warner Bros in 1975 and on Hannibal in 1976 (presumably in different countries). I am not sure at all about this, but I also looked at my vinyl copy and it is in fact Warner Bros 1975. So I will stick to 1975 I think.
hi i dont know if this is an oversight but a number of Me'shell N'degeocello albums have been highly praised but i cant find any of her albums on your lists.her 2002 album "Cookie: The Anthropological Mix Tape" has a metacritic rating of 81 but does not feature in that years list.keep up the good work, henrik
it's probably because they don't feature on as many critics' lists as other albums. her albums usually do get decent notices when released, but they may not get that long-effect acclaim.
Martin Strong's The Great Discography says that Tori Amos' "Little Earthquakes" was released December 1991 in the US and January 1992 in the UK, but I did a search in Google and almost sources give 1992 as the year of release, so I should probably change this.
JR summed it up pretty well about Me'shell N'degeocello.
Milner, I think you are right, although maybe the title should even be extended to "Come on Feel the Illinoise". It's just that most other sites I've seen refer to the album as "Illinois". I thought I would do the same until I've bought the album and seen the inner sleeve etc.
Allmusic lists the title as simply ILLINOIS, as do most of the reviews I've seen, as does the spine of the CD. So I think the title should remain listed as ILLINOIS, as hilarious as "SUFJAN STEVENS INVITES YOU TO: COME ON FEEL THE ILLINOISE" may be.
Just don't try to do a track listing! "They Are Night Zombies!! They Are Neighbors!! They Have Come Back from the Dead!! Ahhhh!" is actually one of the shorter titles ... Stevens is seriously, seriously eccentric, almost as much as Devendra Banhart. Fascinating album, though.
In the 7th edition of Martin C Strong's The great rock discography. Some of the ratings for a couple of albums have gone up. And this hasn't been corrected.
'Selling England by the pound' by Genesis has gone up from 8/10 to 10/10. And the follow-up 'The lamb lies down on Broadway' has gone up from 8/10 to 9/10. Mogwai's album 'Come on die young' has gone up from 9/10 to 10/10. I'll let you know if I find any more.
The only critic who has listed "Happy Together" is Paul Morley.
I have less information about non-singles than singles, as non-singles cannot be judged from singles list (singles lists are blanked for non-singles). In other words, non-singles need fewer critics lists to reach a position in the Acclaimed Music list.
Therefore, when I included non-single songs a few months ago, I gave songs listed by only one source a small penalty to prevent non-singles with no "established" critical acclaim to enter the Acclaimed Music list.
This penalty also affected singles like "American Woman", which has only appeared on ChartAttack's lists of the best Canadian singles of all time. Although it topped both of these lists (in 1996 and 2000), it is bubbling under the AM top 2500. It should be noted that the weights for the ChartAttack lists would have been higher if some widely-acclaimed singles by Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and The Band had not been missing on the lists.
I can't seem to find anything with the Los Angeles Times Top Ten Albums 2004(concensus). Here are the top ten albums decided by the critics of this newspaper.
1. PJ HARVEY uh huh her
2. GREEN DAY american idiot
3. FRANZ FERDINAND franz ferdinand
4. KANYE WEST the colledge dropout
5. BRIAN WILSON smile
6. ARCADE FIRE funeral
7. RILO KELLY more adventurous
8. LORETTA LYNN van lear rose
9. (tie) ELLIOT SMITH from a basement to a hill
9. (tie) TOM WAITS real gone
Click on Saxophone Colossus (an album by Sonny Rollins) is resulting in info page about Things Fall Apart (by the Roots). This happens from every page where Sax Colossus is listed. Database problem maybe?
Small error: Tommy Dorsey, the bandleader who recorded "I'm Getting Sentimental Over You", is not the same person as Reverend Thomas A. Dorsey, who wrote "Take My Hand, Precious Lord" (and who, as far as I know, didn't record it until decades later).
bdang, I think you need to reload the 1-200 artists page after the new update yesterday. You probably need to delete all your temporary internet files.
Should The Beatles I Feel Fine be missing from the list of 2500 songs? Find this a strange omission as it's one of thier strongest pre Rubber Soul songs.
I guess that's a matter of taste. According to the critics "I Feel Fine" should not be included as its placings (no. 975 in Dave Marsh's top 1001 list and no. 39 in the Swedish magazine Now&Then's list of the greatest Beatles songs) are not enough. Close but no cigar.
I am not certain, but I think "One for My Baby (And One More for the Road)" by Frank Sinatra was recorded in 1958, not 1943 (I think Fred Astaire's original was in 1943). See http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE4781EDA46AC7120C99B3C4CC8B17FBF0BCC56F7833E35435ACBB47F4D89186AEF4BFADD91E8AC20F87AB0FE26BB580FD3CCA257FED66338378FEDB60045&sql=33:8uapq855oj0a
From the AMG page, there are links to boxes of "The Columbia Years 1943-52", including "One for My Baby", but I'm not sure Sinatra recorded the song as early as 1943. Anyway, all the critics who have listed the song has referred to the version from "Only the Lonely", so I'm going to change the year to 1958.
You have Alanis Morissette's name misspelled as "Morrisette."
I love the site, and check it almost every day. Very cool. I was wondering what other Beatles or solo Beatles songs and albums came close to making the list (but didn't)? I am surprised that neither "Michelle," "Here, There and Everywhere," "Blackbird," or "Here Comes the Sun" are on the list. I'm surprised "Let It Be" isn't a little higher, but that could just be because I'm used to seeing lists like Rolling Stone's Top 500, and VH1's Top 100, both of which it made the top 50. If I were to guess, I would say that other Beatles records that might make the top 3000 could be John Lennon's "Watching the Wheels," "Happy Xmas," "Love," "Mind Games," "#9 Dream," "Woman," Paul McCartney's "Band on the Run," "Mull of Kintyre," McCartney[/i], Tug of War[/i], Flaming Pie[/i], Chaos and Creation in the Backyard[/i], George Harrison's "What Is Life," "All Things Must Pass," "Give Me Love," Cloud Nine[/i], Brainwashed[/i], the Traveling Wilburys' "Handle with Care," "End of the Line," Ringo Starr's "Photograph"
Would you ever consider extending your list to 3000 or even 5000 (or is there not really enough data)? Also, would you ever consider the option of being able to not only view the top artists by country, but the top songs and albums by country. Also, I think it would be neat if you could sort the artists/songs/albums by major genre (Rock/R&B/Rap/Country/Jazz/Blues/Vocal/Electronica/etc).
The Beatles (or Beatles-related) song that is closest to the current top 2500 is "And I Love Her", but "Here There and Everywhere" and "Here Comes the Sun" could easily make the list too with just another critic listing the song. Surprisingly however, "Blackbird" and "Michelle" have not appeared in any of the critics lists I have.
Shouldn't Jay-Z be credited for "Crazy In Love"? It stands to reason that if he is credited for "Frontin'" and "Mundian To Bach Ke", he should be credited for "Crazy In Love" too.
I don't think Jay-Z is credited on the outer sleeve (he's probably somewhere though) so that's my reason. However, I realise that this may still not make sense to you.
I don't think Jay-Z is credited for "Crazy in Love" on the record's outer sleeve (there's probably a note somewhere though where he is mentioned). This is why I haven't given Jay-Z credit for "Crazy in Love", but I can understand if you have a different opinion.
But here are 2 things I found:
1> Top songs of 1982 - Michael Jackson's "Beat It" and "Billie Jean" were both released as singles in 1983...although the album they're from ("Thriller") was released in December, 1982.
2> How can any critic's list miss out Editors' debut album "The Back Room" from last year's (2005) list of best albums is beyond me...
I'm fine & I hope you have a great time in the UK with lots of music around you! Great to see you writing here in the forum.
About a year ago I switched from singles to songs and then moved the songs to the year they were first released. "Billie Jean" and "Beat It" are just two of many cases, so this is not an error.
Blur's 13 is placed at #82 on Pitchfork's best of the 90's [1999 edition] list, that list doesn't appear with the other "Best of All-time Lists, Best of Decade Lists, etc." on the 13 album page.
Since Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone" was released on her 2004 album 'Breakaway,' shouldn't it be listed as a 2004 release, rather than the year of its single release (much like you did for the singles released from Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' album)? Also, if that is the case, Britney Spears' "Toxic" was released on her 2003 album 'In the Zone,' even though the single was released in 2004. Also, you have 'Afrika Bambaataa' misspelled as 'Afrika Baambaata,' and Billboard.com lists 'Rubin Blades,' not 'Ruben Bladés.'
...also, I know that this isn't really an error, but I was surprised to see that Manfred Mann's only Top 2500 song is "Pretty Flamingo," and just barely making the list at #2484. I would have expected his, what I would call, classic version of "Blinded by the Light" to be an obvious choice for the top 2500, and also possibly "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" and their version of "Mighty Quinn (Quinn the Eskimo)." Are any of Manfred Mann's other songs (possibly some of the ones I've listed above, or any others) close to making the top 2500? Thanks again
Yes, "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" and "Mighty Quinn" are not too far away from the top 2500. Surprisingly, the only list that has "Blinded by the Light" is Rolling Stone's end of year list from 1976.
For Oasis' What's the Story (Morning Glory)? you forgot to give the album credit for being ranked 92 in the NME's 100 Greatest British Albums Ever (2006)
Public Enemy's Apocalypse '91: The Enemy Strikes Black is listed as ...Strikes Back. Their song "Welcome to the Terrordome" was released as a single in 1989.
Mike Jones' "Still Tippin'" appeared on the compilation The Day Hell Broke Loose 2 in 2004.
Gwen Stefani's "Hollaback Girl" appeared on her album Love Angel Music Baby in 2004.
Kanye West's "Through the Wire" and Twista's "Slow Jamz" were both released as 12" singles in 2003.
The original version of Panjabi MC's "Mundian to Bach Ke" was released in 1998. (The version with Jay-Z's overdubbed vocals was released in 2003, however.)
Lil' Jon & the Eastside Boyz' "Get Low" appeared on their album Kings of Crunk in 2002.
Sean Paul's "Get Busy" appeared on his album Dutty Rock in 2002.
Henrik, can you tell me, por favor, if Outkast's ATLiens is anywhere near the list. Thanks in advance!
Henrik, I hate to rain on the parade of the brilliant new update by pointing out an error, but I feel obliged to point out that the correct title of the Arctic Monkeys album is WHATEVER PEOPLE SAY I AM, THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT (not WHATEVER THEY ...).
So are the dates about year of release or year of impact? Even if "Since U Been Gone" was on a 2004 album, it was a single/hit in 2005 and appeared on 2005 best-of lists.
Art Brut's album Bang Bang Rock and Roll wasn't released in the US until May 2006. So, should the album's statistics should be transferred to the 2006 acclaimed list? By the way, the Metacritic score has changed for the album to an 82.
Is the US release more important than other releases? I definitely do not think so, and "Bang Bang Rock & Roll" will be kept in the 2005 list. Thanks for the metascore correction.
I wasn't saying that a US release was more important by any means...I was just wondering if, when it gets ranked on best of 2006 lists in US, it was going to still be considered a 2005 release.
Henrik, I just noticed that the Amazon link for PRESENTING THE FABULOUS RONETTES FEATURING VERONICA is to an entirely different anthology of early recordings by the group that doesn't contain any Spector productions at all. The original 1964 album doesn't appear to be available on CD in any form whatsoever. The best equivalent would be to have a link to the BEST OF THE RONETTES collection, which features 10 of the 12 tracks from the LP (the only ones missing are covers of "What'd I Say" and "Chapel of Love").
Two random and unnecessarily nitpicky corrections:
The Unicorns' 2003 album is listed as WHO WILL CUT YOUR HAIR WHEN WE'RE GONE?, the correct title is WHO WILL CUT OUR HAIR WHEN WE'RE GONE?. The irony emerges!
The Flaming Lips' 2002 album is listed as YOSHIMI BATTLES THE PINK ROBOT, the correct title is YOSHIMI BATTLES THE PINK ROBOTS (plural)
The Amazon link to "Presenting the Fabulous Ronettes Featuring Veronica" is not to this album. It's a pre-Phil Spector Ronettes album. As far as know, "Fabulous Ronettes" has never been released on CD. Will this album ever come out on CD?
You can find 10 of album's 12 tracks on "Best of the Ronettes."
Henrik, in looking up the cast album from HAIR, I noticed that, since HAIR and the original WEST SIDE STORY album are both credited to "the original Broadway cast", The Original Broadway Cast has been transformed into an artist and has landed at #565 on the artist list. This should probably be corrected.